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How do you counter Eye of Easymode?
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭L2P, not being rude but 99% of the time people that complain about abilities are just bad at the game...practice more, everything has a counter play. It just takes time to learn...I rarely die from EotS because I streak away until it runs out, that's my counter. Every class has some way to counter it....
You obviously do not play a DK as they have no counter to it. They cannot run away from it and they cannot raise enough shields or heals to power through it without assistance from allies. I can heal through an EotS on my Templar. My NB plays mostly on Kyne where these destro ult ball groups are largely non-existent and fearing the rare unmorphed version of the skill almost always works. I cannot comment on Wardens.4 -
Bakkagami✭✭✭1. (probably the most important) Don't get bottlenecked ( groups that bomb will pull you into a funnel purposefully before bombing and it is extremely obvious)
2. Don't just stand there hoping you're healers are gods ( this is obvious but i see too many pugs just sit in EoS hoping they can light attack the caster to death before they die to dot or something)
3. this one's simple ROLL DODGE. Especially with the recent changes that give you root immunity roll dodging gives you more than enough time to get out of the storm, even better if you dodge on bow bar.
4. expanding on 3, DON'T MOVE IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE STORM. This is one of the dumbest maneuvers but i see it so often against EoS as well as Kena's lightning wall and other moving aoe. What makes people think that running in the same direction as the effect helps. Evading to the side or through the moving storm / effet will get you out of it much faster. Same reason you wouldn't evacuate a hurricane by moving along its projected path.
5. have a negate in group. this is easier in organized groups but a negate will save you / wreck the other side more times that you can count.
6. stun the user. since i'm usually pretty tanky i usually focus on doing this in my smaller groups but stunning the caster gives you and your group a couple seconds more to get further away. If you aren't as tanky just use ranged stuns, roots, and snares ( snares are extremely helpful against solid dedicated bombers that will use immovable pots before bombing)
Basically there are plenty of counters to EoS. If you are regularly dying to it, it's more than likely that you are putting yourself in the position to get wrecked and you should rethink your approach to those groups
More generally, too many people depend too much on gear to counter things and just adjust your playstyle/approach. avoiding damage > mitigating damage in just about every situation.4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
Bubba, I never said I died all the time did I?
The most common is a magblade bomber using destro alt and everyone has access to a strong gap closer via the 2H weapon line. But you would know that if you actually PvP and just don't troll forum calling everyone who points out a problem as bad.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Individuals with this stuff are not a big deal. It’s the ball groups. If you yourself are not in an equal ball group; the answer is to bypass them on the offensive and head to the objective.
Only time as a pug or just solo or surfing to engage them is to make them have to head to a keep and siege. Makes them have to split up or you can focus siege on them with negates. It’s just the best spot to get them standing still with you on the high ground3 -
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✭Aside from being on the opposite side of the map as the Eye of flame bomber groups, how are we supposed to counter this? Since not getting out of the way doesn't always work, I've tried to increase my resists. Buffed, I have about 25k magic resist and I have two flame resist glyphs on my jewelry. Thats well over 6k flame resist by itself. The damage is still out of control and I don't get why they made this ability so insane. Its the nuclear weapon of eso, thats for sure.
First, don't waste jewelry glyphs on resists. In general you want regen, cost reduction, or damage on all jewelry with very few exceptions.
Stamina builds can usually withstand maybe one or two medium strength destros with vigor+rally, but otherwise have no real way to mitigate the damage. Avoidance is key, and you should have the mobility to avoid it as a stam build. If a NB is spamming ambush against you, then you should be kiting him AWAY from his group and the path they are on. A lone bomber is commonly a dead bomber.
Magicka builds are in a little better shape to mitigate the damage. Shields and mist form are usually enough to completely tank a destro ult. If I'm alone and a small group/solo player uses a desto ult on me, I just shield and mistform then literally stand in the destro just so the perpetrator knows exactly how ineffective he is before I kill him...
If you are in the middle of a destro bomb group when they pop their storms and CC, then you will die pretty much instantly (unless you are a pretty good tank), but you also would have died if they showered you in meteors and dawnbreakers too, so... it's really about positioning and anticipating your opponents actions more than EOTS being OP.
Be aware of what your build can handle.
More often than not, certain builds are strong against a certain other class of builds and weak against others. So your staminaNB may do good in open world Run v X around trees, but has little to no defense against destro ball groups, so you keep your distance and try to separate the sheep from the herd with caltrops or other snares/roots. You can also wait for these groups to siege, and harass their line as they try to siege.
If half a destro group legit pops their ults at the same time and comes straight for you and you alone, then you can take solace in the fact that they viewed you as enough of a threat to warrant using that much overkill.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Junipus✭✭✭✭✭4. expanding on 3, DON'T MOVE IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE STORM. This is one of the dumbest maneuvers but i see it so often against EoS as well as Kena's lightning wall and other moving aoe. What makes people think that running in the same direction as the effect helps. Evading to the side or through the moving storm / effet will get you out of it much faster. Same reason you wouldn't evacuate a hurricane by moving along its projected path.
They must be southerners.The Legendary Nothing1 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
Bubba, I never said I died all the time did I?
The most common is a magblade bomber using destro alt and everyone has access to a strong gap closer via the 2H weapon line. But you would know that if you actually PvP and just don't troll forum calling everyone who points out a problem as bad.
Why would a magicka build with ANY SENSE behind it use a two hander? Dude literally all I do when I log on is PvP stop acting like because I don't fail as hard as you do that I must not play the game! You act like you die all the time to it acting like this is such a big issue. Spoiler warning, much like Soul Assault before it, EoTS only kills bad players 1 on 1 or gets kills because it's a part of a giant zerg and sugar, you ain't gonna survive teh giant zerg if you stand and fight regardless of whether they're all spamming an ultimate at the same time or just light attacking you.
See the issue is becoming all to apparent, your positioning and use of terrain must be absolute garbage so I'm gonna give you a freeby bit of advice there. Use line of sight, people won't be gap closing onto you, when they come round the tree, dodge roll through them and run in the opposite direction, remember to keep changing directions. You don't have to do it long, only a few seconds, you can manage to play with a degree of intelligence for a few seconds right?Edited by ParaNostram on November 6, 2017 4:50PM"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm1 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭not being a ***, or trolling..but BoL....honestly, I have bol'd myself and my group members through plenty of destro ults....GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
Bubba, I never said I died all the time did I?
The most common is a magblade bomber using destro alt and everyone has access to a strong gap closer via the 2H weapon line. But you would know that if you actually PvP and just don't troll forum calling everyone who points out a problem as bad.
Why would a magicka build with ANY SENSE behind it use a two hander? Dude literally all I do when I log on is PvP stop acting like because I don't fail as hard as you do that I must not play the game! You act like you die all the time to it acting like this is such a big issue. Spoiler warning, much like Soul Assault before it, EoTS only kills bad players 1 on 1 or gets kills because it's a part of a giant zerg and sugar, you ain't gonna survive teh giant zerg if you stand and fight regardless of whether they're all spamming an ultimate at the same time or just light attacking you.
See the issue is becoming all to apparent, your positioning and use of terrain must be absolute garbage so I'm gonna give you a freeby bit of advice there. Use line of sight, people won't be gap closing onto you, when they come round the tree, dodge roll through them and run in the opposite direction, remember to keep changing directions. You don't have to do it long, only a few seconds. I'm sure you're capable of playing with some level of intelligence for a couple seconds is well within your capabilities right?
That first sentence if yours. It’s picking up steam lately. Decent passive damage similar to dual wield plus momentum since snares are ridiculous in game right now2 -
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✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The single biggest thing I see people do that gets them killed by these groups is running away. Move left, right, or straight through the group--not away from it, where you stay in the aoe for more ticks as they move with you.
Relevant comic, though spoiling a movie from 5 years ago:
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13
#1 way walk through it. I can't count the number of times I've walked through the ball group.
They are more interested in chasing pugs.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
Bubba, I never said I died all the time did I?
The most common is a magblade bomber using destro alt and everyone has access to a strong gap closer via the 2H weapon line. But you would know that if you actually PvP and just don't troll forum calling everyone who points out a problem as bad.
Why would a magicka build with ANY SENSE behind it use a two hander? Dude literally all I do when I log on is PvP stop acting like because I don't fail as hard as you do that I must not play the game! You act like you die all the time to it acting like this is such a big issue. Spoiler warning, much like Soul Assault before it, EoTS only kills bad players 1 on 1 or gets kills because it's a part of a giant zerg and sugar, you ain't gonna survive teh giant zerg if you stand and fight regardless of whether they're all spamming an ultimate at the same time or just light attacking you.
See the issue is becoming all to apparent, your positioning and use of terrain must be absolute garbage so I'm gonna give you a freeby bit of advice there. Use line of sight, people won't be gap closing onto you, when they come round the tree, dodge roll through them and run in the opposite direction, remember to keep changing directions. You don't have to do it long, only a few seconds. I'm sure you're capable of playing with some level of intelligence for a couple seconds is well within your capabilities right?
Stop putting words in my mouth.
Who the hell was talking about magicka build and how do you know I fail?
You keep responding with personal attack wall of text about things I never even mentioned.
If you think ball groups running destro alt is good for the game then you are the problem.
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Ferrofluid✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
4/5 of the classes have magicka gap closers though not 2. Chains, streak, toppling charge, lotus fan. So there's that...
And then you have to consider that in no cp it's actually somewhat viable to run destro back bar on a stam build just for eye. Since ultis scales of your highest stats (stam/weapon dmg) or (mag/spell dmg) and you don't have cp buffing your physical damage. You can just run eye + buffs on back bar with 2h on front.a.k.a. Aps3 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »
Why would a magicka build with ANY SENSE behind it use a two hander?
I have 2 magica builds (different classes) using 2-hander.. oh, wait...Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭Edit: Accidental double postEdited by ParaNostram on November 6, 2017 5:09PM"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm1 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.
Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?
Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.
Sounds like if people don't have the same issues that you have you chalk it up to anything BUT your own ability as a player. "This move is OP!" "What? That person said she had no problem with it? Must not PvP then." "Must be sorc!"
Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
Bubba, I never said I died all the time did I?
The most common is a magblade bomber using destro alt and everyone has access to a strong gap closer via the 2H weapon line. But you would know that if you actually PvP and just don't troll forum calling everyone who points out a problem as bad.
Why would a magicka build with ANY SENSE behind it use a two hander? Dude literally all I do when I log on is PvP stop acting like because I don't fail as hard as you do that I must not play the game! You act like you die all the time to it acting like this is such a big issue. Spoiler warning, much like Soul Assault before it, EoTS only kills bad players 1 on 1 or gets kills because it's a part of a giant zerg and sugar, you ain't gonna survive teh giant zerg if you stand and fight regardless of whether they're all spamming an ultimate at the same time or just light attacking you.
See the issue is becoming all to apparent, your positioning and use of terrain must be absolute garbage so I'm gonna give you a freeby bit of advice there. Use line of sight, people won't be gap closing onto you, when they come round the tree, dodge roll through them and run in the opposite direction, remember to keep changing directions. You don't have to do it long, only a few seconds. I'm sure you're capable of playing with some level of intelligence for a couple seconds is well within your capabilities right?
Stop putting words in my mouth.
Who the hell was talking about magicka build and how do you know I fail?
You keep responding with personal attack wall of text about things I never even mentioned.
If you think ball groups running destro alt is good for the game then you are the problem.
We're talking about the destro staff ult, right? What builds use that? Hmmm... I wish I could just figure this out... Oh wait... Magicka builds use the destro ult? Then I guess we must be talking about Magicka builds unless hybrids became meta overnight!
I know you fail because you keep dying to Destro ults, next!
You keep responding saying "oh your experience isn't the same as me? Must be a sorc who doesn't PvP" (paraphrasing, and of course you cry about personal attacks coming your way)
Dude the death balls are a problem regardless. A single move that can easily be avoided if you don't stand in stupid? That isn't the problem. Skilled players don't die to Eye of the Storm, full stop. Death balls happen, have happened, will continue to happen, wanna know how you deal with them? Don't be in their path. Look around, be aware of your surroundings, and sometimes you'll get steamrolled caught off guard as happens to oh idk literally everyone and will keep happening regardless of what new sets and moves are implemented in the future."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ferrofluid wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Okay let's look at your nonsense soup real quick and break apart the ingredients. Gap closer spam for a magicka ult, well that is an issue with two classes? And that's only if they use their in kit gap closers, so magblades I can see it actually being an issue. If that is the case though, then you died to two moves and you're just that bad. Hell, even on my stamina DK with all the mobility of a rock dropped in cement a month ago still gets out of the way and doesn't die to EoTS. Fancy the [redacted] out of that *** right there!
4/5 of the classes have magicka gap closers though not 2. Chains, streak, toppling charge, lotus fan. So there's that...
And then you have to consider that in no cp it's actually somewhat viable to run destro back bar on a stam build just for eye. Since ultis scales of your highest stats (stam/weapon dmg) or (mag/spell dmg) and you don't have cp buffing your physical damage. You can just run eye + buffs on back bar with 2h on front.
Streak isn't a gap closer, and chains are not used very often from what I've seen (which is a shame they're fun). The only two proper magicka gap closers in kit are Toppling Charge and Lotus Fan. In regards to running eye on the backbar sounds like a waste to me but okay if people want to build their characters like that they're welcome to."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm1 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let me put it this way: Eye of the Storm / Potato / Easy-mode (it has many names) is used that often (or too often) because it has almost no counter - play. It is an AEO that you can not dodge or block.
- If you are fighting against small group or a solo player the only way to counter it is to out-heal it or use some dmg shield.
- If you are fighting against zerg-blob - just try to... run out/ roll-dodge of it as fast as possible, Often I was able to avoid it because after sometime zergs become predictable and you know where to run / roll dodge out of the way and not get killed.
Alternatively (if you are sorc) you can try to use Negate (although I am not entirely sure).
"Create a globe of magic suppression, dispelling enemy placed effects instantly."
I am not certain if the destro ultimate morph (Eye of the Storm - the one that follows you) counts as "enemy placed effect".Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on November 6, 2017 5:21PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭3. this one's simple ROLL DODGE. Especially with the recent changes that give you root immunity roll dodging gives you more than enough time to get out of the storm, even better if you dodge on bow bar.
4. expanding on 3, DON'T MOVE IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE STORM. This is one of the dumbest maneuvers but i see it so often against EoS as well as Kena's lightning wall and other moving aoe. What makes people think that running in the same direction as the effect helps. Evading to the side or through the moving storm / effet will get you out of it much faster. Same reason you wouldn't evacuate a hurricane by moving along its projected path.
This is the most effective method. Pop a shield and roll dodge through the player and storm. They cannot gap close to you if you are behind them.
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✭✭the Bombers that get you at back flag of keep. You have someone in group pop a negate. Healer pumps out some big heals. Run away, run through them whatever. You might live. Unless it’s the Emperor.2 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭A single storm I can handle. It's when cheese groups run 3-4 simultaneously that is nearly impossible to counter. It's been recomended numerous times to make EOTS damage non-stackable, but ZOS does nothing as usual.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!1 -
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✭Mephisto939 wrote: »A single storm I can handle. It's when cheese groups run 3-4 simultaneously that is nearly impossible to counter. It's been recomended numerous times to make EOTS damage non-stackable, but ZOS does nothing as usual.
Same, yes, yes and yes. Usually I PVP on lowbie toons who don't have the best gear, and in Vivec, it seems I'm a prime target for an "easy" kill being under 50. But it's really only when I get overwhelmed by more than one bomber that I don't survive.
Vigor or other heals help if you react fast enough. Invest in all the spell resistance you can get for your build. Be aware of when you're clumped too tight with your group--especially when you're just standing around waiting for the flag to flip--and just be aware of when you're in a position to get bombed helps a lot. Don't be easy prey for lazy pvp'ers.PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »A single storm I can handle. It's when cheese groups run 3-4 simultaneously that is nearly impossible to counter. It's been recomended numerous times to make EOTS damage non-stackable, but ZOS does nothing as usual.
And a group can drop 3 or 4 meteors on a person at the same time, or 3 or 4 dawnbreakers. You will die just as much as 3 or EotS. If a group dropped 4 novas on a flag or even 4 soul tethers into a group, people are going to die.
A good group could even layer unstable wall 4 or 5 times on a flag to melt anyone standing on it. One of my favorite ways to defend keeps is hit players with weakness to elements from above and lay down a wall of elements and drop oils. You can purge the oils but not the wall of elements. The purge sets up a false sense of security.
Hoenstly, Permafrost is a far more devastating ultimate. The stun and movement speed debuff is monstrous. 3 or 4 wardens running Permafrost into a keep would be insane.0 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »A single storm I can handle. It's when cheese groups run 3-4 simultaneously that is nearly impossible to counter. It's been recomended numerous times to make EOTS damage non-stackable, but ZOS does nothing as usual.
And a group can drop 3 or 4 meteors on a person at the same time, or 3 or 4 dawnbreakers. You will die just as much as 3 or EotS. If a group dropped 4 novas on a flag or even 4 soul tethers into a group, people are going to die.
A good group could even layer unstable wall 4 or 5 times on a flag to melt anyone standing on it. One of my favorite ways to defend keeps is hit players with weakness to elements from above and lay down a wall of elements and drop oils. You can purge the oils but not the wall of elements. The purge sets up a false sense of security.
Hoenstly, Permafrost is a far more devastating ultimate. The stun and movement speed debuff is monstrous. 3 or 4 wardens running Permafrost into a keep would be insane.
Wrong! 3-4 meteors/dawnbreakers can't chase me around the battlefield.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
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✭ParaNostram wrote: »Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »A single storm I can handle. It's when cheese groups run 3-4 simultaneously that is nearly impossible to counter. It's been recomended numerous times to make EOTS damage non-stackable, but ZOS does nothing as usual.
And a group can drop 3 or 4 meteors on a person at the same time, or 3 or 4 dawnbreakers. You will die just as much as 3 or EotS. If a group dropped 4 novas on a flag or even 4 soul tethers into a group, people are going to die.
A good group could even layer unstable wall 4 or 5 times on a flag to melt anyone standing on it. One of my favorite ways to defend keeps is hit players with weakness to elements from above and lay down a wall of elements and drop oils. You can purge the oils but not the wall of elements. The purge sets up a false sense of security.
Hoenstly, Permafrost is a far more devastating ultimate. The stun and movement speed debuff is monstrous. 3 or 4 wardens running Permafrost into a keep would be insane.
Wrong! 3-4 meteors/dawnbreakers can't chase me around the battlefield.
Meteors follow you and are undodgeable and allow the user to remain at a safe distance. My main point is that getting hit by multiple ultimates is supposed to kill you. And if you stay or move behind a EotS caster you cannot be gap closed to.
You can have 4 or 5 players cast inevitable detonation into a group of players and they either scatter or stay together and die. it isn't limited to ultimates.
Ultimately, what you can handle is one player. What you cannot handle is a coordinated group. Don't blame the ultimate. Don't blame anyone. Build a coordinated group and get better.0
