Stamina Cripple PLEASE

Rataroto

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE GIVE US STAMINA CRIPPLE!

Almost everyone uses Crippling Grasp. Debilitate is rearely used (although there are users), just make it stamina morph.

Also, make the Magicka Flood passive give EITHER max magicka OR max stamina, depending on what pool is highest.

Ladislao

Something else?

casparian

Here you go

TimeDazzler

Hehe if cripple had a stamina morph all stamblades would switch their selene or blood spawn to skoria and then finally all the magicka users would understand how broken it is.

Taleof2Cities

It always baffles me when forum-goers post their new ideas on combat & character mechanics in the PTS forums ... as if the devs are going to immediately add that idea into the game.

Unless it's related to actual combat changes in the PTS natch potes, these threads should go into Combat & Character mechanics sub-forums.

Vapirko

Almost everyone? Crippling grasp is a NB only skill, so no, not everyone uses it. And even then it’s pretty much regulated to Magblades.

Voxicity

Vapirko wrote: »

Almost everyone? Crippling grasp is a NB only skill, so no, not everyone uses it. And even then it’s pretty much regulated to Magblades.

By 'everyone' he clearly meant every nightblade. No need to be picky about one's choice of wording when its kinda obvious what they meant.

The_Saint

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

Mic1007

Voxicity wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Almost everyone? Crippling grasp is a NB only skill, so no, not everyone uses it. And even then it’s pretty much regulated to Magblades.

By 'everyone' he clearly meant every nightblade. No need to be picky about one's choice of wording when its kinda obvious what they meant.

It gets better. "And even then it's pretty much regulated to Magblades."

The whole point of the thread is to fix that by adding a morph for Stamblades.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

Fine line between being to big a buff imo.

Nah magica flood giving max stam would be way to big of a buff. No need that.

They should completely remove cloak though, but that's a different topic.

Azurya

it is fine the way it is

preedb16_ESO2

StamDD is in the lead already, and you want to give them more candy?

Zorgon_The_Revenged

I don't understand why people consider the crippling grasp morph better than the debilitate morph. Same with why people thought the old malefic wrath was better than prolonged suffering.

Edziu

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

They should completely remove cloak though, but that's a different topic.

and what give instead? more buffs to resist with shields? more healing from damaging skills? teleporta like sorcs have or major mending or what? because I dont know what will be good enough for nb to stay alive without any option ti run away, change fast your place in stealth where enemy dont see you where are you moving while have almost no defense viable skills outside this

EDIT: uhh I know! more burst from just class skilsl, give us procs from skills as we cant alive to long then "be quick or be killed"!! thats it !!!

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

Edziu wrote: »

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

They should completely remove cloak though, but that's a different topic.

and what give instead? more buffs to resist with shields? more healing from damaging skills? teleporta like sorcs have or major mending or what? because I dont know what will be good enough for nb to stay alive without any option ti run away, change fast your place in stealth where enemy dont see you where are you moving while have almost no defense viable skills outside this

EDIT: uhh I know! more burst from just class skilsl, give us procs from skills as we cant alive to long then "be quick or be killed"!! thats it !!!

I'm not sure but a skill like cloak has no place in eso imo.

How about something like: Grants minor protection when equipped. Making it a "passive" skill.
Something like that.
The fact that you can get invisible, proc minor protection and major ward/resolve is ridiculous (the invisible mechanic it self is ridiculous enough by itself).

But im sure there are people with nice suggestions out there. I havnt really thought much about this because im not an active pvper anymore.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Well we've been able to become invisible in other elder scroll game eiter by potion or spell why would this one be different

No because its an mmo or pvp is not an acceptable answer!

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Well we've been able to become invisible in other elder scroll game eiter by potion or spell why would this one be different

No because its an mmo or pvp is not an acceptable answer!

Because the inherent imbalance in open world compared to the other classes is insurmountable (i think). Unless every class gets streak or something like that.

Compare stamplar to cloaking stamblade open world, for example.
What change to stamplar would you need to give to make them somewhat equal?

Edziu

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

They should completely remove cloak though, but that's a different topic.

and what give instead? more buffs to resist with shields? more healing from damaging skills? teleporta like sorcs have or major mending or what? because I dont know what will be good enough for nb to stay alive without any option ti run away, change fast your place in stealth where enemy dont see you where are you moving while have almost no defense viable skills outside this

EDIT: uhh I know! more burst from just class skilsl, give us procs from skills as we cant alive to long then "be quick or be killed"!! thats it !!!

I'm not sure but a skill like cloak has no place in eso imo.

How about something like: Grants minor protection when equipped. Making it a "passive" skill.
Something like that.
The fact that you can get invisible, proc minor protection and major ward/resolve is ridiculous (the invisible mechanic it self is ridiculous enough by itself).

But im sure there are people with nice suggestions out there. I havnt really thought much about this because im not an active pvper anymore.

fun fact: in every TES series you had atlest spell for invisibility
fun fact #2: many many other mmo's have also stealth based class with stealth and its normal, in other games it look/work better than in others

and now back to ESO
we have minor protection in 1 morph of cloak and guess what...its even non visible its working as nb is almost always on glass cannon build so minor protect cant be even noticed, you can notice change at major protection but on minor its invisible for me

for passive effect we have concealed wepon on magblades for faster moving in stealth while ability itself have pathetic low damage as melee skill in compare to other range skills and ofc isnt cheaper in use
(and maybe stop it here becasue its offtopic now)

and ofc debilitate as stamina morph will be great as really I dont know even once maglbade who will use this morph while stamblade will get addition class skill to use instead of copy paste weapon skills for everyone and while aslo agony which have its uses was changed unnecessary into pure magica skill which also is pathetic and useless for longer time

Voxicity

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Well we've been able to become invisible in other elder scroll game eiter by potion or spell why would this one be different

No because its an mmo or pvp is not an acceptable answer!

Because the inherent imbalance in open world compared to the other classes is insurmountable (i think). Unless every class gets streak or something like that.

Compare stamplar to cloaking stamblade open world, for example.
What change to stamplar would you need to give to make them somewhat equal?

I probably suck, which is most likely the reason, but I can never enter cloak with a stamplar hitting me with jabs. Anything else is fine, but a stamplar is a guaranteed death for me

killingspreeb16_ESO

Cloak is fine if anything need to be fixed to be more reliable,every time someone complain about cloak i can just think of l2p issue slot a counter and deal with it.

Joy_Division

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

I forget exactly what was the souce of this.

Can you remind me once again where ZoS has stated they want every class to be functionally equivalent to what is now a terrible PVE DPS and OP PvP format?

Derra

Joy_Division wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

I forget exactly what was the souce of this.

Can you remind me once again where ZoS has stated they want every class to be functionally equivalent to what is now a terrible PVE DPS and OP PvP format?

It was mentioned during a QA with Eric Wrobel on ESO-Live. I can´t point you to which one though.

kojou

I don't know that having a DoT rotation really fits in with the stamina Nightblade personality... I know it would be nice to have another DoT in the rotation, but most classes would love to have another DoT to apply if possible. Who doesn't want to do higher DPS?

I think Nightblade DPS should be more about debuffing, and well timed strikes. Stamina Nightblade is not suffering in the DPS department anyway and is not really in need of any additional DoT skills. If they were to receive the buff of an additional DoT it would likely come at the cost of lower DPS with another ability.

Kilandros

Joy_Division wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

I forget exactly what was the souce of this.

Can you remind me once again where ZoS has stated they want every class to be functionally equivalent to what is now a terrible PVE DPS and OP PvP format?

Wrobel said on ESO Live that tinkering with the three class skill lines to reflect the trinity (DPS, Heals, Tank) would be the paradigm moving forward.

Edziu

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't know that having a DoT rotation really fits in with the stamina Nightblade personality... I know it would be nice to have another DoT in the rotation, but most classes would love to have another DoT to apply if possible. Who doesn't want to do higher DPS?

I think Nightblade DPS should be more about debuffing, and well timed strikes. Stamina Nightblade is not suffering in the DPS department anyway and is not really in need of any additional DoT skills. If they were to receive the buff of an additional DoT it would likely come at the cost of lower DPS with another ability.

but now we just have to many dots in rotation...and this will be instead of other weapon dot but your point about other debuf is also really nice instead of other stupid dot

Saint_Bud

Buufing stamblade even more?
This must be an joke!

Minno

Kilandros wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

I forget exactly what was the souce of this.

Can you remind me once again where ZoS has stated they want every class to be functionally equivalent to what is now a terrible PVE DPS and OP PvP format?

Wrobel said on ESO Live that tinkering with the three class skill lines to reflect the trinity (DPS, Heals, Tank) would be the paradigm moving forward.

It also says it on either the combat monthly notes or a patch note for CWC.

Edit:
It was ESO Live. No thread shows any mention of class role trees.

olsborg

Rataroto wrote: »

Also, make the Magicka Flood passive give EITHER max magicka OR max stamina, depending on what pool is highest.

Yes, this should have been the case from the start.

Xvorg

Cries wrote: »

Hehe if cripple had a stamina morph all stamblades would switch their selene or blood spawn to skoria and then finally all the magicka users would understand how broken it is.

Skoria dmg on a stam build is just bad. like 0 pen

Anrose

Kilandros wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS wants to change the 3 class trees like on warden. 1 tree dd, 1 tree tank, 1 tree healer...
The change of agony to a healing skill was just the start. i dont think crippling will stay long as damage only skill :-(


summon shades could have magicka and stamina morphs imo. but then both versions needs to work 100% right (incl. cps, critratings etc)... maybe in 10 years...

I forget exactly what was the souce of this.

Can you remind me once again where ZoS has stated they want every class to be functionally equivalent to what is now a terrible PVE DPS and OP PvP format?

Wrobel said on ESO Live that tinkering with the three class skill lines to reflect the trinity (DPS, Heals, Tank) would be the paradigm moving forward.

Sigh. Hello, class homogenization. Goodbye, Any resemblance of being unique.

Xvorg

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Well we've been able to become invisible in other elder scroll game eiter by potion or spell why would this one be different

No because its an mmo or pvp is not an acceptable answer!

Because the inherent imbalance in open world compared to the other classes is insurmountable (i think). Unless every class gets streak or something like that.

Compare stamplar to cloaking stamblade open world, for example.
What change to stamplar would you need to give to make them somewhat equal?

it's a l2P issue. I wish I had a pot that bring's down a sorc shield, or give defile to any templar around.