Don't blame the Healer...

Its_Alexis

zaria wrote: »

Its_Alexis wrote: »

Off topic, what is this Leroy Jenkins thing about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0

Wow, that was hilarious. Now I perfectly understood that reference.

Dabulousness

I feel like I get judged for poor healing when I'm with a bad group, but I genuinely do sit and scratch my head when I see people standing in stupid and not even attempting to self-heal. There are only so many BoL's I'll spam before I decide to let you die so you hopefully learn your lesson. It's especially bad when I do more DPS than a DD.

I recently missed a bunch of pledges so decided to set myself as a tank for them. WGT was on the list. Not only was I holding aggro, I was healing more than the healer and had a higher damage output than the DDs, neither of which knew the mechanics. Thankfully on normal I can BoL through the inhibitor's blue flames if I manage my magicka exceptionally well (with prior damage, shielding and healing).

So don't worry too much about your healing if you're in the right - just vote to kick and if that fails, move on, as sad as it is.

Merlin13KAGL

Ackwalan wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

When tanking and a mob gets loose, it is so frustrating to see whomever it is chasing, run away from the group and group AOE's. Just die already, so the tank and healer doesn't waste resources.

If I had 10g for each time I've had to say "Bring the mob to me."

Grobul, anyone?

Sru

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

When I get targeted as DPS: "Alright, I'll just continue standing here, no point running."
When average PUG DPS gets targeted: "OH GOD RUN RUN RUN"

Or they shuffle backwards - neither avoiding the blows nor sitting in AoE's. Worse of both worlds. And then they shuffle happily out of cone heals meaning you need to point one specifically at them wasting time and resources.

Love being a healer ...

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I know, I know. This has been posted a bunch of times. But it is always the first thing that comes to mind for me when I see these threads. For those who haven’t seen it, enjoy.
https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

Cherryblossom

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Was just in a run with a group that left me with a very bad feeling, so bad that I actually just left the group, than suffer abuse from some DD with illusions of grandeur.

Repeatedly runs ahead of the group without any forethought as to what he may find in the next room.

Each time, he agro's the entire room, than runs back to the rest of the group and pulls the whole damn dungeon down on the group.

Then, when that's all done... repeatedly he turns to me after getting himself respawned.. and tells me why do I bother to queue for dungeons as a healer when I am not one.

LOL.

My response is there's no healer for stupid..

At some point I swear I heard him whimpering.

I suppose this depend upon the dungeon TBH, most of the originals you can do this without much concern.

Flameheart

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

When tanking and a mob gets loose, it is so frustrating to see whomever it is chasing, run away from the group and group AOE's. Just die already, so the tank and healer doesn't waste resources.

If I had 10g for each time I've had to say "Bring the mob to me."

Grobul, anyone?

So true and so sad that you can still watch the "headless-chicken-run" in PUGs..so look at the second phrase of my signature for doing it right.

On topic: Actually you can do that what the DD did in a group where all know what to do and - most important - the dps is good. As a tank I might even try to taunt some of your stuff you bring along. The DD who brings the pack should run to the tank, stay there block and/or shield and doing max AoE asap.

So as a remark:

- it will make life even worse if AoE group dps is lousy
- I often experience bad AoE dps in PUGs
- so just don't do it in PUGs

Another possible option might be that your "DD" was a fake tank :-)

G1Countdown

I was in a dungeon yesterday with a dps player (who turned out to be kind) with a derogatory character name against healers. Halfway thru our dungeon we are approaching a boss and he/she speeds ahead not waiting for the tank to take aggro. And gets hit by the boss three separate times in about 1 second dealing well over 30k damage. And, down goes the dps.

My only reply was, 'Healz can't heal that.'

Tan9oSuccka

As a tank, I rather enjoy watching 15k health DD’s pull.

I’ve witnessed piles of dead Altmer bodies which is quite satisfying.

Jarryzzt

I realize that "DD" here is supposed to stand for "Damage Dealer"...but that is most certainly not how my mind reads it.

Which puts the entire thread into a very different and not-at-all child appropriate context.

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Funnily enough, I was once - recently - in a group where the healer would rush out and aggro half the dungeon, then wonder aloud (crudely, with many grammatical and spelling offenses) why we weren't following their (gender neutral pronouns magically solve all issues of inequality) lead.

Put differently: MMOs are MMOs, and PUGs are PUGs. Always have been...I mean, you should see the verbal abuse dished out in some WoT matches because roleplayers (scouts, artillery, heavies, et cetera) decide to be...original and creative to the detriment of the rest of the team.

Tasear

@paulsimonps I think it's time share that video again. What was the one where healer is not a healer bit good.

To OP just let them die. If things get bad "vote to kick". As yourself is there more of him or me

Tasear

Dabulousness wrote: »

I feel like I get judged for poor healing when I'm with a bad group, but I genuinely do sit and scratch my head when I see people standing in stupid and not even attempting to self-heal. There are only so many BoL's I'll spam before I decide to let you die so you hopefully learn your lesson. It's especially bad when I do more DPS than a DD.

I recently missed a bunch of pledges so decided to set myself as a tank for them. WGT was on the list. Not only was I holding aggro, I was healing more than the healer and had a higher damage output than the DDs, neither of which knew the mechanics. Thankfully on normal I can BoL through the inhibitor's blue flames if I manage my magicka exceptionally well (with prior damage, shielding and healing).

So don't worry too much about your healing if you're in the right - just vote to kick and if that fails, move on, as sad as it is.

It's not good healing just to spam bol.

VaranisArano

My usual assumption when tanking is that if a DPS pulls something before my tank does, that DPS can darned when handle it until I get there to handle the crowd control and taunting. You pull it, you taunt it until I get there. If you don't like it, you should have been a little more patient.

My usual assumption when healing is that if a DPS or tanks choose to engage when I'm not there (I won't dawdle but I won't sprint to keep up either if you are moving ahead without the rest of the party) that's on your head. I'll heal you when I get there. Unfortunately, I can probably carry you even through some pretty bad decisions on your part, but believe me, I'm grumbling the whole time about how stupid and squishy you are.

Tasear wrote: »

Dabulousness wrote: »

I feel like I get judged for poor healing when I'm with a bad group, but I genuinely do sit and scratch my head when I see people standing in stupid and not even attempting to self-heal. There are only so many BoL's I'll spam before I decide to let you die so you hopefully learn your lesson. It's especially bad when I do more DPS than a DD.

I recently missed a bunch of pledges so decided to set myself as a tank for them. WGT was on the list. Not only was I holding aggro, I was healing more than the healer and had a higher damage output than the DDs, neither of which knew the mechanics. Thankfully on normal I can BoL through the inhibitor's blue flames if I manage my magicka exceptionally well (with prior damage, shielding and healing).

So don't worry too much about your healing if you're in the right - just vote to kick and if that fails, move on, as sad as it is.

It's not good healing just to spam bol.

If a squishy DPS is standing in stupid and being stupid about taking damage, there's no amount of good preventative healing that is going to help. There are some groups where maintenance heals are fine + DPS. There are some groups where the fail is so bad that if you aren't in my heals, I can't heal you because then the rest of the group will wipe. And then there are some DPS who insist on staying out of the heals that I'm throwing so I have to resort to throwing breath of life (or another burst heal) at them when they need it because they aren't putting themselves where I can easily keep them healed. Combine a few of those and you've got a bad PUG bunch of randoms for a healer to deal with.

In short, good healing goes out the window when the healer is carrying the group or particularly squishy and stupid DPS through the dungeon because they'll wipe without an active healer. In that case, my healer will do whatever it takes to keep the group alive, within reason. If I can't support that DPS and the rest of the group because of what that DPS is doing or where they put themself, I'm going to prioritize the rest of the group over that DPS.

paulsimonps

Tasear wrote: »

@paulsimonps I think it's time share that video again. What was the one where healer is not a healer bit good.

To OP just let them die. If things get bad "vote to kick". As yourself is there more of him or me

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I know, I know. This has been posted a bunch of times. But it is always the first thing that comes to mind for me when I see these threads. For those who haven’t seen it, enjoy.
https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

@Tasear Already linked if it was that one you meant

BlanketFort

A lot of people don’t have proper dungeon etiquette or know how to behave in a group with strangers.

Too many Superhero DDs, lately, and I feel like the old lady in the back that screams „back in my day, the tanks pulled first!“. I play heals and tank, so if I get one of these heroes, I let them die and rub some salt in. I get excited each time their pixels drop dead

Silver_Strider

I personally love those idiots that blame the healer when get smacked for 30k+ damage instantly and die.

Yeah, it's totally my fault you stood in the boss's AoE. It's my fault you didn't do the mechanic and died.

Grow up. Be a man and blame the right person, the tank

PlagueSD

I've had my share of nightmare PUGS, but last night, I had some rather nice runs. Me (tank) my friend (healer) were introducting his son (dps) to dugeons. We got the occasional "DPS in a rush" but quite a few runs were pretty mellow. When we queued, we'd let the PUG know we were teaching someone the dungeon and doing the quests. I was actually able to do proper pulls and stack everything up to be AOE'd down. Made those runs pretty easy. I even over-pulled a few times (pull boss without clearing trash, for example) but since group was allowing me to pull and set everything up, it didn't take any longer. I just stack everything on the BOSS and let the AOE fly. Needless to say, we leveled his son from 13 to 20 last night doing dungeons.

Kuramas9tails

"At least I got chicken"

Tan9oSuccka

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I personally love those idiots that blame the healer when get smacked for 30k+ damage instantly and die.

Yeah, it's totally my fault you stood in the boss's AoE. It's my fault you didn't do the mechanic and died.

Grow up. Be a man and blame the right person, the tank

When I Tank Darkshade 1 and I get yolo dummies that like to run ahead and aggro everything, I wait till the very end for revenge.

I position the Sentinel of Rkugamz’s swipe attack on them. I literally go stand next to them.

My personal record is killing the same guy 5 times.

Sarjako

Its_Alexis wrote: »

Off topic, what is this Leroy Jenkins thing about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyOj_QD4a4

Ah snap someone showed ya already

Sarjako

I heal quite a bit to grind out gear for my other toons.. and yeah. When an ill equipped DD runs ahead n' pulls everything then gets mad because he couldn't either dodge or heal the damage... well yeah. Makes me less likely to even WANT to heal you. If you waste my resources.. ( unless you're just truly LEARNING ) I will let you die at least once. If multiple members in the group want to mess with my resources and make me work extra hard... well I'll be even more forward about my disappointment. I'd say how but I don't want to encourage any more bad sportsmanship. ;x

Armatesz

Kaspar wrote: »

I've been in many groups with <160 CP players who apparently have minimal health in order to max! DPS, have minimal resistances, insist on standing in red circles, and expect to waltz through Veteran dungeons like it's a Holiday Event. It is very funny when they are repeatedly 1-shot by the boss' light attacks. Naturally, they blame there demise on the healer though.

I run as a heavy magplar and when I do heals I allow myself to get hit now and then to accelerate resource gain. I call people out on what they call one hit kills. There is multiple ways to play but if you die a lot you probably should reconsider something for survivability. What good is all that power if you can't take a hit? Find so many of those people that are one hit wonders I do more damage than them and I can take a hit... not even a tank for crying out loud.