Miats: Zeni can I have new skills please!!!

Undefwun

red_emu wrote: »

I don't get what the problem is? Lately in no-CP I haven't seen a single nightblade fail a stealth attack? If you are a nightblade and are unable to kill someone out of stealth, you're not playing it right. L2P

Took resource. Saw some one guy approach on mount. Stam build guessing by the 2H on his back.
Started charging up inferno heavy in stealth. Even with detect pot I woulda been outta range to be seen.
Stopped dead in his tracks and dodge rolled every one of my attacks after with such equal precision. It was so perfect he coulda choreographed and danced for the Russian national ballet. Took my toys and left.

See another guy in trouble, so approach enemy from the back. Not stealthed. But while fighting the other guy, enemy dodge rolled 5 LA/SS weaves. Perfectly. It’s the perfect equal timing of the dodge rolls that makes you go, hmmm.

A few ppl do it, ok cool. Respect to the good players. When a lot of potatoes start being amazing at it you know it’s not legit.

Knootewoot

Jade1986 wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4725907/#Comment_4725907

Let's wait and see.

Thanks for the link

Fingers crossed for the right outcome.....

I cant wait to taste the tears of people who relied on miats xD.

Depends on the outcome. We all know how @Zos "fixes" things. Ask my shade i can't teleport to if there is no LOS.

Azurya

red_emu wrote: »

I don't get what the problem is? Lately in no-CP I haven't seen a single nightblade fail a stealth attack? If you are a nightblade and are unable to kill someone out of stealth, you're not playing it right. L2P

the fact that you haven´t seen a ganker lately is due to the fact that on account from this addon, there are not much of us around anymore!
And yes I can kill you out offf stealth, easy, but only if you are not using Miats, otherwise you are miles away before I land the first attack.
It would be easy for ZOS to give NB and others their abilities again, if they take out the chanelling time, not only for snipe, but for all skills in PvP

red_emu

Azurya wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I don't get what the problem is? Lately in no-CP I haven't seen a single nightblade fail a stealth attack? If you are a nightblade and are unable to kill someone out of stealth, you're not playing it right. L2P

the fact that you haven´t seen a ganker lately is due to the fact that on account from this addon, there are not much of us around anymore!
And yes I can kill you out offf stealth, easy, but only if you are not using Miats, otherwise you are miles away before I land the first attack.
It would be easy for ZOS to give NB and others their abilities again, if they take out the chanelling time, not only for snipe, but for all skills in PvP

I never said I don't see gankers anymore. In fact they are still plentiful. What I meant is that I am yet to see a ganker fail in their attempts despite seeing another player clearly using Miats. StamNB's burst is so insane it wouldn't matter if the enemy had an add-on that autoblocks and autododges and whatever. If you are not in 5pc Heavy, you are dead when NB strikes (with lots of help from lag since all I see on my death recap is 5 long wind up abilities despite dying in 0.2 - 1.0 seconds). I don;t mean to be salty. I really couldn't care less about getting killed in PvP, but I don't think ZoS should make Nightblades a play to win class for the sake of a few players who use an add-on instead of sound and visual ques.

Loc2262

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Consoles: no addons at all.
Zenimax could just remove all add ons? Seems a little unfair that 2 player bases cant use them. (Thrn they should fix the character sheet to relay ALL stats, not just a handful)

The day addons are removed from the PC version is the day I instantly quit this game. The client is simply lacking too much functionality and quality-of-life without them.

Mannix1958

Undefwun wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I don't get what the problem is? Lately in no-CP I haven't seen a single nightblade fail a stealth attack? If you are a nightblade and are unable to kill someone out of stealth, you're not playing it right. L2P

Took resource. Saw some one guy approach on mount. Stam build guessing by the 2H on his back.
Started charging up inferno heavy in stealth. Even with detect pot I woulda been outta range to be seen.
Stopped dead in his tracks and dodge rolled every one of my attacks after with such equal precision. It was so perfect he coulda choreographed and danced for the Russian national ballet. Took my toys and left.

See another guy in trouble, so approach enemy from the back. Not stealthed. But while fighting the other guy, enemy dodge rolled 5 LA/SS weaves. Perfectly. It’s the perfect equal timing of the dodge rolls that makes you go, hmmm.

A few ppl do it, ok cool. Respect to the good players. When a lot of potatoes start being amazing at it you know it’s not legit.

Or you're just not as good as you think...a lot of people say things to make excuses

Jade1986

Zer0oo wrote: »

Just wait till they remove it and enjoy all the QQ on the forum about instant kill build from stealth without any counter-play.

Only people getting insta killed are ppl

• Not running impen
• Not speccing to counter stealth
• Who have not equipped any heals
• Who are not using any potions
• Who are using white gear

In all of those cases, it is their own fault.

Jade1986

rustic_potato wrote: »

Yes lets ZOS ban Miat's so that these type of addons can remain in the private circles where they are meant to be. Miat's going public was a shame. NB salty tears best tears.

They already said they are changing the API to disallow combat queues , so ANY addon that does it, will not work anymore.

Undefwun

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Or you're just not as good as you think...a lot of people say things to make excuses

I’ll nip that right in the bud. I’m not good, pretty bad really. I’m the first to say all of my problems are l2p on my behalf. Except the server lag and Aussie latency.

I’m not talking about losing or dying to someone and oh no they are cheating.
It’s pixels I’ll be ok.

I’m not talking about good players. While they fight you they’re dodging but you can see it’s natural. Their timing is not always perfect and varies.

Im talking about the obvious users of this add on. Purely the way they are stopping mid ride. No reason for it other that that I started a HA in stealth. They way the timing on their role dodges is so perfect every time, cos that key gets jammed the split second the warning is on their screen, regardless where the attack is coming from. Those muppets.

I’ve caught a couple at closer range that dodged everything earlier (where I can fear etc) and I won. That proves how bad they really are cos I am still well into potato territory myself.

Undefwun

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Or you're just not as good as you think...a lot of people say things to make excuses

I’ll nip that right in the bud. I’m not good, pretty bad really. I’m the first to say all of my problems are l2p on my behalf. Except the server lag and Aussie latency.

I’m not talking about losing or dying to someone and oh no they are cheating.
It’s pixels I’ll be ok.

I’m not talking about good players. While they fight you they’re dodging but you can see it’s natural. Their timing is not always perfect and varies.

Im talking about the obvious users of this add on. Purely the way they are stopping mid ride. No reason for it other that that I started a HA in stealth. They way the timing on their role dodges is so perfect every time, cos that key gets jammed the split second the warning is on their screen, regardless where the attack is coming from. Those muppets.

I’ve caught a couple at closer range that dodged everything earlier (where I can fear etc) and I won. That proves how bad they really are cos I am still well into potato territory myself.

Edit. Also got whooped more often cos while they use the addon they are still better in general

Mannix1958

Undefwun wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Or you're just not as good as you think...a lot of people say things to make excuses

I’ll nip that right in the bud. I’m not good, pretty bad really. I’m the first to say all of my problems are l2p on my behalf. Except the server lag and Aussie latency.

I’m not talking about losing or dying to someone and oh no they are cheating.
It’s pixels I’ll be ok.

I’m not talking about good players. While they fight you they’re dodging but you can see it’s natural. Their timing is not always perfect and varies.

Im talking about the obvious users of this add on. Purely the way they are stopping mid ride. No reason for it other that that I started a HA in stealth. They way the timing on their role dodges is so perfect every time, cos that key gets jammed the split second the warning is on their screen, regardless where the attack is coming from. Those muppets.

I’ve caught a couple at closer range that dodged everything earlier (where I can fear etc) and I won. That proves how bad they really are cos I am still well into potato territory myself.

Edit. Also got whooped more often cos while they use the addon they are still better in general

Well I tired and dumped Miat's long ago...on top of that I'm not very good so no hard feelings will be had should you gank my sorry butt in the war effort sometime.

Drachenfier

One the one hand, I think Miat's is cheesy. Then again, I also think stealth gankers are cheesy. So, ultimately, I don't really care.

BroanBeast1215

Miat's is not helping people find you in stealth lol

Gallowmere

Ill repeat what i said on the last thread.
Its so funny to see those who defend Miats claim they don't use it/use any borderline-cheats that it offers.

Anyway, cant wait to see what ZOS will do.
If anything i hope that after they fix the API exploits they ain't gonna lock/edit threads that make fun of/name & shame those who used Miats & fail hard without it.

badmojo

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Jade1986

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Not gonna harass, just gonna enjoy being able to play the game again without a third party addon holding peoples hand.

A_G_G_R_O

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Don’t worry these players will still get farmed the same as before , then they will begin blaming cheat engine and macros instead of finding the common denominator of their failings at pvp.

ezeepeezee

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Don’t worry these players will still get farmed the same as before , then they will begin blaming cheat engine and macros instead of finding the common denominator of their failings at pvp.

I gotta disagree man. Yes, there are plenty of people who are average at best at the game but self aggrandize and believe that they lose to cheaters and the like.

I am not one of those people. I am a good player, but I freely admit that I'm not the best. That said, I have been playing for around 3 years and I know what's going on by now.

When a solid 95% of my attacks get dodged if they are preceded by a medium/heavy attack, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that there is a serious problem with this addon.

It needs to go.

Dorrino

Setting aside the usual 'you got no skill, no you got no skill' banter, i think i'm going to agree with the OP message.

For many people nightblades only 'work' from stealth or with a heavy reliance on stealth.

I do think the whole class would benefit from shifting its balance to out-of-stealth survival.

Especially considering how unreliable cloak is in pvp.

Just 'fixing' the cloak (even though obviously it's not going to happen until its rebalance) is not enough imo.

FearlessOne_2014

Milvan wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Let's be honest If Miat is a issue so is Raid Notifier.

Miats impacts on other players without their consent.

Raid notifier is a choice but doesn't directly impact on the enjoyment of other players. It probably impacts on leader boards if you are into that.

Structurally speaking the game iself gives you several hints about mechanics , either PVP ou PVE. Both referred add ons not only highlighs these mechanics but also antecipate them, so the players using these add ons have great advantage against his foe, either PVP or PVE.

Another aspect of both Miat's and Raid Notifier is the advantage of users over non-users. Since PVP and PVE have both passive competitive aspects like leaderboards, players that use the add-on have a clearly advantage over players not using them.

Of course, Miat's draws much more attention than Raid Notifier because Rhakkat and other trial bosses can't have forum accounts and having advantage over any other player sounds much more like a issue than have a advantage over AI. Tho structurally speaking they are pretty much the same.

The real question is are they intented to exist? Did ZOS allowed them to exist on purpose or it was just a flaw that became a feature? Since they have been around for quite a while I think they are now a feature and I don't think ZOS will ever remove them.

Just like Animation Canceling, it was a flaw in the API that ZOS more then likely gave up on fixing. Thus they basically gave up and just named it a feature. Maits and AC both was never things intended for this game and you can tell. However because ZOS couldn't put the resources required to fix them both.

Well you either abuse them both with the rest. Or you'll get snarky L2P or L2UA(Learn to use addons) scrub speeches from others. So that brings this whole thing to it conclusion. You just either have adapt or die(quit).

Maits is a prefect reason why other MMO teams make sure to do their own UIs. And not allow players to customize it with out of game assets. But since ZOS decided to leave most of the UI development to the playbase and other modders. This is what you get.

Also believe me. Miat's addon is actually pretty tamed to some of the not so public ones running rampant in the game. Those are the ones that can detect stealth and what not.Not miat's, so don't confuse the known with the unknown.

Jade1986

ezeepeezee wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Don’t worry these players will still get farmed the same as before , then they will begin blaming cheat engine and macros instead of finding the common denominator of their failings at pvp.

I gotta disagree man. Yes, there are plenty of people who are average at best at the game but self aggrandize and believe that they lose to cheaters and the like.

I am not one of those people. I am a good player, but I freely admit that I'm not the best. That said, I have been playing for around 3 years and I know what's going on by now.

When a solid 95% of my attacks get dodged if they are preceded by a medium/heavy attack, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that there is a serious problem with this addon.

It needs to go.

This is the case for me too. Not the best, but def above average, and it is beyond vexxing when someone who has no spacial awareness gets a get out of jail free card because of a third party add on.

Jade1986

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Let's be honest If Miat is a issue so is Raid Notifier.

Miats impacts on other players without their consent.

Raid notifier is a choice but doesn't directly impact on the enjoyment of other players. It probably impacts on leader boards if you are into that.

Structurally speaking the game iself gives you several hints about mechanics , either PVP ou PVE. Both referred add ons not only highlighs these mechanics but also antecipate them, so the players using these add ons have great advantage against his foe, either PVP or PVE.

Another aspect of both Miat's and Raid Notifier is the advantage of users over non-users. Since PVP and PVE have both passive competitive aspects like leaderboards, players that use the add-on have a clearly advantage over players not using them.

Of course, Miat's draws much more attention than Raid Notifier because Rhakkat and other trial bosses can't have forum accounts and having advantage over any other player sounds much more like a issue than have a advantage over AI. Tho structurally speaking they are pretty much the same.

The real question is are they intented to exist? Did ZOS allowed them to exist on purpose or it was just a flaw that became a feature? Since they have been around for quite a while I think they are now a feature and I don't think ZOS will ever remove them.

Just like Animation Canceling, it was a flaw in the API that ZOS more then likely gave up on fixing. Thus they basically gave up and just named it a feature. Maits and AC both was never things intended for this game and you can tell. However because ZOS couldn't put the resources required to fix them both.

Well you either abuse them both with the rest. Or you'll get snarky L2P or L2UA(Learn to use addons) scrub speeches from others. So that brings this whole thing to it conclusion. You just either have adapt or die(quit).

Maits is a prefect reason why other MMO teams make sure to do their own UIs. And not allow players to customize it with out of game assets. But since ZOS decided to leave most of the UI development to the playbase and other modders. This is what you get.

Also believe me. Miat's addon is actually pretty tamed to some of the not so public ones running rampant in the game. Those are the ones that can detect stealth and what not.Not miat's, so don't confuse the known with the unknown.

They have already stated there will be changes to the api next update that will render the notifications void.

martinhpb16_ESO

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

Its not "just" a video game. Its also something that players invest real money and their time into. The game also involves a huge amount of social interaction for those that want it.

For the devs its a million dollar business.

If it was just a video game people probably wouldn't play it consistently for multiple years.

ManDraKE

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Just like Animation Canceling, it was a flaw in the API that ZOS more then likely gave up on fixing. Thus they basically gave up and just named it a feature.

That moment when you try to talk about technical stuff and you don't have the slightest clue about what an API is LOL. Not to mention the blatant ignorance about the combat system.

Hempyre

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Ya,... It doesn't do that at all...

The op has no clue.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/363016/so-miats-pvp-addon-can-detect-stealth-players-even-when-they-are-in-stealth-state

Ya, I've read it sport. Along with the hundred other threads just like it.

It does the same thing as six other addons...

Zos has already looked at and changed the api to ensure this addon, and the others like it, comply with the rules. It does none of the things that continue to pop up in these threads.

But please do continue to fabricate the endless, amazing features of this particular one.

I wonder if it'll make my fly in the next thread.

Azurya

badmojo wrote: »

These radical anti-miats people sure are petty. Planning ahead of time to harass and publicly shame other players for using an addon they didnt like.

Its just a videogame.

well many ask for nerfs to things they got killed by.
and they get them.
99% of all nerfs and downgrades we experienced ever since one tamriel are on behalf of those players who don´t get it that they die in PvP

that are the real petty ones!

we are just asking for some changes due to an addon that makes it senseless to use your abilities! that is all!

Zer0oo

Jade1986 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Just wait till they remove it and enjoy all the QQ on the forum about instant kill build from stealth without any counter-play.

Only people getting insta killed are ppl

• Not running impen
• Not speccing to counter stealth
• Who have not equipped any heals
• Who are not using any potions
• Who are using white gear

In all of those cases, it is their own fault.

Keep telling yourself that but if they remove this addon the first thing i gonna do is play an instant kill build. But not sure what class: mag templer, mag nb, mag sorc, asylum bow build (still have not tested it but should work) or just a normal boring stam nb. (Dk would also work it is just that one of the buffs needed pulls you out of stealth).


@Jade1986
Also if you are so confident leave your ingame @name and platform here and you should give everyone who manage to gank you 20k gold.

Morgul667

Please ban it and get it over with

Jade1986

Zer0oo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Just wait till they remove it and enjoy all the QQ on the forum about instant kill build from stealth without any counter-play.

Only people getting insta killed are ppl

• Not running impen
• Not speccing to counter stealth
• Who have not equipped any heals
• Who are not using any potions
• Who are using white gear

In all of those cases, it is their own fault.

Keep telling yourself that but if they remove this addon the first thing i gonna do is play an instant kill build. But not sure what class: mag templer, mag nb, mag sorc, asylum bow build (still have not tested it but should work) or just a normal boring stam nb. (Dk would also work it is just that one of the buffs needed pulls you out of stealth).


@Jade1986
Also if you are so confident leave your ingame @name and platform here and you should give everyone who manage to gank you 20k gold.

That is my @ name . And I avoid cyro like the plague atm because I cant port 1 time without a 10 minute loading screen, and since I play an archer warden, I got tired of people with 0 spacial awareness using miats. And its not a matter of if. They already said next update.

FearlessOne_2014

ManDraKE wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Just like Animation Canceling, it was a flaw in the API that ZOS more then likely gave up on fixing. Thus they basically gave up and just named it a feature.

That moment when you try to talk about technical stuff and you don't have the slightest clue about what an API is LOL. Not to mention the blatant ignorance about the combat system.

Ok whatever you say bro. I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone who is trying to pick a fight by trying to twist the meaning of my post. Not only that but to say I have no clue about the combat system when my youtube videos clearly shows that I do. LEL brah brah brah. I'll leave this one for you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg

GLHF @ManDraKE