The best method for improving at basic PvP combat shall henceforth be known as Edging.

NightbladeMechanics

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

Teaching you details of how your class should fight against theirs, and then giving you opportunities to put those lessons into practice in order to survive and attempt kills on them over an extended fight.

It's a pretty second nature teaching method, and very effective, but tonight @tisserrand coined the perfect name.

Spicy.

GrigorijMalahevich

Good to know, thank you very much!

Sylphie

He kept asking me to edge him tonight.

I was scared.

Ghostbane

@tisserrand edged me for 45 minutes in 2014, was the best duel ever. No quitsies.

Derra

How do you edge someone when you´re aming to kill them in one combo depending on critluck?

Anazasi

ROFL the art of not in PVP has now reached a new level. OMG This analogy should not have been applied to gaming. What's next playing the current meta will now be referred to as S&M.

technohic

Anazasi wrote: »

ROFL the art of not in PVP has now reached a new level. OMG This analogy should not have been applied to gaming. What's next playing the current meta will now be referred to as S&M.

Frumping

Publius_Scipio

Tisserand. That’s a name i have not heard muttered in Tamriel by player nor NPC in a very long time. Almost reminds me of the classic story, A Kristhmas Karol. Where Krotha Skrooge was visted by the ghost of German Marley one night. The tormented soul of German carried with it the chains he had forged in life through his misdeeds, like using CE.

But in the end all was well and Kilandros Kratchet’s little boy, Tiny Tim Enchanters did just fine.

Publius_Scipio

Krothaneezer Skrooge and Tiny Tim Enchanters. I’m dying laughing.

IcyDeadPeople

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

What's the point of not dying?

Draxys

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

What's the point of not dying?

Less dying, more dueling, MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY

IcyDeadPeople

Draxys wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

What's the point of not dying?

Less dying, more dueling, MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY

Eh, takes 2 seconds to start duel again, and you can learn/practice some stuff that would be a bit weird if arbitrarily trying to avoid getting someone's health low.

Back in the day we would just meet somewhere near a keep. Had a lot of difficulty fighting sorcs at one point and a friend who was pretty good at sorc (Zergbad) was kind enough to spend time dueling me over and over, probably 300 times one weekend, until finally I managed to win. Sadly I think this is still in my "Killed By" history =P

Kram8ion

This is great when a great player comes up against a good one and sort of teach/ teases his opponent
When you realise your not the great one it actually relieves a lot of pressure and so the learning starts

NightbladeMechanics

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

What's the point of not dying?

To enable them to put the lessons into practice. Getting smashed over and over can show openings and teach concepts, but simply pushing the person around gives them opportunities to actually struggle to heal and successfully recover from burst combos, attempt kill combos on you, and feel out other techniques in order to build muscle memory.

And then on a practical level, you get to prolong the practice session without the interruption of dying and having to start new duels.

NightbladeMechanics

Kram8ion wrote: »

This is great when a great player comes up against a good one and sort of teach/ teases his opponent
When you realise your not the great one it actually relieves a lot of pressure and so the learning starts

The moment you let ego take over and decide you're the best at something is the moment you stop improving.

Then the ambitious person with a positive and humble attitude surpasses you, and your world comes crumbling down.

How many times have we seen this happen both in this game and irl?

Publius_Scipio

Who are you!?

Ask me who I was.

Who were you then!?

In life I was German. Professional ESO player.


https://youtu.be/qtFu0y6acfI

usmcjdking

this is called 'sparring'.

lol

Solariken

usmcjdking wrote: »

this is called 'sparring'.

lol

^

I have no idea why, but you made me randomly think about that hella awesome kick the first boss in Blackheart Haven does and how bad I want that as a player ability. @ZOS_Wrobel THIS IS SPARTAAAAHHH!!

Rouven

Combat should be straight forward. Well actually more of a back and forth. But usually once you enter you see how long you can last before you die a little. Retreating and attacking from a different angle is of course an option, sometimes offering a little reprieve.

JamilaRaj

Getting better gear is also quite effective method.

Lexxypwns

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

CavalryPK

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

This

technohic

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

You know; that’s a good point. I haven’t done that sort of thing since years ago when I got my butt kicked in an Armored Core tournament. Finished last. Started practicing and recording with a VCR attached to a PS1 and the one game, not sure if it was Phantasm or Masters of Arena where you could crank AI up. Went back and took 2nd. Got pretty burnt out though

Ragnarock41

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

Teaching you details of how your class should fight against theirs, and then giving you opportunities to put those lessons into practice in order to survive and attempt kills on them over an extended fight.

It's a pretty second nature teaching method, and very effective, but tonight @tisserrand coined the perfect name.

Spicy.

In my experience, this is a very good start to learn the basics, but to truly shine in open world, one must go and fight alone, relying on nobody but himself. Only then one can learn to truly adapt to every situation.

NightbladeMechanics

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Getting better gear is also quite effective method.

Not for getting better at the game.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The act of having a superior player push you around hard in a duel without actually killing you.

Teaching you details of how your class should fight against theirs, and then giving you opportunities to put those lessons into practice in order to survive and attempt kills on them over an extended fight.

It's a pretty second nature teaching method, and very effective, but tonight @tisserrand coined the perfect name.

Spicy.

In my experience, this is a very good start to learn the basics, but to truly shine in open world, one must go and fight alone, relying on nobody but himself. Only then one can learn to truly adapt to every situation.

Open world is the great challenge which dueling works you up towards! It is the true test of player skill, but I am talking about teaching up novices who wouldn’t yet be able to last in open world. And making a joke.

Lexxypwns

technohic wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I think dueling is a great way to improve. I think recording yourself and breaking down footage of fights is the another amazing method for improving though since you can more easily identify mistakes from outside of a pressure situation and adjust your whole thought process.

When I started recording myself I went from a slightly above average Zergling to a competent, dangerous player

You know; that’s a good point. I haven’t done that sort of thing since years ago when I got my butt kicked in an Armored Core tournament. Finished last. Started practicing and recording with a VCR attached to a PS1 and the one game, not sure if it was Phantasm or Masters of Arena where you could crank AI up. Went back and took 2nd. Got pretty burnt out though

Especially in games where you can get rekt super quick, it’s great to be able to go back and see step by step what happened so that you can see it coming and have an answer for it in the future

Alfie2072

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

This is great when a great player comes up against a good one and sort of teach/ teases his opponent
When you realise your not the great one it actually relieves a lot of pressure and so the learning starts

The moment you let ego take over and decide you're the best at something is the moment you stop improving.

Then the ambitious person with a positive and humble attitude surpasses you, and your world comes crumbling down.

How many times have we seen this happen both in this game and irl?

ive seen you say you are the best nightblade on NA, isnt that ego doe bobo

NightbladeMechanics

Alfie2072 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

This is great when a great player comes up against a good one and sort of teach/ teases his opponent
When you realise your not the great one it actually relieves a lot of pressure and so the learning starts

The moment you let ego take over and decide you're the best at something is the moment you stop improving.

Then the ambitious person with a positive and humble attitude surpasses you, and your world comes crumbling down.

How many times have we seen this happen both in this game and irl?

ive seen you say you are the best nightblade on NA, isnt that ego doe bobo

You've not seen me claim that. Don't come in here trying to start more drama, Alfy.

Alfie2072

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Alfie2072 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

This is great when a great player comes up against a good one and sort of teach/ teases his opponent
When you realise your not the great one it actually relieves a lot of pressure and so the learning starts

The moment you let ego take over and decide you're the best at something is the moment you stop improving.

Then the ambitious person with a positive and humble attitude surpasses you, and your world comes crumbling down.

How many times have we seen this happen both in this game and irl?

ive seen you say you are the best nightblade on NA, isnt that ego doe bobo

You've not seen me claim that. Don't come in here trying to start more drama, Alfy.

vhat is drama

Kode

Hah. It is a fitting name.

I use this with my wife... she hates it.

But, it is undeniably effective at teaching. The problem is it only works if one player is significantly more skilled on their character. I set my wife up with a nightblade with an identical build to my nightblade... after she complained about the build, I started doing this with her to show her that the problem was her, not the build. She improved very quickly but it is hard to keep her motivated to keep doing it because it is very humbling, despite improving.

NightbladeMechanics

Kode wrote: »

Hah. It is a fitting name.

I use this with my wife... she hates it.

But, it is undeniably effective at teaching. The problem is it only works if one player is significantly more skilled on their character. I set my wife up with a nightblade with an identical build to my nightblade... after she complained about the build, I started doing this with her to show her that the problem was her, not the build. She improved very quickly but it is hard to keep her motivated to keep doing it because it is very humbling, despite improving.

'Tis the idea. Without the significant skill gap, you're not actually teaching. Just sparring back and forth for practice. That won't accelerate the learning curve nearly as much.