Half breed races and mix half and half racial bonuses?

Deathlord92

It would definitely create diversity in build which a lot of us want.

mairwen85

Deathlord92 wrote: »

It would definitely create diversity in build which a lot of us want.

It wouldn't though. It would establish a much more narrow meta.

Deathlord92

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I really wish we could use the passives we see fit to use on our characters. I really enjoy using Dark Elves, but I would rather much have sustain over the extra damage.

Same here I really enjoy playing a Breton stamblade but I’d much rather having Nordic racial passives or even just that max stamina passive.

TheShadowScout

storm105 wrote: »

The lore book does not say the race is always the mother. It's one of the lore books that is constantly being misquoted. What it actually says is generally the child is the race of the mother. The fact that generally is used means it isn't the rule it's just the norm...

True, it does say "generally" and so there are exceptions to that rule - about maybe a handful at best throughout All the millenia of Tamriel history. Jager Tharn would be another (and the most prominent I reckon) example of a "mixed race" NPC.
But at this level of rarity... well, its pretty clear that this is something reserved for NPC backstories, not player characters, for which the old lore line would be the measure, don't 'cha think?

mairwen85 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

It would definitely create diversity in build which a lot of us want.

It wouldn't though. It would establish a much more narrow meta.

This.
Exactly this.

Now, as I keep saying, it would make sense to add more pasives - after all, race should be different in TES lore, but... it should not be the only thing that works into a character background; it really ought to make a difference what our characters did in all the time before they start adventuring, if they were growing up as a weak but brainy nerd, reading books in a library all day, or if they were trained as warrior from an early age... and those things would not be "racial", but individual perks, and thus freely selectable, resulting in the "nord mage" or "breton warrior" possibilities many people would enjoy... not through cherry-picking -racial- passives, but through adding another set of passives that can balance and overshadow racial ones.

And then... maybe add some sort of attribute softcaps again, so that for that, all the racial advantages just give your characters a head start, and not a bonus on top. As it was in previous TES games.

That might get the "build diversity" options many people want. Without throwing the lore in the trashcan or making all races mean nothing but looks anymore.

storm105

TheShadowScout wrote: »

storm105 wrote: »

The lore book does not say the race is always the mother. It's one of the lore books that is constantly being misquoted. What it actually says is generally the child is the race of the mother. The fact that generally is used means it isn't the rule it's just the norm...

True, it does say "generally" and so there are exceptions to that rule - about maybe a handful at best throughout All the millenia of Tamriel history. Jager Tharn would be another (and the most prominent I reckon) example of a "mixed race" NPC.
But at this level of rarity... well, its pretty clear that this is something reserved for NPC backstories, not player characters, for which the old lore line would be the measure, don't 'cha think?

I actually feel it's the opposite. The mother line is just there to explain why we don't see a lot of mixed NPCs in-game(surely port cites and ones near the boarder would have a lot of mixing. Places like dragon star should have a lot of Nord Redguard mixes.) But leaves the possibility of exceptions for roleplay purposes. I just dont see how to balance it with gameplay though.

pod88kk

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Deathlord92

TheShadowScout wrote: »

storm105 wrote: »

The lore book does not say the race is always the mother. It's one of the lore books that is constantly being misquoted. What it actually says is generally the child is the race of the mother. The fact that generally is used means it isn't the rule it's just the norm...

True, it does say "generally" and so there are exceptions to that rule - about maybe a handful at best throughout All the millenia of Tamriel history. Jager Tharn would be another (and the most prominent I reckon) example of a "mixed race" NPC.
But at this level of rarity... well, its pretty clear that this is something reserved for NPC backstories, not player characters, for which the old lore line would be the measure, don't 'cha think?

mairwen85 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

It would definitely create diversity in build which a lot of us want.

It wouldn't though. It would establish a much more narrow meta.

This.
Exactly this.

Now, as I keep saying, it would make sense to add more pasives - after all, race should be different in TES lore, but... it should not be the only thing that works into a character background; it really ought to make a difference what our characters did in all the time before they start adventuring, if they were growing up as a weak but brainy nerd, reading books in a library all day, or if they were trained as warrior from an early age... and those things would not be "racial", but individual perks, and thus freely selectable, resulting in the "nord mage" or "breton warrior" possibilities many people would enjoy... not through cherry-picking -racial- passives, but through adding another set of passives that can balance and overshadow racial ones.

And then... maybe add some sort of attribute softcaps again, so that for that, all the racial advantages just give your characters a head start, and not a bonus on top. As it was in previous TES games.

That might get the "build diversity" options many people want. Without throwing the lore in the trashcan or making all races mean nothing but looks anymore.

I like this idea to my Breton is 100% assassin not a mage.

Deathlord92

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Because there arent any documented accounts of successful interbreeding in the lore.

Except for Bretons (Aldmer/Nede) and Imperials (Nede/Nord).

The Grey Prince from TES: IV was an Orc whose father was Colovian (western Imperial).

I meant between the current Races. By the way, Nedes and Nords are practically the same thing. In fact the Nords are Nedic descendants. Which one is it, "Racial Phylogeny"? That states there is no official record of a successful birth between two interbreeding Races, even so it's hypothesized it may still be possible but a true "Half Breed" won't be born. It claims the child will always take after the genes of it's Mother, while only being given subtle genetic traits of the Father. ie. A female Nord with a male Elf will always give birth to a Nord, even if the baby Nord comes out quite Magically gifted.

Except Nedes and Nords aren't the same thing. Don't know about you, but I've been to upper Craglorn, and I can tell you that Dragonstar Arena's Nordic architecture is very distinct from Skyreach's Nedic architecture. That's without delving into differences in culture.

Actually lamea bal is a nede she looks very Nordic to me just one of many.

Cirantille

That would be very ugly
And non-lore friendly

Deathlord92

Cirantille wrote: »

That would be very ugly
And non-lore friendly

Guess Tobias who nord/imperial not lore friendly then same for pelagius septim an imperial/altmer.

storm105

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That would be very ugly
And non-lore friendly

Guess Tobias who nord/redguard not lore friendly then same for pelagius septim an imperial/altmer.

Tobias was half Nord half imperial but was from the game Redguard ;where he was a close friend and former mentor of the protagonist ,Cyrus. And Pelagius thing is a bit of an inconsistany. First he was a Breton not anything else btw and one book says his mother was a member of clan direnni and the book wolf queen list his mother as an imperial Empress named Hellena.

Deathlord92

storm105 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That would be very ugly
And non-lore friendly

Guess Tobias who nord/redguard not lore friendly then same for pelagius septim an imperial/altmer.

Tobias was half Nord half imperial but was from the game Redguard ;where he was a close friend and former mentor of the protagonist ,Cyrus. And Pelagius thing is a bit of an inconsistany. First he was a Breton not anything else btw and one book says his mother was a member of clan direnni and the book wolf queen list his mother as an imperial Empress named Hellena.

My bad yeah I forgot he was half imperial I don’t know why I put redguard lmao.

Sergykid

mairwen85 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

It would definitely create diversity in build which a lot of us want.

It wouldn't though. It would establish a much more narrow meta.

yes and further it would become overwhelming when building a character for max efficiency.

Deathlord92

storm105 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That would be very ugly
And non-lore friendly

Guess Tobias who nord/redguard not lore friendly then same for pelagius septim an imperial/altmer.

Tobias was half Nord half imperial but was from the game Redguard ;where he was a close friend and former mentor of the protagonist ,Cyrus. And Pelagius thing is a bit of an inconsistany. First he was a Breton not anything else btw and one book says his mother was a member of clan direnni and the book wolf queen list his mother as an imperial Empress named Hellena.

I’m gonna correct my mistake 👍

StormeReigns

Mmm my head canon Harponian will one day come true.