Half breed races and mix half and half racial bonuses?

Chufu

I found a cute story between an orcish woman and a redguard men, who loved each other (Rivenspire Public Dungeon). I always tried to imagine how their babies would look like.

But as long as most of you don't find Orcs sexy, I don't believe there could be half-orcs anyway.

Could imagine that more to khajiit and all other races, but @ZOS_Wrobel would be in trouble then for creating new passives

The_Smilemeister

ArchMikem wrote: »

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Because there arent any documented accounts of successful interbreeding in the lore.

Except for Bretons (Aldmer/Nede) and Imperials (Nede/Nord).

The Grey Prince from TES: IV was an Orc whose father was Colovian (western Imperial).

I meant between the current Races. By the way, Nedes and Nords are practically the same thing. In fact the Nords are Nedic descendants. Which one is it, "Racial Phylogeny"? That states there is no official record of a successful birth between two interbreeding Races, even so it's hypothesized it may still be possible but a true "Half Breed" won't be born. It claims the child will always take after the genes of it's Mother, while only being given subtle genetic traits of the Father. ie. A female Nord with a male Elf will always give birth to a Nord, even if the baby Nord comes out quite Magically gifted.

Except Nedes and Nords aren't the same thing. Don't know about you, but I've been to upper Craglorn, and I can tell you that Dragonstar Arena's Nordic architecture is very distinct from Skyreach's Nedic architecture. That's without delving into differences in culture.

Korah_Eaglecry

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Because there arent any documented accounts of successful interbreeding in the lore.

Except for Bretons (Aldmer/Nede) and Imperials (Nede/Nord).

The Grey Prince from TES: IV was an Orc whose father was Colovian (western Imperial).

I meant between the current Races. By the way, Nedes and Nords are practically the same thing. In fact the Nords are Nedic descendants. Which one is it, "Racial Phylogeny"? That states there is no official record of a successful birth between two interbreeding Races, even so it's hypothesized it may still be possible but a true "Half Breed" won't be born. It claims the child will always take after the genes of it's Mother, while only being given subtle genetic traits of the Father. ie. A female Nord with a male Elf will always give birth to a Nord, even if the baby Nord comes out quite Magically gifted.

Except Nedes and Nords aren't the same thing. Don't know about you, but I've been to upper Craglorn, and I can tell you that Dragonstar Arena's Nordic architecture is very distinct from Skyreach's Nedic architecture. That's without delving into differences in culture.

They are genetically one and the same. Both are descendants of Atmorans, Nedes being the earlier Atmoran immigrants from the Merethic Era. Culturally they might have deviated but not enough that they werent absorbed by new Atmoran immigrants arriving post-1st Era. Interestingly enough Imperials originally werent meant to be a separate race. Rather a separate culture from the Nords.

SaintSubwayy

dam it, I always wanted my cat to have scales and a fatter tail
or and argoinan with furr, just awesome

THWIP71

DRXHarbinger

WTB Imperial argonian tank.

Flameheart

Even exotic sex won't help hybrid builds :-)

Dread_Viking

well bretons are half breed so we do have a half breed race

Everstorm

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Can you imagine the balancing issus due to this unholy heretical idea??

Since when is that a concern for ZOS? I predict they will push this live tomorrow after testing it during a coffeebreak.

CardboardedBox

generalmyrick wrote: »

i thought bretons were elf/humans?

and orcs were elf/??? too?

Orcs pretty much are just as much elf as dark elves. Both races looked significantly more.....I don't know, pretty? at one point in time, but their visual appearance was corrupted.

Banana

Gross

CardboardedBox

Lets all make argonian dark elf hybrids!

Deathlord92

Yes please I love this idea as someone who mains a Breton stamblade I would finally get them stam racial passives. I have always thought of my Bretons human side Nordic from a nerdy role play point of view some of the nedes look very Nordic lamea bal for example.

TheShadowScout

AcadianPaladin

Allow the player to choose the race of their mother. That would determine physical appearance. Then allow the player to choose the race of her father. Then let the player pick and choose any four of the eight racials that can be conveyed by the two chosen races.

Basically, this is what I did in Oblivion. My elf's mother was a Bosmer but her father was a Breton. She was pure Bosmer (like her mother) but had a mixture of racial traits from the two races. In her case, that translated to a wood elf with a bit more magical aptitude than usually found among wood elves but she was absolutely clueless when it came to any melee weaponry.

If some sort of 'penalty' was felt necessary to compensate for being a half-breed, then only allow the character to choose three of the eight possible racials.

TheShadowScout

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Allow the player to choose the race of their mother. That would determine physical appearance. Then allow the player to choose the race of her father. Then let the player pick and choose...

Didn't pay attention, huh?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Froil wrote: »

There is interbreeding between all races. The rule of thumb for it is the offspring is usually the race of the mother, though it can sometimes be the race of the father. Interbreeding between men and mer results in fertile offspring, a good example of which is the Bretons. Interbreeding with Khajiits and Argonians and any man or mer might produce offspring but are infertile themselves

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

That's it exactly.
The relevant paret would be:

Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

So, following that bir of lore, all the "halfbreeds" have mommies racial traits, and only -traces- (not traits) of the father.
Like, for example, a dunmer with their mothers dunmer traits may have the nord daddies blue and definitely not-red eyes; or a altmer with mommies altmer traits may have breton daddies black hair, or a Imperial with mommies imperial traits may have redguard daddies dusky skin, and so on. Not quite sure where the horns on some bosmer come from tho...

You can read up the lore too: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

So... ractial -traits- are always mommy, and appearance may be mixed to show "traces" of daddy.
And that's the rule of TES lore!

What -would- be something I might enjoy seeing in this regard could be "apprarance unlocks" allowing characters to pick cross-racial appearance options like hair color, eye color, skin color... perhaps even some structural ones, like making a extra tall half-nord bosmer, or an extra-small half-bosmer altmer, or whatever.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

...that translated to a wood elf with a bit more magical aptitude than usually found among wood elves but she was absolutely clueless when it came to any melee weaponry.

And that too should be an option.
But NOT by cherry-picking racial passives... I'd much rather they leave those as they are, but add a new set of passives on top. Like... passives that represent a characters birthplace, childhood, life before adventuring... but I posted that before: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/442350/character-background-passives

MartiniDaniels

Lol, I wanna orc-dunmer, and pick double WD bonus I'm ready to sacrifice sprint speed, fire resistance, spell damage and even HP if that will be allowed

Kiyakotari

ArchMikem wrote: »

Because there arent any documented accounts of successful interbreeding in the lore.

I reference:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Froil wrote: »

There is interbreeding between all races. The rule of thumb for it is the offspring is usually the race of the mother, though it can sometimes be the race of the father. Interbreeding between men and mer results in fertile offspring, a good example of which is the Bretons. Interbreeding with Khajiits and Argonians and any man or mer might produce offspring but are infertile themselves

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

That's it exactly.
The relevant paret would be:

Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

So, following that bir of lore, all the "halfbreeds" have mommies racial traits, and only -traces- (not traits) of the father.
Like, for example, a dunmer with their mothers dunmer traits may have the nord daddies blue and definitely not-red eyes; or a altmer with mommies altmer traits may have breton daddies black hair, or a Imperial with mommies imperial traits may have redguard daddies dusky skin, and so on. Not quite sure where the horns on some bosmer come from tho...

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

whether or not mixed races are officially possible in terms of lore, I think it would be too complicated for the MMO at this point

And yes, the powers that be presumably wrote this piece into their lore for that exact reason - so people wouldn't bother them with demands for letting them cherry-pick their racial passives on an "halfbreed" excuse.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

...and we all know that the Bretons are a mix of human and elven...

True as it goes - it can be theorized that maybe races were more fluid in prior eras, leading to the bretons forming from intermingling direnni elves and nede men, or the bosmer diverging from the aldmer bloodline, et cetera. Or that there were unmentioned magical interferences, like the documented ones behind the orsimer or dunmer...
But since we know the races we have now in ESO will pretty much not change in the coming millenia... because they are still pretty much the same in TES:V-Skyrim... well, you get the idea, it may have been different in times long past, but in the second era and following times, the races as we know it and that certain "mommies traits" rule will hold true.

...

In that spirit... we do not need any "half-half" passives... but we -could- use a crown bought unlock to let characters pick appearance coloring options not usually available for their race. Like the black haired altmer for example. Because halfbreed.

Ah, you beat me to it!

storm105

TheShadowScout wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Allow the player to choose the race of their mother. That would determine physical appearance. Then allow the player to choose the race of her father. Then let the player pick and choose...

Didn't pay attention, huh?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Froil wrote: »

There is interbreeding between all races. The rule of thumb for it is the offspring is usually the race of the mother, though it can sometimes be the race of the father. Interbreeding between men and mer results in fertile offspring, a good example of which is the Bretons. Interbreeding with Khajiits and Argonians and any man or mer might produce offspring but are infertile themselves

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

That's it exactly.
The relevant paret would be:

Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

So, following that bir of lore, all the "halfbreeds" have mommies racial traits, and only -traces- (not traits) of the father.
Like, for example, a dunmer with their mothers dunmer traits may have the nord daddies blue and definitely not-red eyes; or a altmer with mommies altmer traits may have breton daddies black hair, or a Imperial with mommies imperial traits may have redguard daddies dusky skin, and so on. Not quite sure where the horns on some bosmer come from tho...

You can read up the lore too: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

So... ractial -traits- are always mommy, and appearance may be mixed to show "traces" of daddy.
And that's the rule of TES lore!

What -would- be something I might enjoy seeing in this regard could be "apprarance unlocks" allowing characters to pick cross-racial appearance options like hair color, eye color, skin color... perhaps even some structural ones, like making a extra tall half-nord bosmer, or an extra-small half-bosmer altmer, or whatever.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

...that translated to a wood elf with a bit more magical aptitude than usually found among wood elves but she was absolutely clueless when it came to any melee weaponry.

And that too should be an option.
But NOT by cherry-picking racial passives... I'd much rather they leave those as they are, but add a new set of passives on top. Like... passives that represent a characters birthplace, childhood, life before adventuring... but I posted that before: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/442350/character-background-passives

The lore book does not say the race is always the mother. It's one of the lore books that is constantly being misquoted. What it actually says is generally the child is the race of the mother. The fact that generally is used means it isn't the rule it's just the norm. We even have a few examples. Tobias from Redguard is often refered to as a Nord or half Nord and clearly takes after his Nord father rather than his imperial mother.

Deathlord92

Hehe I can only hope that cross races are one day considered Breton half Nord would be so awesome.

ArchMikem

If it were an option EVERYONE would be a hybrid only because they'd take advantage of mix matching Racial passives. That's not kosher to the Lore and Immersion.

Pheefs

Froil wrote: »

There is interbreeding between all races.

& Dunmer are especially fertile with other races (more so than with other dunmer) but the females only have a few chances to bear children in their entire looooong lifespan so most choose NOT to breed out

there's even that Nord with a Dunmer wife & a couple sons in ESO

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

whether or not mixed races are officially possible in terms of lore, I think it would be too complicated for the MMO at this point

Yeah & how much good would a long list of half-bonuses really be?
however... pick & choose from the bonus list like an old-timey custom character though? SO MUCH YES
& my bosmer breton hybrid would be adorable

AcadianPaladin

Would actually much prefer to dump racials entirely and, at character creation let you choose features somewhat similar to what we currently might call 'racials' to really customize your character. Gee, that would be a lot like previous ES games and encourage race selection for roleplay instead of stat reasons. I realize that ship has sailed though and ESO will most surely continue with its restrictive and inferior system.

TheShadowScout

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Would actually much prefer to dump racials entirely and, at character creation let you choose features somewhat similar to what we currently might call 'racials' to really customize your character...

...which then would result in -everyone- and their granny picking the same set of "super-effective" passives for their characters build.
No diversity anymore.

No, thanks.

I'd much prefer to keep the racials and -add- more (fully selectable) options to allow breaking out of the "you must be this race to play that" and the "if you are this race you must play that" thing... but I said that before, haven't I?
Like: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/442350/character-background-passives

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Gee, that would be a lot like previous ES games...

No, that statement is wrong.
Previous TES games HAD racial differences, some quite telling ones too in some cases. They had altmer that were always better at magic then swordplay thanks to their racial perks, and redguards that were always better at swordplay then magic thanks to their racial perks.
ESO just continued this lore-conforming patterns... in a different set of game mechanics...

And a big difference is that in older TES games, attributes were capped at 100, so a racial bonus only let you reach the top sooner, nothing more (though there were -still- some racial perks unrelated to attrributes that were rather important, like resistances or special abilities...).
Not quite how it is in ESO, right?
Now, ESO may have overdone it and made racials too important.
Duh!
That's why we got so much rebalancing recently... and it might still need some more fine-turning in the future, but that I will let the developers strain their brain over.

But the basic "some races are better at some things" concept?
That one is -pure- elder scrolls!

You might have been thinking about birthsigns... which in previous TES games were selected at chargen and not changed at some stone in-game...

StormeReigns

TheShadowScout wrote: »

So stealing this...

Vlad9425

Good request for the next Elder Scrolls game but I don’t see how asking for something like this to be added so late into the ESO life cycle is even justifiable...

AbysmalGhul

I really wish we could use the passives we see fit to use on our characters. I really enjoy using Dark Elves, but I would rather much have sustain over the extra damage.

MLGProPlayer

ArchMikem wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

i thought bretons were elf/humans?

and orcs were elf/??? too?

Bretons yes. Generations of Humans and Direnni Elves mingling to make a slightly more magical Human.

Orcs though i think are just Orcs. Theyre their own Mer.

Orcs are goblins. Come at me.

AbysmalGhul

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

i thought bretons were elf/humans?

and orcs were elf/??? too?

Bretons yes. Generations of Humans and Direnni Elves mingling to make a slightly more magical Human.

Orcs though i think are just Orcs. Theyre their own Mer.

Orcs are goblins. Come at me.

A goblin is a goon. Come at me

mairwen85

Holy necro (ironic) batman!