did you read all those 3 pages of her post, which I shared in my OP?
there is enough details for you, you would understand that it was in no way her fault
Shardan4968 wrote: »People can say that it's all her fault because they know better, but it isn't normal that developer does absolutely nothing about it and allows the hacker to steal even more things like all gold from guild banks, like she claimed. If Zenimax can't check where someone was hacked and all they have to say is one time gold compensation, then they really look poorly when you compare them to Blizzard, which gives player every information on how/when/where she/he was hacked and gives all stuff back. I can't believe that these series of hacked accounts in Czech Republic was in fact some Czech gang trying to duplicate all their items.
Agreed , the zos brown nosing and victim shaming is just disgusting in this thread. Zos has the worst customer service I have ever seen in over twenty years of gaming. Downright abysmal.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »People can say that it's all her fault because they know better, but it isn't normal that developer does absolutely nothing about it and allows the hacker to steal even more things like all gold from guild banks, like she claimed. If Zenimax can't check where someone was hacked and all they have to say is one time gold compensation, then they really look poorly when you compare them to Blizzard, which gives player every information on how/when/where she/he was hacked and gives all stuff back. I can't believe that these series of hacked accounts in Czech Republic was in fact some Czech gang trying to duplicate all their items.
Agreed , the zos brown nosing and victim shaming is just disgusting in this thread. Zos has the worst customer service I have ever seen in over twenty years of gaming. Downright abysmal.
I see you've not dealt with Sony then. That aside, ZoS are truly awful in my personal experience. So much so, I left the game for a year due to their inability to sort the whole crowns and subbing issue on Xbox. I eventually got a 6 month full refund from MS, but it was no thanks to ZoS.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »People can say that it's all her fault because they know better, but it isn't normal that developer does absolutely nothing about it and allows the hacker to steal even more things like all gold from guild banks, like she claimed. If Zenimax can't check where someone was hacked and all they have to say is one time gold compensation, then they really look poorly when you compare them to Blizzard, which gives player every information on how/when/where she/he was hacked and gives all stuff back. I can't believe that these series of hacked accounts in Czech Republic was in fact some Czech gang trying to duplicate all their items.
Agreed , the zos brown nosing and victim shaming is just disgusting in this thread. Zos has the worst customer service I have ever seen in over twenty years of gaming. Downright abysmal.
I see you've not dealt with Sony then. That aside, ZoS are truly awful in my personal experience. So much so, I left the game for a year due to their inability to sort the whole crowns and subbing issue on Xbox. I eventually got a 6 month full refund from MS, but it was no thanks to ZoS.
KochDerDamonen wrote: »When I had a security hiccup a couple years ago, I had to go at support three times before I got anything restored. They continued to claim that they couldn't restore anything other than the mats and gold, even though I know full well you can prod them hard enough to undo an accidental enchantment/deconstruction of an item.
Lazy lazy, firings should occur if they have enough people to do these things. If they truly don't have enough time to properly respond to every support claim, or their higher ups are telling them to ignore us or improperly training them, then well... shame on ZOS? Fire ZOS, that's it!
And yes, they do know from where each login occurs. If they were spending anymore time on a response than the time it took to type it, it should be obvious what was done from what computer.
It wasn't through the Blizzard account that they pilfered the key, it was through the email. When someone hacks your email, they don't alert you to it immediately. They just quietly read your email for years. I finally discovered that it had been hacked over a year previously when I noticed recent accesses from foreign countries and traced it back to the original date someone that wasn't me tried to use it. Since I grabbed the game online from a vendor, the CD key was in the email. I trashed the email immediately but that wasn't soon enough to stop them getting it. Many months of gaming later they used it to nab the account repeatedly and after years of dealing with it, Blizzard finally nipped the account and wouldn't return it. It's only at this point that they disclosed WHY the account kept reverting to gold farmers and I checked my email security to see that lo and behold they had been in my system for over a year. I regularly change my email passwords and use a 14-digit nonsense key as trained to do by corporate. Changing passwords to your email doesn't work if they've linked it to one of their other accounts so I had to remove the phone number and instant messaging they added to the account, they can log in using alternate means just like Facebook. Honestly, if these things were plastered on the front page instead of hidden behind seven clicks of account page options it would have been easier to detect.Fun-fact: on the account-page of blizzard, you can only see the digital codes you used. Actual hard-copy cdkeys arent stored there. And hate to say it bud, but not using an authenticator (since a few years even on your phone) is the most stupid thing you can do and I hope ESO gets one soon too.
This is kind of where you lose me, Alt.according to this guildie of mine
This is kind of where you lose me, Alt.according to this guildie of mine
I wouldn't even trust my best friend to admit the truth that he was at fault in a situation like this. I don't doubt that ESO isn't flawless when it comes to security... heck, anything on the internet that isn't in constant password change and substantial security is at some risk... but I also wouldn't trust a guildie, especially one hacked multiple times, to be totally innocent in their protection measures either. After the first time they should've tanked up.
I think the best situation is what everyone's suggesting in future prevention measures. Even if they get frustrated with the losses and dump ESO itself, it's worth exercising with future games from here on out. Pleading as 'a friend of that guy' to the community managers and forum people isn't really going to change what needs to be done by that guy himself...
Hm, how transparent though? I'd be kinda pissed at anyone official who jumps on here and then starts shouting my business just because my friends are talking about it and want to know details. (You know who you are. Not that I don't love you, kiddos, but you know I'd cut you ) Considering the hacker broke Terms of Service they're probably not around anymore... Even so, that doesn't really keep them form coming back if your friend is an easy target. Getting a ban isn't going to do much for someone persistent if they're profiting every time.but in the same time, ZOS should take a fair and transparent approach and return everything what was stolen and ban the hacker.
Best way to not get hacked. Use an email address that you don't use for ANYTHING else for game login and a DIFFERENT password than your email account. Most of the times players get "hacked" is because they use the same email address to log into the game as they do for normal email (and probably have the SAME password). With all the data breaches reported in 2017 (Hotmail, Yahoo, Uber, Equifax, etc.) anyone with that info already has the usernames and passwords associated with those accounts. If it happens to be your login, guess what? You just got "hacked".
All my game logins are a private email address and each game has it's own password. For those games that use 2FA, I also use that. I have around 6 digital authenticators installed on my cell phone. Only having a secure password is not enough to secure your account. All it takes is a breach to a company that you also have an account with, and your chances of getting "hacked" goes up. Viruses and Malware are a close second for causes of accounts getting compromised.
Best way to not get hacked. Use an email address that you don't use for ANYTHING else for game login and a DIFFERENT password than your email account. Most of the times players get "hacked" is because they use the same email address to log into the game as they do for normal email (and probably have the SAME password). With all the data breaches reported in 2017 (Hotmail, Yahoo, Uber, Equifax, etc.) anyone with that info already has the usernames and passwords associated with those accounts. If it happens to be your login, guess what? You just got "hacked".
All my game logins are a private email address and each game has it's own password. For those games that use 2FA, I also use that. I have around 6 digital authenticators installed on my cell phone. Only having a secure password is not enough to secure your account. All it takes is a breach to a company that you also have an account with, and your chances of getting "hacked" goes up. Viruses and Malware are a close second for causes of accounts getting compromised.
While those are all good points, the most common basis for hacks to occur are generally thought to be shared use of the computer, sharing of account details with friends, housemates and guildmates, and the downloading of mods/addons and other third party software - not to mention the obvious one of visiting dubious websites or downloading "adult" videos from such sites, as well as entering into RMT transactions with criminals.
As for the subject case, neither those who defend the affected account-holder (who is not the OP, remember) nor those who defend ZOS have the slightest idea what happened in this and other similar cases.We are advised that the account-holder suffered multiple hacks to the account, but without knowing the precise circumstances we are in no position to judge either the account-holder for their security measures or ZOS for their alleged response.
but in the same time, ZOS should take a fair and transparent approach and return everything what was stolen and ban the hacker.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »People can say that it's all her fault because they know better, but it isn't normal that developer does absolutely nothing about it and allows the hacker to steal even more things like all gold from guild banks, like she claimed. If Zenimax can't check where someone was hacked and all they have to say is one time gold compensation, then they really look poorly when you compare them to Blizzard, which gives player every information on how/when/where she/he was hacked and gives all stuff back. I can't believe that these series of hacked accounts in Czech Republic was in fact some Czech gang trying to duplicate all their items.
Agreed , the zos brown nosing and victim shaming is just disgusting in this thread. Zos has the worst customer service I have ever seen in over twenty years of gaming. Downright abysmal.
I see you've not dealt with Sony then. That aside, ZoS are truly awful in my personal experience. So much so, I left the game for a year due to their inability to sort the whole crowns and subbing issue on Xbox. I eventually got a 6 month full refund from MS, but it was no thanks to ZoS.
I did, a long time ago, didnt have much issue. I lost 200 gems recently in the crown store because of a glitch and zos told me tough *** pretty much.
eso.exe has various ways to id you that browsers does not. MAC is is one, production numbers on CPU, hard drive and motherboard is another. You also have other stuff like windows serial number. Eso can also generate an random number on install, this is stored with one way encryption on your computer and in the eso database.WildWilbur wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »Unlike WoW, ESO has built in account protection requiring a code for logging into a new IP. Unlike WoW, ESO has FAR less players and revenue. It would be nice if they did more, but its on the person hacked to show why exactly their email was able to he accessed for a code sent to them, no?
Actually, no! As i already stated in another thread a few months ago I'm playing from Germany with my desktop PC. When I am on vacation in the Netherlands (1-2 times a year in different flats) I can log in to my account and play with my Notebook without any account-protection-email. So it IS possible to access a account from a different IP. And I doubt that I am the only one.
I think that only logging to eso account on the eso webpage, when you log in from a different IP address, then it sends an e-mail to your e-mail address with a code to verify if it was you. but not if you just log in to the game
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »People can say that it's all her fault because they know better, but it isn't normal that developer does absolutely nothing about it and allows the hacker to steal even more things like all gold from guild banks, like she claimed. If Zenimax can't check where someone was hacked and all they have to say is one time gold compensation, then they really look poorly when you compare them to Blizzard, which gives player every information on how/when/where she/he was hacked and gives all stuff back. I can't believe that these series of hacked accounts in Czech Republic was in fact some Czech gang trying to duplicate all their items.
Agreed , the zos brown nosing and victim shaming is just disgusting in this thread. Zos has the worst customer service I have ever seen in over twenty years of gaming. Downright abysmal.
I see you've not dealt with Sony then. That aside, ZoS are truly awful in my personal experience. So much so, I left the game for a year due to their inability to sort the whole crowns and subbing issue on Xbox. I eventually got a 6 month full refund from MS, but it was no thanks to ZoS.
I did, a long time ago, didnt have much issue. I lost 200 gems recently in the crown store because of a glitch and zos told me tough *** pretty much.
Best way to not get hacked. Use an email address that you don't use for ANYTHING else for game login and a DIFFERENT password than your email account. Most of the times players get "hacked" is because they use the same email address to log into the game as they do for normal email (and probably have the SAME password). With all the data breaches reported in 2017 (Hotmail, Yahoo, Uber, Equifax, etc.) anyone with that info already has the usernames and passwords associated with those accounts. If it happens to be your login, guess what? You just got "hacked".
All my game logins are a private email address and each game has it's own password. For those games that use 2FA, I also use that. I have around 6 digital authenticators installed on my cell phone. Only having a secure password is not enough to secure your account. All it takes is a breach to a company that you also have an account with, and your chances of getting "hacked" goes up. Viruses and Malware are a close second for causes of accounts getting compromised.
While those are all good points, the most common basis for hacks to occur are generally thought to be shared use of the computer, sharing of account details with friends, housemates and guildmates, and the downloading of mods/addons and other third party software - not to mention the obvious one of visiting dubious websites or downloading "adult" videos from such sites, as well as entering into RMT transactions with criminals.
As for the subject case, neither those who defend the affected account-holder (who is not the OP, remember) nor those who defend ZOS have the slightest idea what happened in this and other similar cases.We are advised that the account-holder suffered multiple hacks to the account, but without knowing the precise circumstances we are in no position to judge either the account-holder for their security measures or ZOS for their alleged response.
I have to agree with you
I again lost my accout just now:D good timing
I change mail / id / passwords everywhere so how is this possible
Can ZOS do something?
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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_BillE
I'm really glad that altemriel addressed this issue. My account has been hacked and exploited (including botting software) to the point my account was permabanned by devs. After weeks of fighting with Zenimax support they restored my account, but almost everything was gone. I changed passwords and other things immediately. And while I proved to them that my account was hacked (with providing many details like IP etc.) they considered it as "second chance" for my account and I was never cleared of charges. I am very very glad that I got my account back, but I didn't receive any kind of goodwill or something and felt treated like a second category person. They didn't even say if they investigate the case of hackers (I was in one guild made for hacked acccounts I believe since all my guilds were gone, I prpvided support details about this guild, weird mails on my account, different people on my friends list etc.). I am happy above everything else that I can still play the game, but support contact left bad taste in my mouth and I don't know if people who did this were punished and I am still in fear if I will be banned forever for anything right now. The point is that I agree with OP that ZOS should really do something do improve their hacked accounts/restoration politics immediately. I am really sorry for your friend, I know how horrific this situation can be and I hope everything ends well. Also, merry christmas to all of you.