Is there ever going to be a FREE new zone?

Balamoor

coop500 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Honestly if anything I want less free things, it introduces some of the most disruptive players in the community. I think ESO would be better served if they didn't have a 4 dollar sale of the base game every other week.

I think one of the few mistakes Anet did was offer the GW2 base game for free, it is working their CM's and mods overtime, diametrically GW1 has not lowered it's price in years and that community albeit not huge is amazing, I think B2P only works if the buy isn't a throwaway sum that encourages bored trolls.

The business model should be 30 bucks for the base game (never lower) 40 bucks for the current paid expansion if you want more buy the dlc or sub, if you want to be part of the forum community beyond the tech support and players helping players forums....you have to subscribe.

No to the last part, I paid well over $200 for this game and it's DLCs and such, but I don't sub, I still have every right to use the forums.

Don't worry they will never do that, but I just don't think forums should be a right...because they are abused, I have seen it first hand, ZoS has a five dollar sale on the base game and Trolls buy four keys just for the forum invites, to Trolls its cheap fun because it takes forever to get actually banned, others do it it to farm forum badges. I have heard that's how a couple became community Ambassadors.

It's why I always said the forum opinions aren't real and the awesome s don't matter

coop500

Balamoor wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Honestly if anything I want less free things, it introduces some of the most disruptive players in the community. I think ESO would be better served if they didn't have a 4 dollar sale of the base game every other week.

I think one of the few mistakes Anet did was offer the GW2 base game for free, it is working their CM's and mods overtime, diametrically GW1 has not lowered it's price in years and that community albeit not huge is amazing, I think B2P only works if the buy isn't a throwaway sum that encourages bored trolls.

The business model should be 30 bucks for the base game (never lower) 40 bucks for the current paid expansion if you want more buy the dlc or sub, if you want to be part of the forum community beyond the tech support and players helping players forums....you have to subscribe.

No to the last part, I paid well over $200 for this game and it's DLCs and such, but I don't sub, I still have every right to use the forums.

Don't worry they will never do that, but I just don't think forums should be a right...because they are abused, I have seen it first hand, ZoS has a five dollar sale on the base game and Trolls buy four keys just for the forum invites, to Trolls its cheap fun because it takes forever to get actually banned, others do it it to farm forum badges. I have heard that's how a couple became community Ambassadors.

It's why I always said the forum opinions aren't real and the awesome s don't matter

A right to harass? No, but the forums are more than just for harassing others and it shouldn't be locked down from me just because I don't pay 15 a month. I have learned so much about the game and it's community from the forums, which has helped me enjoy the game more and not fumble around as much like a fish out of water.

Despite what you are implying, not everyone that doesn't sub is a troll just out to make people's lives harder, some of us want to just play the game and enjoy it, while being a part of the community.

Should the game be more than 5 bucks to any joe smoe? Sure, I agree to that, make the base game at least 20, it's worth that much at least, any less is kind of a insult and makes it easy for people to ban evade. But to lock people out of the forums because they don't sub is going too far. Subbers are no better than other people.

Balamoor

coop500 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Honestly if anything I want less free things, it introduces some of the most disruptive players in the community. I think ESO would be better served if they didn't have a 4 dollar sale of the base game every other week.

I think one of the few mistakes Anet did was offer the GW2 base game for free, it is working their CM's and mods overtime, diametrically GW1 has not lowered it's price in years and that community albeit not huge is amazing, I think B2P only works if the buy isn't a throwaway sum that encourages bored trolls.

The business model should be 30 bucks for the base game (never lower) 40 bucks for the current paid expansion if you want more buy the dlc or sub, if you want to be part of the forum community beyond the tech support and players helping players forums....you have to subscribe.

No to the last part, I paid well over $200 for this game and it's DLCs and such, but I don't sub, I still have every right to use the forums.

Don't worry they will never do that, but I just don't think forums should be a right...because they are abused, I have seen it first hand, ZoS has a five dollar sale on the base game and Trolls buy four keys just for the forum invites, to Trolls its cheap fun because it takes forever to get actually banned, others do it it to farm forum badges. I have heard that's how a couple became community Ambassadors.

It's why I always said the forum opinions aren't real and the awesome s don't matter

A right to harass? No, but the forums are more than just for harassing others and it shouldn't be locked down from me just because I don't pay 15 a month. I have learned so much about the game and it's community from the forums, which has helped me enjoy the game more and not fumble around as much like a fish out of water.

Despite what you are implying, not everyone that doesn't sub is a troll just out to make people's lives harder, some of us want to just play the game and enjoy it, while being a part of the community.

Should the game be more than 5 bucks to any joe smoe? Sure, I agree to that, make the base game at least 20, it's worth that much at least, any less is kind of a insult and makes it easy for people to ban evade. But to lock people out of the forums because they don't sub is going too far. Subbers are no better than other people.

Not really implying anything, and looking over my post I never came close to saying "Everyone" but it is a issue a big one...like I said my opinion carries zero weight in this community, but I did offer it.

Ragnarock41

Plenty of free content exists already.

Eirella

Magdalina wrote: »

Um...let's imagine you're a developer/designer/artist/tester/whatever working for Zenimax Online Studios. Your question then transforms into the following: would you like to work for free for a few months?

Side note, I wish the game'd stayed p2p and we could just pay monthly for full game access and "free" updates. Then there'd also be an incentive for them to fix things already ingame instead of focusing on new content only. But it is what it is, I don't see any logic whatsoever in them making a free dlc with b2p model.

I agree with this so much!

Kel

SirFilip wrote: »

All these new zones but all are a part of a DLC.

No game gives you free content. Even WoW charges you $60 per expansion, and yes, that's including your subscription and covers "free" patches.
Developers do work for a living. They and thier teams deserve to get paid for that work.

Everstorm

SirFilip wrote: »

Geez I guess people don't like free stuff.

Can I have your phone, for free? Or your PC/Consule, for free? I would really like that.

SisterGoat

I would love a free million dollars to rain from the sky.

Didgerion

If you give devs free drinks then you might be in luck.

JD2013

Nope. They won’t. Because all of the new zones cost money to make.

Paying designers
Paying quest writers
Paying world builders
Paying programmers
Paying Audio team
Paying for musicians for the music
Paying for voice actors for the characters

Etc etc. Everything costs money to make.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

SirFilip wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

OP, I have a question: would you agree to work for free? Making games requires a lot of work and investments, especially if we're talking about online games (which means that they need to pay for servers etc).
And yeah, Craglorn wasnt a free update. You couldnt even log in without active subscription back in the days.

Well actually they wouldn't be working for free. The company would still pay them.

With money they didnt make since the dlc is free

Dark_Lord_Kuro

SirFilip wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Do you work for free?

Do you want to pay for everything?

Yes that would be logic to pay to aquire something

Prof_Bawbag

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I don't know if other people will agree, but I think zos charge a very fair price for the DLC zones. While some (maybe most) things in the Crown store do seem overpriced, the dlc is a bargain for all that it adds to the game... the dlc dungeons less so perhaps.

They have to price dlc reasonably, though. One thing charging £100+ for fluff, another thing entirely charging £70 - £100 for dlc/chapters. That's even a line the likes of EA, Ubi and Capcom aren't willing to cross just yet.

MLGProPlayer

Developing a new zone is expensive. It makes zero economic sense to release a zone for free.

Even WoW, which has a monthly sub, charges you for new zones.

Strider__Roshin

The Monster Hunter series generates more profit than ESO, and they don't charge for DLCs nor do they have loot crates.

idk

SirFilip wrote: »

All these new zones but all are a part of a DLC.

Nope. That's what would do if subscription was required. Well, with a subscription you still have access to everything except the chapters.

If you want to see more than the base game buy a subscription card and see more for a bit or buy a doc when it's on sale. Heck, but the crowns on sale then the DLC in sale and it is practically free.

Magdalina

Bax wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

we could just pay monthly for full game access and "free" updates

You still can.

Lol. I don't miss paying them money - which yeah I can still do, and there's a reason why I don't do that. I miss getting quality content/updates to old content. Back then they were working on versions 2 for dungeons, probably had lots more on the list than just COH and COA. They were working on bugfixing...okay that part has always sucked...but it was still a better effort than now. Hell they even tried to redesign delves in the base zones. They had an incentive to work on the game as a whole, slowly expanding it while polishing the aspects already present.

Now? If it's not in a dlc or crown store it's not bringing them money. Why pay some testers/coders for overtime to fix some combat bugs when you can instead pay the artists to get a few new crown mounts/crates/whatever in?

SisterGoat

Imagine how much it costs to pay all the people to make a new zone. Let's say it's about half a million dollars. I don't know the real cost, but let's go with that for an example. Can you imagine Zenimax throwing away half a million dollars because it "wouldn't hurt"? Could you imagine yourself giving away half a million dollars? Because I can't.

Magdalina

SirFilip wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

OP, I have a question: would you agree to work for free? Making games requires a lot of work and investments, especially if we're talking about online games (which means that they need to pay for servers etc).
And yeah, Craglorn wasnt a free update. You couldnt even log in without active subscription back in the days.

Well actually they wouldn't be working for free. The company would still pay them.

That's...um...uh...and you suppose the company just gets money falling from the sky on them or something?

Rouven

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

SirFilip wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

OP, I have a question: would you agree to work for free? Making games requires a lot of work and investments, especially if we're talking about online games (which means that they need to pay for servers etc).
And yeah, Craglorn wasnt a free update. You couldnt even log in without active subscription back in the days.

Well actually they wouldn't be working for free. The company would still pay them.

With money they didnt make since the dlc is free

Well let me play the diabolo advocaticus for a second - they could use a portion they got from the wales that paid a thousand times ...

This model is already very generous, I'm not complaining. I think if there would have been an opening for a new free map it would have come with the introduction of the new chapter. Which didn't happen, which is why I don't think it will happen in the future.

SisterGoat

OP needs to learn about economics, so here's a crash course on how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ez10ADR_gM

CaffeinatedMayhem

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

SirFilip wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

OP, I have a question: would you agree to work for free? Making games requires a lot of work and investments, especially if we're talking about online games (which means that they need to pay for servers etc).
And yeah, Craglorn wasnt a free update. You couldnt even log in without active subscription back in the days.

Well actually they wouldn't be working for free. The company would still pay them.

With money they didnt make since the dlc is free

Except for all of us paying $15/mo, for years.

Iselin

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

They have to make money.

Didn't they make Craglorn as free zone...?

Wasn’t that when it was still subscription only? So it’s pretty much the same as getting ESO+ now. There’s no way in hell they’d ever do that today. Though compared to how ridiculously greedy they are now, I’m still surprised Craglorn was free even considering the mandatory sub.

That was before they had the revelation that if this casual player base will throw large amounts of cash at fluff in or out of clown crates, all they needed to do with invent a new name for additions not big enough to call expansions with a straight face and they could sell those chapters too.

That's how we got the Craglorn chapter in the base game.

Nestor

Astrid_V wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

They have to make money.

Didn't they make Craglorn as free zone...?

That was back in the days of the Sub

Oberick

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Why do you feel entitled to free content?

Those free players help populate the world for us. F2p games need enough free and varied content to keep the server population numbers up while relying on whales (and in eso case subs also) to keep the revenue coming in.

Without the free players the population would eventually dwindle down to nothing and the game would get shut down which after stupidly spending 200+ on PP and decking it out the best i could atm would really tick me off if the game shut down in a year or two.

I_killed_Vivec

Iselin wrote: »

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

They have to make money.

Didn't they make Craglorn as free zone...?

Wasn’t that when it was still subscription only? So it’s pretty much the same as getting ESO+ now. There’s no way in hell they’d ever do that today. Though compared to how ridiculously greedy they are now, I’m still surprised Craglorn was free even considering the mandatory sub.

That was before they had the revelation that if this casual player base will throw large amounts of cash at fluff in or out of clown crates, all they needed to do with invent a new name for additions not big enough to call expansions with a straight face and they could sell those chapters too.

That's how we got the Craglorn chapter in the base game.

It is also how they sold the game...

"It's a quality product for an intensely loyal fanbase. The subscription model ensures quality and provides the finances for regular DLC."

And then some guff about never going free to play (though you have to buy the base game).

They even promoted new DLC, including an early glimpse of Clockwork City...

But all we got was Lower Craglorn, then Upper Craglorn, not free but as part of the subscription model. Then a wait of a year before Wrothgar, by which time the subscription model had been ditched.

Subscriptions that had paid for much of the DLC they are now selling to us as "new" content.

cbdfarm

ZOS just had a meltdown, the word "free" does not compute to them. All they care about is making the most profit, while leaving the gamer behind

Axoinus

It's already free if you subscribe.

MLGProPlayer

Daus wrote: »

The Monster Hunter series generates more profit than ESO, and they don't charge for DLCs nor do they have loot crates.

Monster Hunter isn't an MMO. It's much smaller than an MMO and has far less content than an MMO.

SisterGoat

Guess I'll take this free Brassilisk, free Nix-Ox, free Crown crates, and free costumes and mount I got from the Mysterious Boxes and throw them in the trash cuz that's pretty much what you guys are doing.