What’s with the JUNK crafted sets in clock city?

Chronicburn

2 of the 3 sets are garbage... mixing stam and magik boosts and spell and weapon dmg boosts on the same sets?

ZoS knows damn well this makes them useless to 99% of players because the way they separate the damage of abilities into spell/magiKa and weapon/stamina.

The third set looks ok but for tanks only.

What’s the deal?

idk

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Seriously. What one dislikes greatly there is likely someone who really thinks the set is cool.

SydneyGrey

Whenever they release a new DLC, they're terrified of it being labeled "Pay-To-Win" by us fans, so they make things like found sets mediocre instead of awesome.
At least that's my theory about it.

lagrue

idk wrote: »

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Seriously. What one dislikes greatly there is likely someone who really thinks the set is cool.

Being cool in theory, and being actually practical are two entirely different things though.

These sets are junk mechanically, and that is a fact. Somebody thinking they're cool won't change that.

Jeremy

idk wrote: »

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Seriously. What one dislikes greatly there is likely someone who really thinks the set is cool.

This.

For example: I really like the Innate Axiom set. It gives a nice offensive boost to builds that rely primarily on class skills to do damage. Very handy. So not sure what's not to like about the new sets.

Chronicburn

Jeremy wrote: »

idk wrote: »

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Seriously. What one dislikes greatly there is likely someone who really thinks the set is cool.

This.

For example: I really like the Innate Axiom set. It gives a nice offensive boost to builds that rely primarily on class skills to do damage. Very handy. So not sure what's not to like about the new sets.

Half the stuff on the set is useless... the weap and stam boosts are useless to magik user and vice versa. How is that good?

idk

Just looked at the sets. My comment hold very true.

They're hybrid sets it seems. It is right and good that Zos adds hybrid sets some times and there are few hybrid craftable sets.

One mans junk is another mans treasure. Play as you want.

Chronicburn

Hybrid builds don’t work based on the damage system

Chronicburn

Or at least how about a magika set and a stam set too then? 2 hybrid sets and nothing for the majority? Not good.

shinikaze

I do like the fact thtat both sets give stam and magicka... I am always starving for magicka :c

WillhelmBlack

Chronicburn wrote: »

Hybrid builds don’t work based on the damage system

I've seen a lot work.

idk

Chronicburn wrote: »

Hybrid builds don’t work based on the damage system

This comment is very incorrect.

They may it work for purely high dps but they do work for PvP. Some of those players that have killed you are hybrids.

It's also irrelevant if you don't care for hybrids since others so ans have fu. With them. It's narrow minded to think everyone is into clearlong all the HM trials.

Jeremy

Chronicburn wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

idk wrote: »

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Seriously. What one dislikes greatly there is likely someone who really thinks the set is cool.

This.

For example: I really like the Innate Axiom set. It gives a nice offensive boost to builds that rely primarily on class skills to do damage. Very handy. So not sure what's not to like about the new sets.

Half the stuff on the set is useless... the weap and stam boosts are useless to magik user and vice versa. How is that good?

Stamina is not useless though, especially if you play as a Templar Tank frequently like I do. And the set gives both weapon/spell critical and spell/weapon damage. That's how a number of sets operate on this game. They give mirrored values of both so it can be used by either build.

Is there another crafted set that gives that much spell damage to all my Templar class abilities? Because if there is I haven't seen it. So it doesn't seem like the addition of both spell and weapon damage to the 5 set bonus has caused the developers to decrease the value any.

Chronicburn

Still doesn’t explain the lack of stam/wpn or mag/spell sets ...

idk

3 craftable sets were added. One with tanks in mind, a straight up hybrid sets a hybrid proc set.

That's why Zos didn't add another pure build set.

That explains it. It's the answer to your last question.

Turelus

Pure builds have loads of sets already including all the end game sets, I think it's okay if we let hybrids have a few more.

Jeremy

Chronicburn wrote: »

Still doesn’t explain the lack of stam/wpn or mag/spell sets ...

I believe the mistake you are making is you presume when a set gives both spell and weapon damage that somehow means the value is being cut in half to accommodate the dual stat. That doesn't seem to be the case.

For example; even a fully divine/Legendary Mundus Stone bonus to spell power gives around the same (actually it might be a little less) than the spell power bonus Innate Axiom gives to class abilities.

Chronicburn

Turelus wrote: »

Pure builds have loads of sets already including all the end game sets, I think it's okay if we let hybrids have a few more.

As do hybrids

code65536

So... is Twice-Born Star a hybrid set? Since, you know, it grants both max magicka and stamina? Strange, then, that for such a long time, this "hybrid" set known as TBS was the meta for DPS, finally getting knocked off its pedestal earlier this year with the changes to War Horn in the Homestead patch.

A set granting both types of stats doesn't make it hybrid. It just makes the set more universally usable by both stam and magicka. In the case of TBS, the question was whether or not the 5p was worth a "wasted" set bonus. And it definitely was.

You "lose" one set bonus in Mechanical Acuity, but gain a unique 5p bonus. If you're running around with, say, 50% crit chance (since nobody uses Thief these days), this effectively adds 50% crit chance with an uptime of somewhere around 25%. This is effectively a gain of 12.5% crit chance overall. In contrast, the 5p bonus on Mother's Sorrow adds 8.8% crit chance. Is this 5p worth a wasted set bonus? I'm not sure--I haven't tested it. But it's certainly not a clear-cut "no".

Or Innate Axiom. For magicka classes in PvP, much of their outgoing damage come from class skills. This is particularly true for mag DKs, where almost all of their outgoing damage comes from class skills. Furthermore, stam is not a wasted stat for magicka characters in PvP because you need stamina to free yourself from CC. You kill a magicka player in PvP by draining their stamina and then locking them down. This is why seemingly "hybrid" sets like Amber Plasm and Shacklebreaker are actually BiS sets for magicka players in PvP. Innate Axiom is far from useless--it's probably the new BiS set for mag DKs in PvP, I'd imagine.

Ironically, if you were to ask me which of the three sets is most useless, I would've pointed at the tank set. Resistance is an overrated stat, it's a "selfish" set, and it doesn't compare well against other "selfish" tank sets in the game.

Chronicburn

And why doesn’t anyone use thief these days? Because they nerf anything people like?

code65536

Chronicburn wrote: »

And why doesn’t anyone use thief these days? Because they nerf anything people like?

Because Thief was nerfed into the ground while others were buffed.

Jeremy

Chronicburn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Pure builds have loads of sets already including all the end game sets, I think it's okay if we let hybrids have a few more.

As do hybrids

I really wouldn't describe Innate Axiom as a hybrid set just because it has a little stamina on it.

It's more like a set designed for those who focus on using class skills to do damage with etc.

jaws343

Jeremy wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

Still doesn’t explain the lack of stam/wpn or mag/spell sets ...

I believe the mistake you are making is you presume when a set gives both spell and weapon damage that somehow means the value is being cut in half to accommodate the dual stat. That doesn't seem to be the case.

For example; even a fully divine/Legendary Mundus Stone bonus to spell power gives around the same (actually it might be a little less) than the spell power bonus Innate Axiom gives to class abilities.

Exactly this. There seems to be this weird belief that somehow if a set like Innate Axiom were focused on either stam or magicka it would be more powerful. But 400 weapon and spell damage is not going to be 800 damage if it were focused on only weapon or spell damage. And the max stamina is great for PVP. And I like sets like these that provide flexibility to be used by either magic or stamina users.

I personally plan on using Innate Axiom paired with Necro for my Mag Warden in PVP.

Loc2262

Turelus wrote: »

Pure builds have loads of sets already including all the end game sets, I think it's okay if we let hybrids have a few more.

This. There's only so many combinations of set bonuses available, so it's probably not easy to come up with something new for each DLC.

idk

I think this thread has run its course and expect it's been a learning experience for some. Not trying to be condescending.

Chronicburn

Yeah learned there’s not much for stam or mag builds this patch and you guys are fine with it ...

Kanar

In PvE Mechanical acuity is ruined by the dual-focus set bonuses. These types of sets are only viable in PvP. So is zos just adding PvP sets now? Maybe this is the bone they threw to PvP for this update. I'd prefer the sets to focus on just stamina or just magicka, so that they're usable in PvE. Or even better the sets give the full four usable bonuses to both mag/stam.

Regarding Acuity vs Mother's Sorrow: so the new set is arguably (a stretch) as good as a different set that no one uses? Sounds great sign me up...

Taleof2Cities

Chronicburn wrote: »

Yeah learned there’s not much for my stam or mag builds this patch and you guys are fine with it ...

Fixed that for you ...

Raudgrani

Chronicburn wrote: »

2 of the 3 sets are garbage... mixing stam and magik boosts and spell and weapon dmg boosts on the same sets?

ZoS knows damn well this makes them useless to 99% of players because the way they separate the damage of abilities into spell/magiKa and weapon/stamina.

The third set looks ok but for tanks only.

What’s the deal?

Yeah, nobody likes Clever Alchemist either, or Shacklebreaker either. Pure trash.

Beardimus

If you cant see how the new sets would work, then they just aren't for you or your content. Enough people can, who get how to make then work, sure some of then are very build specific but they have their uses.

First time in a while all of them have a good use.

Turelus

Loc2262 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Pure builds have loads of sets already including all the end game sets, I think it's okay if we let hybrids have a few more.

This. There's only so many combinations of set bonuses available, so it's probably not easy to come up with something new for each DLC.

They could always stop adding new sets every DLC? I mean really it's getting stupid at this point.