End game PvE content

Liofa

I think most of those who commented here are missing the point of OP . All you get for doing end-game trials is gear and plunders for some gold . That's actually all . What do I actually get for being at the top of leaderboard ? Absolutely nothing . OP said that he didn't do most of the end-game content but that is not the point . OP wants to get some actual rewards for getting high scores . Knowing that he won't be getting anything solid and naturally wonders why . End-game content is all fun and all , especially with a good group that can get things done easily without getting cancer through wipes , but that's it . You can literally do HM of a trial , which is relatively easy for most vet trials and that's more than enough to stay in weekly reward . Doesn't matter how many times you wiped , died or how long it took . Worst and the best scores get the same reward , a legendary item with some Transmute Crystals .

Point is , don't you think there should be a reward for being in , let's say , top 10 in a leaderboard ? PvP leaderboards have it . They actually do get better rewards for being in top 2% , I think it was 5 legendary items ? Not sure , never been that high . Anyway , hope I could explain properly .

Nifty2g

Liofa wrote: »

I think most of those who commented here are missing the point of OP . All you get for doing end-game trials is gear and plunders for some gold . That's actually all . What do I actually get for being at the top of leaderboard ? Absolutely nothing . OP said that he didn't do most of the end-game content but that is not the point . OP wants to get some actual rewards for getting high scores . Knowing that he won't be getting anything solid and naturally wonders why . End-game content is all fun and all , especially with a good group that can get things done easily without getting cancer through wipes , but that's it . You can literally do HM of a trial , which is relatively easy for most vet trials and that's more than enough to stay in weekly reward . Doesn't matter how many times you wiped , died or how long it took . Worst and the best scores get the same reward , a legendary item with some Transmute Crystals .

Point is , don't you think there should be a reward for being in , let's say , top 10 in a leaderboard ? PvP leaderboards have it . They actually do get better rewards for being in top 2% , I think it was 5 legendary items ? Not sure , never been that high . Anyway , hope I could explain properly .

@Liofa Most PvE players who are getting #1 scores have almost every piece of gear they need

I see this suggestion a lot that there is no reward etc, what exactly do you want them to reward you with?

Liofa

Nifty2g wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

I think most of those who commented here are missing the point of OP . All you get for doing end-game trials is gear and plunders for some gold . That's actually all . What do I actually get for being at the top of leaderboard ? Absolutely nothing . OP said that he didn't do most of the end-game content but that is not the point . OP wants to get some actual rewards for getting high scores . Knowing that he won't be getting anything solid and naturally wonders why . End-game content is all fun and all , especially with a good group that can get things done easily without getting cancer through wipes , but that's it . You can literally do HM of a trial , which is relatively easy for most vet trials and that's more than enough to stay in weekly reward . Doesn't matter how many times you wiped , died or how long it took . Worst and the best scores get the same reward , a legendary item with some Transmute Crystals .

Point is , don't you think there should be a reward for being in , let's say , top 10 in a leaderboard ? PvP leaderboards have it . They actually do get better rewards for being in top 2% , I think it was 5 legendary items ? Not sure , never been that high . Anyway , hope I could explain properly .

@Liofa Most PvE players who are getting #1 scores have almost every piece of gear they need

I see this suggestion a lot that there is no reward etc, what exactly do you want them to reward you with?

@Nifty2g

Yeah , I know . No one in end-game guilds are doing trials for gear . But gear is actually all you get for doing the trial besides plunder . I mean , don't we all loot the last boss chest in case we get a decent weapon for ours or teammates' alts ? But I can do this in normal mode , finish the trial a lot more times and get the same weapon which makes completing a veteran HM trial more pointless . vAS HM changed this a lot by giving Perfected weapons but again , still nothing to do with Leaderboards . Can wipe and wipe and wipe , complete after 7 hours . Still get the same reward of those who complete it in 15-20 minutes .

Something similar to PvP leaderboards would be very nice to be honest . First 3 groups get 5 legendary items instead of 1 maybe ? Or some alchemy stuff ? Potions ? Upgrade materials ? I don't know really , something proper . My point is , let's say I am holding the 3rd place in weekly . I will get the same reward with the last placed group in leaderboards . Isn't that kinda unfair ?

code65536

Liofa wrote: »

Yeah , I know . No one in end-game guilds are doing trials for gear . But gear is actually all you get for doing the trial besides plunder . I mean , don't we all loot the last boss chest in case we get a decent weapon for ours or teammates' alts ? But I can do this in normal mode , finish the trial a lot more times and get the same weapon which makes completing a veteran HM trial more pointless . vAS HM changed this a lot by giving Perfected weapons but again , still nothing to do with Leaderboards . Can wipe and wipe and wipe , complete after 7 hours . Still get the same reward of those who complete it in 15-20 minutes .

Something similar to PvP leaderboards would be very nice to be honest . First 3 groups get 5 legendary items instead of 1 maybe ? Or some alchemy stuff ? Potions ? Upgrade materials ? I don't know really , something proper . My point is , let's say I am holding the 3rd place in weekly . I will get the same reward with the last placed group in leaderboards . Isn't that kinda unfair ?

Polymorph that's worth millions. Low drop chance means that you need to farm for it, which rewards groups that can clear consistently and quickly.

Wifeaggro13

Stinkyremy wrote: »

We are seriously lacking in end game PvE content.
I'm at a point where all I have to do now is trials for gear to do vet trials for titles.
Other than rolling a new toon and questing.....again. Or doing PvP I feel there is nothing to do end game.

Any thoughts

its because they abondoned end game as a design inlate 2015. now they throw aout a dungeon dlc over charge and dumb it down in increments . 95 percent of the content released in last two years is simply leveling content with out any new levels or emerging character development. this game is in milk mode before it even had time to gestate into a great MMO. now they have to lie about numbers and hope the churn does not burn out

DoctorESO

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rustic_potato

True endgame in ESO is PVP. You can rinse repeat all the content and get scores in trials but at the end of the day there is no progression.

I have chased the PVE leaderboards and got burnt out. The fights are static and unless someone is totally brain dead they will master the fights in 3-4 clears, then the entire trial becomes a boring snoozefest. I did PVE raiding only because of the group I ran with, more of a social event than a progressive content based event.

I do wish we have more of a progressive gear based system but can only dream.

Alcast

Define Endgame

For some its...

... Skins & Achievements
... Top Leaderboards
... Housing
... Fishing
... Roleplaying
... 3600 CP

If you are not able to define YOUR end game but you let others tell you what "endgame" is you will never feel satisfied. Only because Trials and Leaderboards are the most difficult thing to do it does not mean that it has to be your "endgame" experience.

drkfrontiers

I don't know how its possible to say there is no end game content.

For me, content is all around me. Literally dailies in every zone - Thieves Guild. Dark Brotherhood. Adventuring. Crafting. Quests. Delves. Dungeons. BG / Cyrodiil. DLCs

Personally speaking I think that folks get into a narrow focus of only a small aspect of the game, e.g grinding Dolmens, and over time develop a sense of the game being smaller. But how often do they go forth and actually enjoy all that's to offer.

I have 8x toons nearing CP180, and I have still only done Khenarthi's Roost, Auridon, & parts of Grahtwood & the DB/ TG starter cities.

Each zone I am in I follow the quests, and when I'm done there I then adventure throughout the zone for all the achievements.

Aisle9

So, there's this theory floating about, that you play the game to overcome a challenge, so the reward is completing the game/content itself.

In the case of a trial, completing the trial is it's own reward, not the plunder for money, not the weapons, not the loot, just getting the kill. You farm the thing to get the weapons/armor to get more efficient at it, and to clear higher difficulties, but, in the end, yeah, that's pretty much it.

I can see why this is not very enticing for people that completed the thing over and over in every possible mode, but... yeah.

All devs can do is keep releasing content, but that comes with another couple issues:

1) Content has to be tested, therefore top tier players will be asked to run it on the PTS, which will severely hurt the enjoyment of completing it later on when it releases.

2) Increasing the CP cap every major patch will eventually make that content trivial for top tier players, even though it will be more accessible for casual players.

3) Changing (nerfing/buffing) armor sets will lead to having to farm the thing again and again, so in the end it will become even more trivial and boring, making every replay value nonexistent.

But there is endgame content, there's plenty of endgame in the game. The endgame is to End the Game (Beat the Game), an MMO is a sandbox, there's no single game to beat, but there are a lot of activities.

Then there's PvP, which is an entire different game, with ever changing mechanics, as you're playing against human opponents, and not scripted events.

But at it's core, you play the game to overcome a challenge, if that challenge is not hard, or is not hard anymore (because you've done it over and over again), the game is not fun. End of story.

On a possibly related note, if you complete said challenge with friends, it's more fun. We are social creatures (even the socially awkward), so teamwork has some rewards.

The most fun I had in years of playing the game was doing the 2 new dungeons with friends for the first time (just bought the DLC). Didn't know the mechanics, whole new content, we went in, had a blast, got a bunch of achievements, some good loot, some bad loot, and spent an afternoon. Now we're planning for hard mode, no death, speed challenge, etc.

This, in time, will get trivial, because in the end, you do it for the challenge of doing it. If there is no challenge, the game has no meaning.

xeNNNNN

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Fishing

Not gonna lie this is really good for someone who has nothing to do. Really.


Just find some fishing holes, sit back put some chill relaxing music on and just fish.

I was fishing last week and I spent the entire time contemplating my entire week, it was a good fishing spree

Its really not bad! and perfect roe sells quite well so you know you can make money in the process which is always good xD

Drazkyth

Endgame content consists of skin and title hunting and then waving your epeen around when you get those. Usually by standing in the middle of Belkarth with a very revealing costume on so everyone can "admire" your skin.

DPShiro

Izaki wrote: »

"WE DON'T HAVE ENOUH END GAME CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

*Hasn't done any end game content yet*

This^^

Milvan

Stinkyremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Have you cleared all the vet trials? The next step is vet trial hard modes, with the hardest being vAS+2. Also you can try for some unique achievements in trials, like Fang Focused or Void Avoided in vMoL. After completing all of that your main option is refining strategy and practicing to compete for leaderboard scores.

No not done trials HM yet. I don't have a trials guild either I have just pug grouped for trials.
I actually still have vDSA to do as well.

You didn't complete half of end game content than, and you are calling that there is no end-game in ESO?



ESO PVE end-game is not that rich, but there is a really good amount of things to do.

Stinkyremy

LiquidPony wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Have you cleared all the vet trials? The next step is vet trial hard modes, with the hardest being vAS+2. Also you can try for some unique achievements in trials, like Fang Focused or Void Avoided in vMoL. After completing all of that your main option is refining strategy and practicing to compete for leaderboard scores.

No not done trials HM yet. I don't have a trials guild either I have just pug grouped for trials.
I actually still have vDSA to do as well.

So ...

You haven't done vDSA. You haven't done any HM Trials. Presumably you have not done vMoL or vHoF, either. You don't have no-death/speedrun/miscellaneous Trials achievements. You don't do PvP. How about Flawless Conqueror? What about no-death speedruns in all of the DLC vet dungeons?

I don't understand this post at all. You say that the game is "lacking in end game content" but it sounds like you haven't done the vast majority of the end game content we do have.

Allthis "end game content" you are talking about is just for in game achievements.
Pointless crap.
I don't play games on steam for steam achievements, why would I play ESO for achievements. They are just a list to mark off content you have done.
Endgame is a hunt for gear, once you have all the gear then what is one to do. Achievements are not content.
Ok I could go on a mission, find a guild and do the trials, just to do HM at the end, which rewards me with gear I already have...Is that what you call content?

Stinkyremy

Nifty2g wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

We are seriously lacking in end game PvE content.
I'm at a point where all I have to do now is trials for gear to do vet trials for titles.
Other than rolling a new toon and questing.....again. Or doing PvP I feel there is nothing to do end game.

Any thoughts

End game usually is trials
But end game content lacking, I can't tell if you are serious?

At a point after Sanctum there was a gap where there was no content at all for a year -- that was terrible times where most players ended up leaving because of stale gameplay.

As for end game content;
Leaderboard Based Content: Sanctum, AA, HRC, VMOL, HOF, Asylum, DSA, Maelstrom Arena
Dungeons: 24 base dungeons + Veteran and Normal versions, 7 DLC based dungeons

Going for titles in the dungeons and trials are pretty time consuming also, with the addition of No Death + Hardmode achievements which is very nice

Not to mention all DLC zones I will count as end game as they have came out a while after launch and keep coming out
DLC: Thieves Guild, Wrothgar, Dark Brotherhood, Clockwork City, Morrowind

I don't know how you can say there is no end game content compared to that year we had nothing new added, from everything I added there is well over countless hours of gameplay and they are ahead of the content now so by the time you are almost done another comes out.

I have done all the DLC. I have leveled every skill and morph, got all the gear I need, 690 cp can just run through every zone, every dungeon ect.
Doing vet trials, for gear, to do vet trials is not what I call content.
Vet trials is not enough. We need actual challenging overland stuff, and endgame rewards.

Stinkyremy

Liofa wrote: »

I think most of those who commented here are missing the point of OP . All you get for doing end-game trials is gear and plunders for some gold . That's actually all . What do I actually get for being at the top of leaderboard ? Absolutely nothing . OP said that he didn't do most of the end-game content but that is not the point . OP wants to get some actual rewards for getting high scores . Knowing that he won't be getting anything solid and naturally wonders why . End-game content is all fun and all , especially with a good group that can get things done easily without getting cancer through wipes , but that's it . You can literally do HM of a trial , which is relatively easy for most vet trials and that's more than enough to stay in weekly reward . Doesn't matter how many times you wiped , died or how long it took . Worst and the best scores get the same reward , a legendary item with some Transmute Crystals .

Point is , don't you think there should be a reward for being in , let's say , top 10 in a leaderboard ? PvP leaderboards have it . They actually do get better rewards for being in top 2% , I think it was 5 legendary items ? Not sure , never been that high . Anyway , hope I could explain properly .

I have done all the endgame content except vDSA
Others in the thread are saying I haven't done endgame content, telling me to do vet trial HM.
So I do vet trail HM, which is just the last boss being harder, and my rewards are TWO gold jewellery instead of one and an in game achievement/title/cosmetic skin
Is that really what is classed as content!
maybe I should just write a "you are a winner" on a raw text file and sell it as a AAA video game

Stinkyremy

Alcast wrote: »

Define Endgame

For some its...

... Skins & Achievements
... Top Leaderboards
... Housing
... Fishing
... Roleplaying
... 3600 CP

If you are not able to define YOUR end game but you let others tell you what "endgame" is you will never feel satisfied. Only because Trials and Leaderboards are the most difficult thing to do it does not mean that it has to be your "endgame" experience.

I think endgame content should be very hard overland zones, quests, dungeons, trials ect that can only be done, can only be started! when you reach max level. Even if that includes increasing the CP requirement to start the content every update.
As it is now, I could start a new account and run halls of fabrication HM at level 1. (not likely that I would be able to complete the trial though)
So how is vet trial HM actually endgame content!?

ereboz

As a pve player I have struggled with this as well. I've been here since first beta and it can get dull like any mmo. Don't listen to anyone saying PvP is the real endgame cause that's BS. The endgame right now is pretty cosmetic with furniture collecting and house decorating, achievements, or creating new characters/builds. Transmog will add to this, but I agree we need something like a pve currency system similar to alliance points, tel var stones or key fragments like PvP has.

Stinkyremy

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't know how its possible to say there is no end game content.

For me, content is all around me. Literally dailies in every zone - Thieves Guild. Dark Brotherhood. Adventuring. Crafting. Quests. Delves. Dungeons. BG / Cyrodiil. DLCs

Personally speaking I think that folks get into a narrow focus of only a small aspect of the game, e.g grinding Dolmens, and over time develop a sense of the game being smaller. But how often do they go forth and actually enjoy all that's to offer.

I have 8x toons nearing CP180, and I have still only done Khenarthi's Roost, Auridon, & parts of Grahtwood & the DB/ TG starter cities.

Each zone I am in I follow the quests, and when I'm done there I then adventure throughout the zone for all the achievements.

Yeah, but you have to understand, I am cp690, I only have 5 fully leveled alts atm, but on my main, I have done al content
You know when you go to a zone and you see black quest markers everywhere, offeing content. I don't see a single one in any area, I have done every quest. I have every skyshard, every location is white, meaning I have done it. I am tamriel hero, every base game, cyrodiil and dlc quest completed.
In game achievements is all there is for me to do. Unless of course I want t just do repeatable quests for the sake of having something to do.
Atm all I do with my main is pledges for the ingame achievements and occasionally trials when I can find a vet trial pug group.
there is nothing else for me to do in PvE.

Aisle9

Stinkyremy wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't know how its possible to say there is no end game content.

For me, content is all around me. Literally dailies in every zone - Thieves Guild. Dark Brotherhood. Adventuring. Crafting. Quests. Delves. Dungeons. BG / Cyrodiil. DLCs

Personally speaking I think that folks get into a narrow focus of only a small aspect of the game, e.g grinding Dolmens, and over time develop a sense of the game being smaller. But how often do they go forth and actually enjoy all that's to offer.

I have 8x toons nearing CP180, and I have still only done Khenarthi's Roost, Auridon, & parts of Grahtwood & the DB/ TG starter cities.

Each zone I am in I follow the quests, and when I'm done there I then adventure throughout the zone for all the achievements.

Yeah, but you have to understand, I am cp690, I only have 5 fully leveled alts atm, but on my main, I have done al content
You know when you go to a zone and you see black quest markers everywhere, offeing content. I don't see a single one in any area, I have done every quest. I have every skyshard, every location is white, meaning I have done it. I am tamriel hero, every base game, cyrodiil and dlc quest completed.
In game achievements is all there is for me to do. Unless of course I want t just do repeatable quests for the sake of having something to do.
Atm all I do with my main is pledges for the ingame achievements and occasionally trials when I can find a vet trial pug group.
there is nothing else for me to do in PvE.

Do vDSA. It's really fun.

I hope they'll release more small group arenas in the future, or even duo with separate mechanics each player has to beat.

Stinkyremy

Aisle9 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't know how its possible to say there is no end game content.

For me, content is all around me. Literally dailies in every zone - Thieves Guild. Dark Brotherhood. Adventuring. Crafting. Quests. Delves. Dungeons. BG / Cyrodiil. DLCs

Personally speaking I think that folks get into a narrow focus of only a small aspect of the game, e.g grinding Dolmens, and over time develop a sense of the game being smaller. But how often do they go forth and actually enjoy all that's to offer.

I have 8x toons nearing CP180, and I have still only done Khenarthi's Roost, Auridon, & parts of Grahtwood & the DB/ TG starter cities.

Each zone I am in I follow the quests, and when I'm done there I then adventure throughout the zone for all the achievements.

Yeah, but you have to understand, I am cp690, I only have 5 fully leveled alts atm, but on my main, I have done al content
You know when you go to a zone and you see black quest markers everywhere, offeing content. I don't see a single one in any area, I have done every quest. I have every skyshard, every location is white, meaning I have done it. I am tamriel hero, every base game, cyrodiil and dlc quest completed.
In game achievements is all there is for me to do. Unless of course I want t just do repeatable quests for the sake of having something to do.
Atm all I do with my main is pledges for the ingame achievements and occasionally trials when I can find a vet trial pug group.
there is nothing else for me to do in PvE.

Do vDSA. It's really fun.

I hope they'll release more small group arenas in the future, or even duo with separate mechanics each player has to beat.

Finding people to do vDSA with is the hard part.

Aisle9

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't know how its possible to say there is no end game content.

For me, content is all around me. Literally dailies in every zone - Thieves Guild. Dark Brotherhood. Adventuring. Crafting. Quests. Delves. Dungeons. BG / Cyrodiil. DLCs

Personally speaking I think that folks get into a narrow focus of only a small aspect of the game, e.g grinding Dolmens, and over time develop a sense of the game being smaller. But how often do they go forth and actually enjoy all that's to offer.

I have 8x toons nearing CP180, and I have still only done Khenarthi's Roost, Auridon, & parts of Grahtwood & the DB/ TG starter cities.

Each zone I am in I follow the quests, and when I'm done there I then adventure throughout the zone for all the achievements.

Yeah, but you have to understand, I am cp690, I only have 5 fully leveled alts atm, but on my main, I have done al content
You know when you go to a zone and you see black quest markers everywhere, offeing content. I don't see a single one in any area, I have done every quest. I have every skyshard, every location is white, meaning I have done it. I am tamriel hero, every base game, cyrodiil and dlc quest completed.
In game achievements is all there is for me to do. Unless of course I want t just do repeatable quests for the sake of having something to do.
Atm all I do with my main is pledges for the ingame achievements and occasionally trials when I can find a vet trial pug group.
there is nothing else for me to do in PvE.

Do vDSA. It's really fun.

I hope they'll release more small group arenas in the future, or even duo with separate mechanics each player has to beat.

Finding people to do vDSA with is the hard part.

Join a guild, be social, problem solved.

DoctorESO

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Wifeaggro13

DoctorESO wrote: »

What

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

We are seriously lacking in end game PvE content.
I'm at a point where all I have to do now is trials for gear to do vet trials for titles.
Other than rolling a new toon and questing.....again. Or doing PvP I feel there is nothing to do end game.

Any thoughts

its because they abondoned end game as a design inlate 2015. now they throw aout a dungeon dlc over charge and dumb it down in increments . 95 percent of the content released in last two years is simply leveling content with out any new levels or emerging character development. this game is in milk mode before it even had time to gestate into a great MMO. now they have to lie about numbers and hope the churn does not burn out

What numbers are being lied about?

their player base.

ThinkerOfThings

Extend the RPG aspect: Daily Quest Hubs w/ Tangible Changes

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So one of the things that I would love to see improved is immersion. Don't get me wrong, it takes great strides and the developers have made a lot of effort to make every map feel like the Elder Scrolls Universe. However, especially with the new DLC, players can blow right through the content, making some of the characters and events feel more like set dressing than people in a universe.

To improve upon this, I would love to see content that is "locked" behind dailies or other content. Events like coming to a town and spending a couple of weeks worth of dailies, helping them rebuild after a Daedric attack. Someone needs to gather new wood, or iron and donate it to the town. Getting to help choose which shops become available to them by helping certain shop keepers collect wares, would be amazing. Taking a burned down wreck of a town and helping it rebuild would make players feel more invested in the quests they are doing for the town. Correct me if I am wrong, but during the course of Wrothgar, the city had visible changes as you progressed, why not expand on that.

Once a certain goal had been reached, say helping rebuild a portion of the town, a new quest driver appears, letting players in on the next part of the main story for the zone, while perhaps a new set of other quests, such as helping someone find their lost cat that has run off due to all the construction, only to find that it has run into a cave filled with draugher. Then on to another series of dailies, perhaps preparing fortifications for the town in advance of another attack, while helping rebuild the rest of the town.

Series quests like this, that are locked behind a spread of daily quests, would help the players become more invested with the areas that they inhabit and make it less possible to burn through content so quick. Ultimately this would lead players to feel that they are apart of the world and that the choices they make have tangible results.

What are your thoughts?

Saturn

Stinkyremy wrote: »

We are seriously lacking in end game PvE content.
I'm at a point where all I have to do now is trials for gear to do vet trials for titles.
Other than rolling a new toon and questing.....again. Or doing PvP I feel there is nothing to do end game.

Any thoughts

I think PvE Endgame lacks a proper incentive to play it as well, since there's no gear grind, or most of the gear you use can be crafted or grinded from normal dungeons. There's very little trial gear that's actually hard to get, and that's mostly just jewellery and weapons, but you can still get that on normal. The biggest problem I have with PvE endgame is that in nearly four years, they have only released 6 trials. It wasn't so bad when SO and Maw took quite a long time for anyone to beat, but HoF and Asylum were cleared immediately, and completely differ from mainly mechanics focus to a larger focus on players doing a marathon against 50mill+ hp bosses (vet Asylum boss has 100milly...). So not only are there not that much actual endgame, the quality of said endgame is also decreasing with every addition. At this point the next trial will have one boss with a billion health... It's kind of stupid. Personally I think they should look back at what made Maw challenging, and try to replicate that. They should also try and focus on four man content again, like what they did with vDSA.

I would say PvP is the real endgame, but honestly PvP is a whole 'nother mess that I don't even want to get into.

Kind of mindboggling that the two main endgame aspects of ESO aren't really that developed, but that's what comes when the audience that is catered to are the casual players. Just know, as soon as you get serious about ESO, ZOS stops caring about you.

If I didn't happen to find the best guild I've ever been a part of in an MMO, then I would never have played this game more than 6 months, but even replaying tired old content with people whose company I enjoy also gets dull after a while.