And another idiotic unbalanced skill in PVP: Dragonknight spell reflect

evoprimes

I am a mag sorc and one DK has always the spell reflect buff on. I really hope that a cooldown to this spell will be applied otherwise it causes a lot of unbalanced fights throughout the game.
I am pretty sure that no one from ZOS will read this because they just don't care. But still, I take this opportunity to call them exactly what they are: a bunch on untrained chimps. Thank you

evoprimes

Ah, and anybody calling the l2p method, they're just even lower IQ than ZOS team. This is a huge abuse that a player can keep that skill permanently up. Should we just kill him with Curse? )

Beardimus

It's rare that skill causes much grief these days. Stun em up, curse, HA, Ulti etc. Personally don't feel its Op

It's about the only good part of the frag Nerf is at least when they bat one back you don't floor yourself lol.

evoprimes

The fact that you can just perma reflect while you're attacking is not OP. Noted, thanks for your opinion.

Biro123

It has been quite heavily nerfed over the years. You just need to understand it.

It is expensive.
It only reflects 4 attacks
It doesn't reflect crushing shock, curse, mages wrath, meteor..

You have options.. Play the sustain game and just hit it with quick light attacks to take it down fast.

Or only use abilities that are not affected by it.. Until he realises he's just wasting mana/time and stops casting it... Then bring frags back in to the mix.

Or just ignore and fight some one else.. Especially if tanky. You have more mobility than he does. Use it.

Thogard

Hahahahaha

Wow

I never thought I’d see this post.

Yet here we are.

Congrats OP - you are whining about the buggiest, easiest to counter, and possibly the worst skill in the game.

Congrats!

evoprimes

Thogard wrote: »

Hahahahaha

Wow

I never thought I’d see this post.

Yet here we are.

Congrats OP - you are whining about the buggiest, easiest to counter, and possibly the worst skill in the game.

Congrats!

Oh, please, tell me God of ESO, how can I counter that without changing my skills for that specific OP autist skill?

Thogard

evoprimes wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Hahahahaha

Wow

I never thought I’d see this post.

Yet here we are.

Congrats OP - you are whining about the buggiest, easiest to counter, and possibly the worst skill in the game.

Congrats!

Oh, please, tell me God of ESO, how can I counter that without changing my skills for that specific OP autist skill?

you're a magsorc right?

how many of your skills can be reflected? crystal frags and destructive reach?

anything that can be reflected can also be dodged or blocked easily, which means you should land your rune stun on them before casting anyway.

edit; please believe me when i say that every DK here would trade those wings for a dmg shield like empowered ward or hardened ward without hesitation.

FloppyTouch

Is this a troll post?

Qbiken

Also, there´s a bug with reflect. If you refresh the ability before reflecting 4 abilities, it won´t reflect 4 abilities. To make things clearer:

If you active wings and reflect 2 projectiles and then refresh wings, you might think you would be able to reflect another 4 projectiles......wrong......you´ll only be able to reflect 2 projectiles.

State of wing:
- It´s bugged (as described above)
- Few things to reflect
- Cost a fortune (As if DK didn´t have costly skills to begin with)

And yet you complain about wing being OP. If someone is spamming wings against you in a fight, they´ll be out of magicka very fast.

Ragnarock41

evoprimes wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Hahahahaha

Wow

I never thought I’d see this post.

Yet here we are.

Congrats OP - you are whining about the buggiest, easiest to counter, and possibly the worst skill in the game.

Congrats!

Oh, please, tell me God of ESO, how can I counter that without changing my skills for that specific OP autist skill?

point is, every single time Im up against a magsorc I have to change my skills.(and guess what? I don't even use wings, it only really works on people like you. think about why thats the case)
Not only that I have to sacrifice CP just to have a way of shutting down shield spam.
Meanwhile you can just change your spammable and boom, you countered wings. congratz, much counterplay, such planning. wow.
sorcs has 2 of the most *** dueling tools in this game.

1. pets
2. mines

Yet you don't see me or another Dk crying about how a sorc can completely and utterly destroy any melee opponent who isnt prepared to face 20k shields, 3 pets and mines that each hit like truck while immobilizing me.

grow up. You're only embarassing yourself.

Neloth

The complain from sorc looks pretty stupid, yes (since it's just "don't frag him with wings up"), but don't forget that wings completely shut down magNB.

Ragnarock41

Neloth wrote: »

The complain from sorc looks pretty stupid, yes (since it's just "don't frag him with wings up"), but don't forget that wings completely shut down magNB.

It does that on bad magblades, a duel vs a mDk and a magblade is going to be a long one, both has amazing survivability, but trust me, if the magblade is good, he/she will win on the sustaining game because wings are so expensive to have a long uptime.

Trashs1

thats a trollpost 4 sure Oo

tplink3r1

Know what else really bothers me in this game? Toppling Charge. That thing is so OP it makes me ragequit every time.

MercTheMage

Crushing shock?

DDuke

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

MercTheMage

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

Actually, I don't hate this. I mean it's easy as *** to dodge them, and they all move slow as ***, so yeah. Cast time should = no reflect.

Thogard

It’s just interesting that OP is whining about DK wings when the warden shimmering shield is so much stronger. Like, ridiculously stronger. And it works on more stuff.

DKsUnite

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

That sounds like a *** terrible idea. The list of things reflected by wings get smaller every single patch and now you want to remove snipe and dark flare from that list, two skills which provide healing debuffs and are pretty much the reason any DK would run wings in the first place....

DDuke

DKsUnite wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

That sounds like a *** terrible idea. The list of things reflected by wings get smaller every single patch and now you want to remove snipe and dark flare from that list, two skills which provide healing debuffs and are pretty much the reason any DK would run wings in the first place....

See it from the other perspective; how do you plan on beating a DK with scales as a bow build? Or Dark Flare magplar?

I get that scales need to feel useful, but considering how Master's Destro Flame Clench spammers are everywhere, I don't think they'll feel unuseful any time soon.

Ragnarock41

DDuke wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

That sounds like a *** terrible idea. The list of things reflected by wings get smaller every single patch and now you want to remove snipe and dark flare from that list, two skills which provide healing debuffs and are pretty much the reason any DK would run wings in the first place....

See it from the other perspective; how do you plan on beating a DK with scales as a bow build? Or Dark Flare magplar?

I get that scales need to feel useful, but considering how Master's Destro Flame Clench spammers are everywhere, I don't think they'll feel unuseful any time soon.

don't play a bow main build like the other %95 of the game then?
That magDk has no way of catching up to you over 28 meters, his only hope is leap, and you wanna take that away so you can just snipe spam everything to death? Is that what you want?

DDuke

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

That sounds like a *** terrible idea. The list of things reflected by wings get smaller every single patch and now you want to remove snipe and dark flare from that list, two skills which provide healing debuffs and are pretty much the reason any DK would run wings in the first place....

See it from the other perspective; how do you plan on beating a DK with scales as a bow build? Or Dark Flare magplar?

I get that scales need to feel useful, but considering how Master's Destro Flame Clench spammers are everywhere, I don't think they'll feel unuseful any time soon.

don't play a bow main build like the other %95 of the game then?
That magDk has no way of catching up to you over 28 meters, his only hope is leap, and you wanna take that away so you can just snipe spam everything to death? Is that what you want?

I don't know how you came to those conclusions. You couldn't get the facts more wrong if you tried.

I'm currently playing my magicka DK (light armor destro/resto) that has no problems catching up to ranged builds thanks to Empowering Chains (one of the most underrated abilities in game), not my bow stamblade that never has and never will "spam snipe" (that's what noobs do, the real combo that actually gets kills in PvP is Lethal Arrow->Acid Spray with Perfected Asylum Bow, which can only be done from 10-20m distance).
I'd love to play more of my bowblade though, but it's not a good idea as long as Miat's is a thing and it still suffers from severe drawbacks, such as survivability & dealing with projectile reflect (Acid Spray/Bombard being the only ability going through reflect for bow builds).

Biro123

I hate those chains..

Merlin13KAGL

Unless I missed it, I don't recall seeing anyone mention channeled attacks?

Restro/Lightning have always been a partial counter to Reflect and dodge. Unless you're running Fire/DW, I would assume at least one of your weapons allows for this.

Derra

When i read about someone complaining about scales - which is ridiculously expensive i can´t help but think:
What will happen when that person encounters a warden with shimmering shield which is basically free (~400 cost after return).

On topic of reflect and absorb in general. I think those abilities are overtuned. They should have a short duration where everything is absorbed/reflected but also have a forced downtime with cost increases imo.

Ragnarock41

DDuke wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You know, the op is right.

It might not be a problem for most of the meta builds (hell, even sorcs can deal with them with crushing shock/light attacks), but try fighting a DK with scales as a bow build. Your pretty much only option is to run away.


In general, I think cast time abilities (not instant cast frags) should be unreflectable.

I.e. Snipe should be a long range frontal cone AoE, Crystal Blast should be a targeted AoE & same with Dark Flare.
There, most problems fixed.

That sounds like a *** terrible idea. The list of things reflected by wings get smaller every single patch and now you want to remove snipe and dark flare from that list, two skills which provide healing debuffs and are pretty much the reason any DK would run wings in the first place....

See it from the other perspective; how do you plan on beating a DK with scales as a bow build? Or Dark Flare magplar?

I get that scales need to feel useful, but considering how Master's Destro Flame Clench spammers are everywhere, I don't think they'll feel unuseful any time soon.

don't play a bow main build like the other %95 of the game then?
That magDk has no way of catching up to you over 28 meters, his only hope is leap, and you wanna take that away so you can just snipe spam everything to death? Is that what you want?

I don't know how you came to those conclusions. You couldn't get the facts more wrong if you tried.

I'm currently playing my magicka DK (light armor destro/resto) that has no problems catching up to ranged builds thanks to Empowering Chains (one of the most underrated abilities in game), not my bow stamblade that never has and never will "spam snipe" (that's what noobs do, the real combo that actually gets kills in PvP is Lethal Arrow->Acid Spray with Perfected Asylum Bow, which can only be done from 10-20m distance).
I'd love to play more of my bowblade though, but it's not a good idea as long as Miat's is a thing and it still suffers from severe drawbacks, such as survivability & dealing with projectile reflect (Acid Spray/Bombard being the only ability going through reflect for bow builds).

I mean.. I understand miats suck BUT please, chains aren't underrated, Its utterly useless.(unless some very, very rare situations where you just need the enemy to be close, CC immunity does not matter, but thats kind of rare isnt it?) Giving my enemy free CC immunity, no thanks.
Especially considering eternal hunt is now the meta nb set, It will only end up bad for the Dk.

Azurya

evoprimes wrote: »

I am a mag sorc and one DK has always the spell reflect buff on. I really hope that a cooldown to this spell will be applied otherwise it causes a lot of unbalanced fights throughout the game.
I am pretty sure that no one from ZOS will read this because they just don't care. But still, I take this opportunity to call them exactly what they are: a bunch on untrained chimps. Thank you

got yesterday 5 times killed by shards from mages,

should I now call for a NERF of shards???

technohic

Neloth wrote: »

The complain from sorc looks pretty stupid, yes (since it's just "don't frag him with wings up"), but don't forget that wings completely shut down magNB.

Range magblade; but if you equip for melee.

It’s a range counter for a mostly melee class who’s gap closer is just a pull or an ultimate for a leap. It used to mean for me; close in for melee or light attack 4 times but now you can spam crushing shock at them.

Moglijuana

lol

Xvorg

evoprimes wrote: »

The fact that you can just perma reflect while you're attacking is not OP. Noted, thanks for your opinion.

Perma reflect?

xD

Wings are quite expensive and have little to no way to reflect beams. Besides they are bugged as hell. It is rare a DK slots them nowadays.

Maybe you should look at the Shield ulti, which in my opinion is the biggest offender... and that one can be used for any class.