Immovable potions shuffle and high stamina regeneration = op

Jake1576

When a nightblade runs immovables and shuffle with a high stamina regeneration it's op as hell you can't get anything to connect something should be done about this it's getting to be as big of an issue as perma blocking @ZOS_Wrobel lol

Twohothardware

I'd like to see snares/CC's rebalanced and immovable pots removed from the game entirely. There is a reason immovable pots aren't allowed in the PC dueling Tournaments. Pots should be buffs but shouldn't give you immunity to anything, especially the most core element of combat which is CC'ing your opponent.

Cinbri

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

Berenhir

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

Kalante

Berenhir wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

That already happens in ps4 na.

Ch4mpTW

Berenhir wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

You mean console PvP essentially? There are numerous times when playing in Cyrodiil that I do in fact regret us not having access to the type of add-ons that PC does. The vast majority of classes that I encounter are Nightblades by a long shot, with Templars trailing behind. I dream of the day when Nightblades are the least used class in ESO, and the vast majority of the player base doesn’t flock to it.

But then reality sets in again, and I am forced to accept that for whatever the reason, the masses love themselves assassins and rogues. It’s always been that way in gaming unfortunately. People are always so obsessive over ninjas and coward-based play styles. Ugh...

Vapirko

Twohothardware wrote: »

I'd like to see snares/CC's rebalanced and immovable pots removed from the game entirely. There is a reason immovable pots aren't allowed in the PC dueling Tournaments. Pots should be buffs but shouldn't give you immunity to anything, especially the most core element of combat which is CC'ing your opponent.

I’d agree with this, immov pots shouldn’t be necessary. Snare poisons should leave the game, cost poisons should leave, and as you say snares and ccs be adjusted so that they’re tied to particular skills and not super high damage skills. So sick of spending most of my time cc breaking, applying costly snare removal skills or moving at 30% speed. Although the removal of immov pots will prob be an unpopular idea. I’d like the combat to move towards actual combat and less of a reliance on potions/poisons and rooting people to the ground so the entire zerg can pound of them. Right now If you don’t run immov pots then you just can’t compete unless you’re in a giant zerg. If you’re 1v1 against someone who can afford stacks of immov pots and is equal or even slightly less skilled, chances are you’re dead.

Bam_Bam

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

You mean console PvP essentially? There are numerous times when playing in Cyrodiil that I do in fact regret us not having access to the type of add-ons that PC does. The vast majority of classes that I encounter are Nightblades by a long shot, with Templars trailing behind. I dream of the day when Nightblades are the least used class in ESO, and the vast majority of the player base doesn’t flock to it.

But then reality sets in again, and I am forced to accept that for whatever the reason, the masses love themselves assassins and rogues. It’s always been that way in gaming unfortunately. People are always so obsessive over ninjas and coward-based play styles. Ugh...

In that case, apart from the obvious, theres a huge difference between the popular classes on the different platforms. Sorcs (magicka), Stamplar and Stamden seem to be flavour of the month on PC. Lots of those perma block tanky DK thingys too.

Ragnarock41

my only complaint about nightblades is that how they can ignore dots completely, with the cloak spam abuse.
Other than that I believe stamblades are fine as they are and shouldn't be nerfed anymore.

If anything some other stam toons needs buffs to get close to the level of stamblades.
(sDk/sSorc mainly need buffs, direct or indirect)

ccfeeling

Tell us your class and setup .

clocksstoppe

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

my only complaint about nightblades is that how they can ignore dots completely, with the cloak spam abuse.

And this is how you make it clear you haven't even TOUCHED nb class and all your complaints about it are baseless.
(also cloak does not remove any dots)

Enslaved

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

Hurr Durr, Butt Hurr T because u cant kill everyboduy in 3 seconds with ur execute spam

Samadhi

Detection potions need to be changed back to 100% uptime,
then it will no longer be worth my while to craft immovability potions

ToRelax

Samadhi wrote: »

Detection potions need to be changed back to 100% uptime,
then it will no longer be worth my while to craft immovability potions

Thanks for the pic mage

Aisle9

YES.

Sounds like a good idea, let's do it, let's get rid of immovable pots.

How else can you stay stunlocked and permarooted otherwise... I mean.

Samadhi

ToRelax wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Detection potions need to be changed back to 100% uptime,
then it will no longer be worth my while to craft immovability potions

Thanks for the pic mage

Ew, double 16 second pot
what an icky way to burn a potion cooldown

My preference is for Detection + Spell Power + Magicka
Prefer my Immovability potions have a burst of Health attached to them, as they are usually activated in a tight scenario

since Detection is ass these days, opt for Immovable+Health+Magicka or Immovable+Health+Stamina as my main potion

possible exception would be on my Mag Sorc, due to Streak + Wards + Class Spell Power buff
but that is because it is fun to troll gankblades at that point
since Detection pots counter Cloak, but apparently can't get through Invisibility potions if the player is in Medium Armour
Sorc is definitely more flexible in those encounters, do my general hunting of stealthers on a Magblade tho

when Detection potions were basically at potion Cooldown
kept them up 100% of the time and could barely be bothered with using Immovable potions
now it is the reverse; my main potions come with Immovable buff and my once-in-a-blue-moon is the Detection potions
my Magblade does not have as much damage output when engaging without access to the non-aggressive Spell Power buff
but Immovable + Cloak gets me safely away from people with their own counter-Detection potions

Tommy_The_Gun

Jake1576 wrote: »

When a nightblade runs immovables and shuffle with a high stamina regeneration it's op as hell you can't get anything to connect something should be done about this it's getting to be as big of an issue as perma blocking @ZOS_Wrobel lol

Why NB ? All classes are annoying when running this set-up...

ToRelax

Samadhi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Detection potions need to be changed back to 100% uptime,
then it will no longer be worth my while to craft immovability potions

Thanks for the pic mage

Ew, double 16 second pot
what an icky way to burn a potion cooldown

My preference is for Detection + Spell Power + Magicka
Prefer my Immovability potions have a burst of Health attached to them, as they are usually activated in a tight scenario

since Detection is ass these days, opt for Immovable+Health+Magicka or Immovable+Health+Stamina as my main potion

possible exception would be on my Mag Sorc, due to Streak + Wards + Class Spell Power buff
but that is because it is fun to troll gankblades at that point
since Detection pots counter Cloak, but apparently can't get through Invisibility potions if the player is in Medium Armour
Sorc is definitely more flexible in those encounters, do my general hunting of stealthers on a Magblade tho

when Detection potions were basically at potion Cooldown
kept them up 100% of the time and could barely be bothered with using Immovable potions
now it is the reverse; my main potions come with Immovable buff and my once-in-a-blue-moon is the Detection potions
my Magblade does not have as much damage output when engaging without access to the non-aggressive Spell Power buff
but Immovable + Cloak gets me safely away from people with their own counter-Detection potions

I use tripots most of the time, these are only used for the detection part. The other effects preserver my stam and magicka, with the immovability making it easier to hunt down and kill the NBs within time.

Checkmath

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

This bash thing they talked about probably only works with skills, that are bashable atm, so soul assault wont be one affected by that change, but rather jesus beam, crystal blast, dark deal, dark flare, snipe, etc.

about NB's cloak, it doesnt remove dots, but damage from dots is ignored while cloaking.

Immo pots are strong, but they dont make invincible. 15 secs is a long time tough.
another issue ZOS should look at are those rooting poisons/potions, since they dont work as intended, they root also people, who should be immune to roots.
if you want to to see some poisons removed from the game, start with those rooting poisons/potions and and cost increase poisons.

Jade1986

Berenhir wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

Oh nooooo, you have to spec an in game counter again. And have spacial awareness...ya know, like was originally intended.

Jade1986

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

And without Miat's we will see world's most absurd snipe spam.

You mean console PvP essentially? There are numerous times when playing in Cyrodiil that I do in fact regret us not having access to the type of add-ons that PC does. The vast majority of classes that I encounter are Nightblades by a long shot, with Templars trailing behind. I dream of the day when Nightblades are the least used class in ESO, and the vast majority of the player base doesn’t flock to it.

But then reality sets in again, and I am forced to accept that for whatever the reason, the masses love themselves assassins and rogues. It’s always been that way in gaming unfortunately. People are always so obsessive over ninjas and coward-based play styles. Ugh...

One could argue that the person hiding behind a wall of metal and a shield is also a coward. So lets not use our bias as an argument.

kypranb14_ESO

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

my only complaint about nightblades is that how they can ignore dots completely, with the cloak spam abuse.

And this is how you make it clear you haven't even TOUCHED nb class and all your complaints about it are baseless.
(also cloak does not remove any dots)

@clocksstoppe Nightblade cloak doesn't remove DoTs anymore, but it does make you immune to DoT damage as long as you stay cloaked. I main a Magicka Nightblade. Currently around 2,000 hours played on Magblade.

TequilaFire

This nerf everything in sight is a sickness that is killing the game.

Aisle9

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

my only complaint about nightblades is that how they can ignore dots completely, with the cloak spam abuse.

And this is how you make it clear you haven't even TOUCHED nb class and all your complaints about it are baseless.
(also cloak does not remove any dots)

@clocksstoppe Nightblade cloak doesn't remove DoTs anymore, but it does make you immune to DoT damage as long as you stay cloaked. I main a Magicka Nightblade. Currently around 2,000 hours played on Magblade.

In fairness other people will see a bunch of [MISS], [MISS] on top of your head, which kinda makes it easier to follow, so...

idk

Jake1576 wrote: »

When a nightblade runs immovables and shuffle with a high stamina regeneration it's op as hell you can't get anything to connect something should be done about this it's getting to be as big of an issue as perma blocking @ZOS_Wrobel lol

When he is running a high stam regen he is also reducing his damage. Shuffle only has a 15% chance to proc so it is hardly the issue. My guess is you are not explaining the entire story. Something is missing.

The_Brosteen

Can't believe it hasn't been said yet,

L2p

ak_pvp

Cinbri wrote: »

Immovable pots should be nerfed for next update coz new mechanic of uninterruptable cast time and channels. Otherwise everyone pop it up and spam channels for 15 sec without any problems, like Soul Assault.

I'm going to guess sarcasm, because of the amount of soul assaults you have pumped into my body in BGs.

method__01

Twohothardware wrote: »

I'd like to see snares/CC's rebalanced and immovable pots removed from the game entirely. There is a reason immovable pots aren't allowed in the PC dueling Tournaments. Pots should be buffs but shouldn't give you immunity to anything, especially the most core element of combat which is CC'ing your opponent.

^^^this
certain groups take a resource,go up in tower,stairs,have tank up front and oil on top,rest of them are spamming Imv potions like for ever and when eye of shame charges go down killing every pug who doesnt know the trick

Vaoh

I just use trash pots like Essence of Magicka or Essence of Stamina in PvP and still do fantastic in 1vX.....

Personally, I see these very powerful potions as a way to buff the rich in this game. Those pots are pricey and even moreso if you burn them every 45sec as a PvE DPS.

I hope that one day you will be able to craft 16 potions with a single craft opportunity (like poisons are handled). Only then will powerful pots be available to everyone at all times without being a huge strain on gold. Yes it would hurt those who farm/sell mats but.... the game would definitely be much more enjoyable and it’d help lots of people who want to improve in PvE.

VaranisArano

ZOS already nerfed the nightblade with shuffle+immovable+stam regen. Now, the nightblade has to be wearing medium armor. So if you can ever land a hit on them, they'll be squishy.

So maybe, you need to chase them long enough for immoveable or shuffle to wear off? If you tag them a couple of times, they aren't hard to keep track of so you can run them down. You don't have to kill every enemy in the first couple of seconds. Or, you can figure that anyone who's invested that much into running away probably isn't worth your time and go on about your objective. That way, you win by doing what you wanted to and they lose because no one wants to play their "let me run away from you until I'm where I want to fight and then I'll fight but totally run away again if I'm losing" game if you ignore them.

I have a low tolerance for dealing with the running-hiding-come-and-get-me players, but I choose to deal with them by ignoring them and capturing the objective instead.

Wing

but shuffle requires 5 pieces of medium to use and it was my understanding that the forums opinion of medium armor was its the trashiest armor in the game and needs dire buffs?

or is this just another instance of something killed me so its op?

or is this just another instance of someone thinking something is op?