Fortified brass

BroanBeast1215 · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

mikey_reach wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

To elaborate on the choice between riposte and brass, its rather simple for me, brass loses its appeal on if you don't have 2 weapon slots front bar. This means you can no longer wear 5 brass on body to get the bonuses on both bars while keeping an offensive set active on your front bar plus an undaunted 2pc. For me, that's a non-starter, since brass doesn't give sustain or damage its basically impossible to justify wearing it as your only 5pc set. I think it shines as a utility set on builds that use DW or SnB front bar, whereas riposte is the go to choice for destro/resto setups imo.

Didnt see it this way but now that you point it out it makes a lot of sense because it works really well on magplars and mag dk since they use SnB and DW

Precisely.

There's also a case for it on stamina builds that are back bar'ing SnB since you can run 5 Brass Body + 5pc (3 jewels&SnB) of a back bar set(coward's, WW hide, tava's, eternal hunt, powerful assault) then slot an undaunted 2pc and either Asylum 2h or DW front bar

do you think its worthwhile to have it as a backbar set? have a damage set and a two hander for primary and SnB on back with brass? or you could forego a monster set and run one monster shoulder/helm

Waffennacht · November 2017

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

mikey_reach wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

To elaborate on the choice between riposte and brass, its rather simple for me, brass loses its appeal on if you don't have 2 weapon slots front bar. This means you can no longer wear 5 brass on body to get the bonuses on both bars while keeping an offensive set active on your front bar plus an undaunted 2pc. For me, that's a non-starter, since brass doesn't give sustain or damage its basically impossible to justify wearing it as your only 5pc set. I think it shines as a utility set on builds that use DW or SnB front bar, whereas riposte is the go to choice for destro/resto setups imo.

Didnt see it this way but now that you point it out it makes a lot of sense because it works really well on magplars and mag dk since they use SnB and DW

Precisely.

There's also a case for it on stamina builds that are back bar'ing SnB since you can run 5 Brass Body + 5pc (3 jewels&SnB) of a back bar set(coward's, WW hide, tava's, eternal hunt, powerful assault) then slot an undaunted 2pc and either Asylum 2h or DW front bar

do you think its worthwhile to have it as a backbar set? have a damage set and a two hander for primary and SnB on back with brass? or you could forego a monster set and run one monster shoulder/helm

I did that and it worked fine the majority of the time. I missed brass though when fighting out numbered (front bar). I think a better player could make it work well

casparian · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner I aim for 2-2.5k impen minimum and am currently testing how much I want vs how much well-fitted or sturdy (depending on SnB or not) I'm considering Divines just to see how much more flexibility in stats.

As is, it's x4 impen x3 well fitted for medium.

I've been toying around with a few more ideas. Going x5 ravager on either SnB or DW, and having brass x5 constantly - the amount of mitigation is that good. Right now I dread having to buff during combat just because those few moments my health drains much more quickly. Using 2H back bar, and then Velidreth, Selene, or Slime monster

I would use lava because I'm no longer tied to dubious and pirate, either warrior mundus + 1 Regen glyph or Serpent + all wpn DMG.

If I were to go DW SNB definitely sub ravager for 7th, and then decide between TK or Skoria

I've been toying around with Livewire, mainly for group play. I messed around with Ravager for my Stamwarden and didn't see the proc go off a lot--however I wasn't using DW.

Livewire is pretty neat, I am itching to try it out in PvP along with Brass. I've also been thinking Livewire/Werewolf Hide and Brass/Werewolf hide for group play. Dw/S+B, DB DW bar and Trees S+B bar and just turtle and trees / proc livewire all day while my mates burst enemies down around us.

There's a lot of build options I would try if I had a reliable team to work with. I usually PuG so I don't usually build what could be really great in a group setting. I.e. livewire, I really like it, prob is, if all my allies' just take the #$&+ off it's not gonna help a whole lot lol.

When I can play next, I am going to try x5 Brass, x4/5 Ravager, SnB main, 2H back, I'm... Leaning towards Velidreth, especially for BGs, probably Serpent all wpn DMG Glyphs and foot stomp.

Resistance should be max on front SnB bar, because I'm gonna go with my Templar for this, access to major defile.

Jabs, Light, Vigor, Bash, and I really wanna fit Pierce in there, sweeps or DboS ult (Maybe Wall?)

Rally, Shuffle, Stampede, Extended, Little Circle move lol, with I'm thinking repentance if offensive Ult (I do like the ability to save a bud or myself)

I would have to run a speed pot, but that's cool. Have the necessary major buffs and debuffs, have burst, have a ton of wpn DMG, cheap dodge roll, evasion, healz, good Regen, access to some of the best ults.

I'm sure someone already posted this build lol

I've run a build very similar to this over the past couple of days (Brass + Ravager + Lavafoot, S&S front bar), and I had mixed feelings. I do imagine it might be better suited to BGs, but in my experience it just didn't give me the sustain I wanted in open world. It did pretty well in duels though.

Waffennacht · November 2017

casparian wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner I aim for 2-2.5k impen minimum and am currently testing how much I want vs how much well-fitted or sturdy (depending on SnB or not) I'm considering Divines just to see how much more flexibility in stats.

As is, it's x4 impen x3 well fitted for medium.

I've been toying around with a few more ideas. Going x5 ravager on either SnB or DW, and having brass x5 constantly - the amount of mitigation is that good. Right now I dread having to buff during combat just because those few moments my health drains much more quickly. Using 2H back bar, and then Velidreth, Selene, or Slime monster

I would use lava because I'm no longer tied to dubious and pirate, either warrior mundus + 1 Regen glyph or Serpent + all wpn DMG.

If I were to go DW SNB definitely sub ravager for 7th, and then decide between TK or Skoria

I've been toying around with Livewire, mainly for group play. I messed around with Ravager for my Stamwarden and didn't see the proc go off a lot--however I wasn't using DW.

Livewire is pretty neat, I am itching to try it out in PvP along with Brass. I've also been thinking Livewire/Werewolf Hide and Brass/Werewolf hide for group play. Dw/S+B, DB DW bar and Trees S+B bar and just turtle and trees / proc livewire all day while my mates burst enemies down around us.

There's a lot of build options I would try if I had a reliable team to work with. I usually PuG so I don't usually build what could be really great in a group setting. I.e. livewire, I really like it, prob is, if all my allies' just take the #$&+ off it's not gonna help a whole lot lol.

When I can play next, I am going to try x5 Brass, x4/5 Ravager, SnB main, 2H back, I'm... Leaning towards Velidreth, especially for BGs, probably Serpent all wpn DMG Glyphs and foot stomp.

Resistance should be max on front SnB bar, because I'm gonna go with my Templar for this, access to major defile.

Jabs, Light, Vigor, Bash, and I really wanna fit Pierce in there, sweeps or DboS ult (Maybe Wall?)

Rally, Shuffle, Stampede, Extended, Little Circle move lol, with I'm thinking repentance if offensive Ult (I do like the ability to save a bud or myself)

I would have to run a speed pot, but that's cool. Have the necessary major buffs and debuffs, have burst, have a ton of wpn DMG, cheap dodge roll, evasion, healz, good Regen, access to some of the best ults.

I'm sure someone already posted this build lol

I've run a build very similar to this over the past couple of days (Brass + Ravager + Lavafoot, S&S front bar), and I had mixed feelings. I do imagine it might be better suited to BGs, but in my experience it just didn't give me the sustain I wanted in open world. It did pretty well in duels though.

Interesting food for thought.

I did think of a mag warden set up

X4/5 wyrd tree using jewelry and SnB backbar for the 5th (pesky defile)
x5 brass impen light
x2 monster set up, honestly thinking Shadowrend for some reason

Eye bowl
Wanna see where the Regen is on that

Thinking frost staff for roots and to run Shield Wall back bar, and gain that 30% DMG Reduction front bar, can even block a bit maybe

Thinking like Innerlight, Fissure, Reach, Pulse Pigeons Ice Comet (or destro ult or n storm)
SnB Trellis, Corrupting, Harness/Dampen (maybe Shimmering), Enchanted Fungus, Bull or Betty, Shield Wall.

Fit bird in there maybe

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner I aim for 2-2.5k impen minimum and am currently testing how much I want vs how much well-fitted or sturdy (depending on SnB or not) I'm considering Divines just to see how much more flexibility in stats.

As is, it's x4 impen x3 well fitted for medium.

I've been toying around with a few more ideas. Going x5 ravager on either SnB or DW, and having brass x5 constantly - the amount of mitigation is that good. Right now I dread having to buff during combat just because those few moments my health drains much more quickly. Using 2H back bar, and then Velidreth, Selene, or Slime monster

I would use lava because I'm no longer tied to dubious and pirate, either warrior mundus + 1 Regen glyph or Serpent + all wpn DMG.

If I were to go DW SNB definitely sub ravager for 7th, and then decide between TK or Skoria

I've been toying around with Livewire, mainly for group play. I messed around with Ravager for my Stamwarden and didn't see the proc go off a lot--however I wasn't using DW.

Livewire is pretty neat, I am itching to try it out in PvP along with Brass. I've also been thinking Livewire/Werewolf Hide and Brass/Werewolf hide for group play. Dw/S+B, DB DW bar and Trees S+B bar and just turtle and trees / proc livewire all day while my mates burst enemies down around us.

There's a lot of build options I would try if I had a reliable team to work with. I usually PuG so I don't usually build what could be really great in a group setting. I.e. livewire, I really like it, prob is, if all my allies' just take the #$&+ off it's not gonna help a whole lot lol.

When I can play next, I am going to try x5 Brass, x4/5 Ravager, SnB main, 2H back, I'm... Leaning towards Velidreth, especially for BGs, probably Serpent all wpn DMG Glyphs and foot stomp.

Resistance should be max on front SnB bar, because I'm gonna go with my Templar for this, access to major defile.

Jabs, Light, Vigor, Bash, and I really wanna fit Pierce in there, sweeps or DboS ult (Maybe Wall?)

Rally, Shuffle, Stampede, Extended, Little Circle move lol, with I'm thinking repentance if offensive Ult (I do like the ability to save a bud or myself)

I would have to run a speed pot, but that's cool. Have the necessary major buffs and debuffs, have burst, have a ton of wpn DMG, cheap dodge roll, evasion, healz, good Regen, access to some of the best ults.

I'm sure someone already posted this build lol

I've run a build very similar to this over the past couple of days (Brass + Ravager + Lavafoot, S&S front bar), and I had mixed feelings. I do imagine it might be better suited to BGs, but in my experience it just didn't give me the sustain I wanted in open world. It did pretty well in duels though.

Interesting food for thought.

I did think of a mag warden set up

X4/5 wyrd tree using jewelry and SnB backbar for the 5th (pesky defile)
x5 brass impen light
x2 monster set up, honestly thinking Shadowrend for some reason

Eye bowl
Wanna see where the Regen is on that

Thinking frost staff for roots and to run Shield Wall back bar, and gain that 30% DMG Reduction front bar, can even block a bit maybe

Thinking like Innerlight, Fissure, Reach, Pulse Pigeons Ice Comet (or destro ult or n storm)
SnB Trellis, Corrupting, Harness/Dampen (maybe Shimmering), Enchanted Fungus, Bull or Betty, Shield Wall.

Fit bird in there maybe

I think investing into defensive sets on a magden is a poor choice. The insane healing in the toolkit means you can survive quite easily.

Magden has 3 weaknesses, lack of an execute, huge telegraph for the only class cc and sustain.

Wyrd tree is a smart choice since it adds sustain and utility. However, I wouldn't bother will brass.

5 Wyrd jewels+ back bar SnB - 5 Damage set - body. 2 undaunted of choice. 1 master's destro. To me, that's the setup you're looking for. Destructive reach is gonna cost under 2k magika and hit decently hard with the master's destro, Wyrd is going to improve sustain, a 5pc damage set( warden is made for necro, shield size, damage, sustain) is enough to make shalks+bird+reach a very, very, dangerous combo when paired with masters destro.

Then you've got an undaunted set of your choice to suit your playstyle or compliment your our choice of damage set

Now, we've addressed the CC and the sustain issues but not the execute. However, the extra damag compared to running a defensive set pushes your burst into the lethal range. You'll still need excellent CC timing to secure kills against good players(healing ward, undeath, block, not trying to roll dodge racer), however you can cover the lack of true execute with an ultimate in your burst combo.

Run tri-glyphs and bull netch(since Betty purge is still bugged) and you'll have perfect stam sustain, even with some blocking.

Wyrd, necro, masters is going to push 46k magika and 3k+ spell damage on a build with 1800+ regen and that purge. If you're running nirn front bar and double DoT poisons then you've also got 4 DoTs for skoria(burning, reach, 2x from DoT)

I'll tank or heal vDSA for you if you can find us 2 more

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

Akinos wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I tried this set on my stamDk because every single pug in this game sweared Its the best medium set ever.
So the result is:

Meh. Just... meh..

made me ask myself Why am I not just running heavy armor instead.
All the day.

I mean I have high resistances but:

I lack constution ( this is especially noticeable when Im blocking)
I lack hp (and It makes me feel really easy to get bursted,barely 22k hp in vivec, and my stamsorc friend has like 29k hp with much better burst overall)
I lack healing (less healing, more vigor spams, It just makes life harder)
I lack weapon damage (If medium gave 5k flat pen instead then my damage would be probably better)
I lack heavy attack resource return (this one especially hurts because sword and shield builds do really need that extra heavy attack returns)

So using medium armor and pretending Im wearing heavy, didnt work, at all.
I had 30/27k resistances, 1800 ish crit resist, yet I was getting bursted down in seconds anyways.
I had to play like I was some kind of glass cannon build.
A stamblade managed to dizzy swing me for 7k.

CP or no cp?
Having high resist and such doesn't mean anything unless you have a proper CP setup. What do you have in Ironclad, Elemental Defender and Hardy?

I have plenty of points in those CP trees.
(tried it only in CP campaigns so far, today Im gonna test the build in no-cp and see if anything is different)
I do have heavy armor builds with much less resistances ,yet they do feel more tanky because of higher max hp and better heals.
(I do have 51 in ironclad, 37 in hardy, 37 in elemental defender,Im only CP 540 at the moment, for my current level I think I did a nice job with the CP I have.)

Waffennacht · November 2017

@Lexxypwns if one of my guild masters shows up we can do it

I think I'm going back with DW, SnB is nice, but I think I prefer the dots and bleed of DW.

Selene vs Veli?

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

tried my medium brass build in no-cp for another day.

result: it still sucks. lol.

Waffennacht · November 2017

Finished my brass build. Love it, absolutely love it. Just ran through BGs and Duels, was wrecking faces everywhere.

What I realized was, if I got all this resistance, I don't need all that health. When not in PvP I have 13k health lol

Jake1576 · November 2017

I tried this set on my character and mighty chudan and transformed into a werewolf It gave me over 50k + physical and 50k + spell resistance it's a good set if you are looking to stack high resistance but 50k+ physical and 50k spell resistance is above the cap I think really no need to have that much

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Finished my brass build. Love it, absolutely love it. Just ran through BGs and Duels, was wrecking faces everywhere.

What I realized was, if I got all this resistance, I don't need all that health. When not in PvP I have 13k health lol

It definitely reminds me of old black rose in a sense, black rose allowed us to play like medium armor in heavy.
this does the opposite.
Yet I just get the feeling even with all that resistances Im still squishy.
Gonna try running it with ravager today, with max stam-regen food like you did.
I don't want to give up on it yet, I will tell how it goes.

Derra · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

To elaborate on the choice between riposte and brass, its rather simple for me, brass loses its appeal on if you don't have 2 weapon slots front bar. This means you can no longer wear 5 brass on body to get the bonuses on both bars while keeping an offensive set active on your front bar plus an undaunted 2pc. For me, that's a non-starter, since brass doesn't give sustain or damage its basically impossible to justify wearing it as your only 5pc set. I think it shines as a utility set on builds that use DW or SnB front bar, whereas riposte is the go to choice for destro/resto setups imo.

You can dabble around with armormaster backbar for that scenario aswell. It performs incredibly well in combination with harness on light armor builds.

casparian · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Finished my brass build. Love it, absolutely love it. Just ran through BGs and Duels, was wrecking faces everywhere.

What I realized was, if I got all this resistance, I don't need all that health. When not in PvP I have 13k health lol

Did you end up going DW?

Maryal · November 2017

I'm tired .... I thought the title was fortified bras ....lol

VaranisArano · November 2017

Maryal wrote: »

I'm tired .... I thought the title was fortified bras ....lol

That's the new Telvanni Master Wizard Armor costume. Fortified bra is exactly what that does to my female characters.

Waffennacht · November 2017

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

Ashamray · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

What about dealing with high magicka pressure?
Like LA penetration + constant eledrain + some CP pen or sharp weapon. Aaaand plus Soul Assault?

Waffennacht · November 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

What about dealing with high magicka pressure?
Like LA penetration + constant eledrain + some CP pen or sharp weapon. Aaaand plus Soul Assault?

Well I played against some mNBs Sorcs and mDKs. Against sorc and dk Purge is (ritual) amazing (curse removal)

Just about that penetration, first would be, even with all that up I still would have 15-18k resistance, which is 24% mitigation and they gave up all that spell DMG for penetration - I'm coming out way ahead. 2nd would be those builds gave up ALOT for very little against all mag builds.

I also have 4.4k (4k without DMG glyph proc) so my pressure is just as high (now imagine if it was a red guard) I melt such offensive builds.

I went for a more bleed oriented build to really hurt permablockers. The DoT DMG is pretty high.

I block against soul assault, or use repentance, of course if I'm low on Stam it's still gonna hurt or even kill but that's just how it is for all builds.

In Medium + CP you also get massive roll dodge cost reduction.

My bars are:

DW Rending, Javelin, Light, Jabs, and Vigor ult Dawn breaker
2H rally, ritual, stampede, little magicka return buff move, and shuffle ult repentance

Remember jabs takes NB outta cloak

Ashamray · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

What about dealing with high magicka pressure?
Like LA penetration + constant eledrain + some CP pen or sharp weapon. Aaaand plus Soul Assault?

Well I played against some mNBs Sorcs and mDKs. Against sorc and dk Purge is (ritual) amazing (curse removal)

Just about that penetration, first would be, even with all that up I still would have 15-18k resistance, which is 24% mitigation and they gave up all that spell DMG for penetration - I'm coming out way ahead. 2nd would be those builds gave up ALOT for very little against all mag builds.

I also have 4.4k (4k without DMG glyph proc) so my pressure is just as high (now imagine if it was a red guard) I melt such offensive builds.

I went for a more bleed oriented build to really hurt permablockers. The DoT DMG is pretty high.

I block against soul assault, or use repentance, of course if I'm low on Stam it's still gonna hurt or even kill but that's just how it is for all builds.

In Medium + CP you also get massive roll dodge cost reduction.

My bars are:

DW Rending, Javelin, Light, Jabs, and Vigor ult Dawn breaker
2H rally, ritual, stampede, little magicka return buff move, and shuffle ult repentance

Remember jabs takes NB outta cloak

Well, sounds like a solid build. But I'm not certain about your penetration thoughts, I ran 30k spell res for a very long time and magicka hit me just hard. Though it was before sharp changes, maybe indeed ppl do not stack penetrarion like they used to stack.

Waffennacht · November 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@casparian I did end up going DW/2H

After I mathed it up (and then farmed) I decided Automaton was the set for me.

x5 Automaton (jewelry, 1 armor, 1 weapon on DW)
x5 Brass
x2 monster (I'm currently using Velidreth because BGs, Skoria or Slime are other offensive options)

I decided I wanted all impen (which is a big part of going low health)

Unbuffed I sit at 3k wpn DMG (3.4 with automaton)
3k impen
2k Regen
33k Stam (maybe a bit more)
30k resistance

Buffed weapon damage reaches a real value of 4.4k wpn DMG (including wpn Glyph, brutality, and automaton)

Using Lava foot stomp.

The only real weakness, which I haven't encountered yet, would be the 2H ult (at least it's easy to avoid)

In PvP my health is 18k.

x2 wpn DMG Glyphs and x1 Regen, you can add more Regen here if you wanna hit 2.3k (though, because of the mad resistance my sustain is better than a pure offensive build)

I dueled a Lot of good players last night, won all but one (even then I could argue it was my playing that lost)

In BGs, I would 1vX very well, I run repentance back bar for emergencies (which I love going - Rally, then Repentance 6 secs pass, hit extended, then Rally again for a very nice follow up spot heal)

I'm actually thinking of making a guide for this.

What about dealing with high magicka pressure?
Like LA penetration + constant eledrain + some CP pen or sharp weapon. Aaaand plus Soul Assault?

Well I played against some mNBs Sorcs and mDKs. Against sorc and dk Purge is (ritual) amazing (curse removal)

Just about that penetration, first would be, even with all that up I still would have 15-18k resistance, which is 24% mitigation and they gave up all that spell DMG for penetration - I'm coming out way ahead. 2nd would be those builds gave up ALOT for very little against all mag builds.

I also have 4.4k (4k without DMG glyph proc) so my pressure is just as high (now imagine if it was a red guard) I melt such offensive builds.

I went for a more bleed oriented build to really hurt permablockers. The DoT DMG is pretty high.

I block against soul assault, or use repentance, of course if I'm low on Stam it's still gonna hurt or even kill but that's just how it is for all builds.

In Medium + CP you also get massive roll dodge cost reduction.

My bars are:

DW Rending, Javelin, Light, Jabs, and Vigor ult Dawn breaker
2H rally, ritual, stampede, little magicka return buff move, and shuffle ult repentance

Remember jabs takes NB outta cloak

Well, sounds like a solid build. But I'm not certain about your penetration thoughts, I ran 30k spell res for a very long time and magicka hit me just hard. Though it was before sharp changes, maybe indeed ppl do not stack penetrarion like they used to stack.

You nailed it with the sharpened changes. It's much harder, and usually just too costly to build for penetration now. You sacrifice Nirnhoned, which thanks to Transmutation is the go to. The buffs to Mundus choices make it even harder to choose lover, then penetration loses out to permablock and shieldstackers. Therefore it's very rare to see a build with any penetration outside of light armor or a sharpened 1h

fred4 · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

del9 wrote: »

Nerf this or Buff Armor Master. How does it make sense that armor master is 9 traits, yet you have to use/waste/slot an armor ability for virtually the same resistance (only 200 more on AM)? And 100% uptime isn't guaranteed?

9 traits vs 4 traits and I argue that Fortified brass is better. Please fix.

Armor master should be at least 15 seconds. That would make it a more appealing back bar option for people wanting to run 5/5/2/1 setups, be it with master's destro, asylum 2h, or whatever.

Indeed. As a shielding magblade, Armor Master would allow me to run it on my back bar only, while running staves and a 5/5/2 setup with a monster set. I always shield, thus it would always be up for when the shield gets broken through.

Also don't forget the additional health of Armor Master. Say you have Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your front bar, giving you 2x health bonuses from shadow passives, then Armor Master will help you balance your health.

In reality I find both of these sets somewhat underwhelming for my light armor build. Basically Riposte is a better option, since Fortified / Armor Master gives you about 12% mitigation after shields, whereas Riposte gives you 15% before shields (much better). I even prefer Impregnable, in CP, for the way it evens out burst.

In general I find resistances in the 10K to 20K range useless in PvP, since many people will flat out mitigate (most of) that. Fortified / Armor Master + 5K buffs will push light armor beyond that, but it still feels pretty "meh" in CP PvP, compared to other options. The story changes a bit when you consider boss farming in IC, since these two sets help with that, whereas Riposte / Transmutation / Impregnable do not. On the other hand, even solo boss farming is entirely viable without these sets. As for no CP, I find mitigation more valuable there and have, in fact, worn Fortified Brass there, but not explored all the options yet.

Waffennacht · November 2017

I have felt heavy has no use for fortified, and light should have better options, kinda makes it a medium choice... Just like in my shameless self plug The Brass Soldier and it totally is awesome