Who is the strongest player controlled hero in the Elder Scrolls series?

LapisLazuli99

Comment with what legendary achievements make them the strongest?

MAEK

The champion of Cyrodiil easily wins this. At least if you go with the whole "became Sheogorath" thing

LapisLazuli99

MAEK wrote: »

The champion of Cyrodiil easily wins this. At least if you go with the whole "became Sheogorath" thing

That's a really good point and it's definitely important to consider all options befalling that hero.

imredneckson

I can't vote I haven't played most of the TES games.

LapisLazuli99

imredneckson wrote: »

I can't vote I haven't played most of the TES games.

Honesty Is better than pretending to know so good on you

Kiara

Champion of Cyrodiil for me. This dude mantled Pelinal AND became Sheogorath. He also fought and won with Jyggalag, who is believed to be the strongest daedric prince out there. You can't beat being Daedric Prince!

ArchMikem

The Vestige is pretty much unkillable.

Integral1900

The dragon borne killed a god after all, pretty much unaided

Ratzkifal

It's an unfair fight. From what I know the Dragonborn is the first main character in the series where there is no doubt that he/she is actually the chosen one from the prophecy.
The Champion of Cyrodiil is probably stronger if he became Sheogorath, but who knows how strong all these dragon souls made Dovahkin eventually (so let's not speculate any further and focus on permant powers / accomplishments in the game). And as a side note, you kill Mannimarco in that game, which is something the Vestige tried and failed, despite all effort.
The Vestige is kind of unkillable, yes, but that doesn't make him/her strong. At least not as strong as someone who can shout you to death. I like to think that the Vestige is the strongest of the Undaunted, but then it kind of stops there.
The Nerevarine might have eternal life, so infinite training time, but again, no speculation. Other than that, kind of ordinary as well, but probably the best politician among them.
Don't know the first two that well.

So my ranking would be
1Dragonborn, 2Champion of Cyrodiil, 3Nerevarine, 4Vestige and wherever the other two fit in.

Please tell me why I am wrong, because I don't want Dovahkin to win ^^

Kiara

@Ratzkifal Well it's hinted in Skyrim that Sheogorath is CoC so I assume it happened as default, so if we speak about raw power of character it has to be CoC in the first place. Unless we consider Dragonborn being an aspect of Talos soul then simply he is the strongest...

Kaktus

Alright, so the Agent of Daggerfall was in the right places at the right times, that's about it.

The Nerevarine is immortal in the sense that he can keep coming back, plus he killed two (weakened) gods, destroyed a work-in-progress god, and beat up ol' Hircine for good measure too. I like to think he went to Akavir and personally prevented further invasions of Tamriel (hence his disappearance)

The Champion of Cyrodiil, in the main quest, was again right place at the right time, but he seemed mostly support. It's the whole Sheogorath thing that elevated him.

The Dragonborn, honestly I don't know as much about but from what I've seen he's probably up there with the most powerful beings on Tamriel what with the whole dragon souls and shouting magic.

Finally, the Vestige is immortal and unkillable as a daedra, but power wise is rather weak. Remember that it takes up to twelve vestiges to kill beings that the Dragonborn (or possibly the Nerevarine) could likely take on solo.

Honestly for me it's a close race between Dragonborn and Nerevarine

LapisLazuli99

Lot of God killing in the comments. Correct me if I'm wrong but CoC is the only hero who's caught a true God? Everyone else caught false gods,weakened God's or aspects of gods? Even Alduin wasn't as tough as he could have been if I remember.

Also isn't uncle Sheo the strongest Prince?
Hence the whole reason he exists.

GimpyPorcupine

Nerevarine, because of ES3 potion stacking. Make a fortify intelligence potion, drink it, repeat until your intelligence is buffed to 10K and then make levitate and fortify strength potions. Fly across the map at light speed, one-shot anything with a chitin throwing star.

Runs

The Nerevarine.

Levitation
Permanent enchants thanks to Golden Saints, including but not limited to invisibility.

GimpyPorcupine

Runs wrote: »

The Nerevarine.

Levitation
Permanent enchants thanks to Golden Saints, including but not limited to invisibility.

And let's not forget that Daedric Dai Katana with an Absorb Health enchant.

And I preferred Chameleon or Sanctuary enchantments.

Ley

The Nerevarine. Create potion to increase intelligence, drink potion, create new potion to increase intelligence, drink potion, repeat for 1 hour... Create strength potion. Kill anything in 1 punch.

LapisLazuli99

As far as abusing crafting mechanics goes those tricks are in quite a few games and should likely be ignored.

ArchMikem

Kaktus wrote: »

Finally, the Vestige is immortal and unkillable as a daedra, but power wise is rather weak. Remember that it takes up to twelve vestiges to kill beings that the Dragonborn (or possibly the Nerevarine) could likely take on solo.

The reference to 12-Man Trials isn't quite a canon example of the Vestige's potential. Remember in a multitude of Quests that deal with dangers and conflicts in battlegrounds, it always seems either like a standstill or an impending loss...until the Vestige shows up and singlehandedly sorts the whole thing out in a swift overwhelming victory. There are even NPCs who straight mention how astonished they are at how easily the Vestige handled the situation, and we're never given any actual physical or emotional ques that these acts are seriously trying and stressing on the Vestige.

Frankly the dialogue options are really straight forward and stoic. "Oh there's evil Daedra invading the city, slaughtering innocent people in droves, and you want me to brave the fight, close their portals, and slay their masters to save the city and stop the bloodshed all by myself? Sure, just point me to the portals and I'll get to it."

I haven't played Morrowind and only a small fraction of Oblivion, so I don't know how those two Heroes were like, but the Dragonborn I remember is pretty much exactly like this. However the one major difference is, the Dragonborn has a single life and is still very Mortal regardless of their power with the Thuum. The Vestige on the other hand, practically cannot die.

Something to do with our Soul being untethered from the Mundus after the whole Coldharbour thing?

MythicEmperor

The Nerevarine. Given the mechanics of Morrowind, you can almost become infinitely powerful. Skyrim and Oblivion are far too tame when it comes to magical effects.

LapisLazuli99

I'm enjoying this topic because even when people disagree you all back up your opinions with well thought out points =D

Kiara

Game specific mechanic should not be included in my opinion, because in the same way I could say that Dragonborn mechanically is best because he is not fighting like clumsy Nerevarine who needs to strike cliffracer 15 times to hit it once. So I suggest we stick to story-wise content ^.^

MythicEmperor

Kiara wrote: »

Game specific mechanic should not be included in my opinion, because in the same way I could say that Dragonborn mechanically is best because he is not fighting like clumsy Nerevarine who needs to strike cliffracer 15 times to hit it once. So I suggest we stick to story-wise content ^.^

That’s only in the beginning. Later you can cast a 1 point levitation spell on cliff racers to make em’ drop.

Bryanonymous

I think becoming a Daedric prince in number 4 tops the list.

Kiara

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Kiara wrote: »

Game specific mechanic should not be included in my opinion, because in the same way I could say that Dragonborn mechanically is best because he is not fighting like clumsy Nerevarine who needs to strike cliffracer 15 times to hit it once. So I suggest we stick to story-wise content ^.^

That’s only in the beginning. Later you can cast a 1 point levitation spell on cliff racers to make em’ drop.

Oh yeah, Nerevarine can do sick stuff end-game, but there is no real explanation (story-wise) why you can levitate in Morrowind while in Oblivion/Skyrim you can't (and other stuff of course, like mystery of disappearance of spears)

WuffyCerulei

Gosh I'm really torn between the Vestige and Dragonborn. It's more just what happens in the lore and stuff. I mean the Dragonborn can shout dragon stuff, kills pretty much the son of an Aedra, and could become the top of many groups anf factions. The Vestige thwarts several daedric princes, can freely port between a few planes of Oblivion, kicked the God of Brulatity's butt, can become a gosh darn high ranking military member, fight celestial beings, and just so much. And from the looks of it, the Vestige's soul (if you reclaim it) isn't really bound to any faction, daedra, or anything after death, so the Vestige can do stuff more freely with less consequences.

Darkhorse1975

Ley wrote: »

The Nerevarine. Create potion to increase intelligence, drink potion, create new potion to increase intelligence, drink potion, repeat for 1 hour... Create strength potion. Kill anything in 1 punch.

If you replace the word "potion" for "beer" you get...

Elsonso

Kaktus wrote: »

Alright, so the Agent of Daggerfall was in the right places at the right times, that's about it.

That can pretty much be said about them all. All of the protagonists in the series are diamonds in the rough. Were it not for the events that made them a hero, they would have probably led unremarkable lives and died in obscurity. The Vestige probably did, before becoming the Vestige.

In pairing them up, I think both the Dovahkiin and the Vestige could take out the others. Power creep in Elder Scrolls is real and there are even ESO bosses that could probably defeat heroes in this poll.

Between Dovahkiin and Vestige, I would say that each could take out the other. It would come down to skill, timing, and luck.

Izaki

One thing we know for sure: the Vestige is by far the weakest of them all. Its like the Dragonborn is the final boss at the end of a raid and the Vestige is the critter that crawls at the entrance of that same raid.

Izaki

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Gosh I'm really torn between the Vestige and Dragonborn. It's more just what happens in the lore and stuff. I mean the Dragonborn can shout dragon stuff, kills pretty much the son of an Aedra, and could become the top of many groups anf factions. The Vestige thwarts several daedric princes, can freely port between a few planes of Oblivion, kicked the God of Brulatity's butt, can become a gosh darn high ranking military member, fight celestial beings, and just so much. And from the looks of it, the Vestige's soul (if you reclaim it) isn't really bound to any faction, daedra, or anything after death, so the Vestige can do stuff more freely with less consequences.

One thing you're missing here: the Vestige doesn't do any of that alone. And he never actually "thwarted" any Daedric princes. The only reason he ever got even the slightest chance in his fight against Molag Bal was the blessing he received from Stendar (or Akatosh can't remember which one). The Dragonborn takes out a living God literally single handed without any help from the Aedra. To defeat a celestial or Rakkhat or close down the Halls of Fabrication, it takes 12 Vestiges who have help from a priest or a genius sorcerer. To defeat Alduin or Miraak or Harkon it took 1 Dragonborn.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I'm going with the Champion of Cyrodiil, because of all the heroes listed he or she is the ONLY one who sticks around afterwards to continue shaping events, at least that we can see. (It's admittedly early to tell for the Last Dragonborn since we don't know what happened to them after Skyrim.) Half the ones listed have taken down at least one Daedric Prince or other god-like entity, and while it's true the Vestige has taken down more than usual, how much of that is due to personal power and how much of that is due to opportunity? For example, we don't know if the Last Dragonborn could have taken on Hircine like the Nerevarine did because Hircine never sticks around to fight. Neither of them got a chance to fight the Celestial Serpent because he never manifested on Nirn during their time. Etc.

Tabbycat

I would have to say the Nerevarine. As others have mentioned, the mechanics of Morrowind just made it so easy to make a ridiculously powerful character.