How do you counter Eye of Easymode?

Dr_Ganknstein

Aside from being on the opposite side of the map as the Eye of flame bomber groups, how are we supposed to counter this? Since not getting out of the way doesn't always work, I've tried to increase my resists. Buffed, I have about 25k magic resist and I have two flame resist glyphs on my jewelry. Thats well over 6k flame resist by itself. The damage is still out of control and I don't get why they made this ability so insane. Its the nuclear weapon of eso, thats for sure.

ParaNostram

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

Izaki

Snares.

TelvanniWizard

It was even recently nerfed...

Turelus

HP, Shields, GTFO.

Generally if people come running at me I don't stand there going "geee I wonder what will happe... oh.."

Maybe it's a Nightblade thing that I am always staying on the outskirts of combat.

dotme

I avoid farm groups (5-8 players all spamming destro ults, gap closers and roots at once) - If you see tower farmers like that, I'd just run away. Don't feed the trolls, and they'll go hungry.

For pain-train groups that roll over keep and outpost flags, I find a couple of defensive players running Razor Caltrops to kill their speed while others pour oil on them can often wipe the whole group. Coordination is key.

jlboozer

L2P, not being rude but 99% of the time people that complain about abilities are just bad at the game...practice more, everything has a counter play. It just takes time to learn...I rarely die from EotS because I streak away until it runs out, that's my counter. Every class has some way to counter it....

Strider__Roshin

Damage shields. Thanks is all.

Dr_Ganknstein

Like I said sometimes you can't get away and are instantly melted. Why is this ability so insane? Are we all supposed to be running this? Is that what they are trying to hint at?

DeadlyRecluse

The single biggest thing I see people do that gets them killed by these groups is running away. Move left, right, or straight through the group--not away from it, where you stay in the aoe for more ticks as they move with you.

Relevant comic, though spoiling a movie from 5 years ago:
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13

Erraln

Icky wrote: »

Like I said sometimes you can't get away and are instantly melted. Why is this ability so insane? Are we all supposed to be running this? Is that what they are trying to hint at?

Perhaps you should consider the Impenetrable trait?

TequilaFire

jlboozer wrote: »

L2P, not being rude but 99% of the time people that complain about abilities are just bad at the game...practice more, everything has a counter play. It just takes time to learn...I rarely die from EotS because I streak away until it runs out, that's my counter. Every class has some way to counter it....

Sorcs and streak....
I get out of the way unless taloned by bomber's buddies or the bomber keeps targeting me with gap closer.

Strider__Roshin

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.

Voxicity

Don't fight those groups. Unless you are 50+ players with sorcs using negate and using your own eye of the flames, they won't die.

ZOS promotes this kind of gameplay and considers it a fun experience for the majority.

RouDeR

Icky wrote: »

Like I said sometimes you can't get away and are instantly melted. Why is this ability so insane? Are we all supposed to be running this? Is that what they are trying to hint at?

1 - you are low cp
2 - if you are max cp than your allocation sux. Put more than 15% in to thick skinned.

Takes-No-Prisoner

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

I chuckled, and now I have I can't believe it's not butter stuck in my head...

Feanor

Stop playing PvP. Works wonders for lots of the game issues that ZOS is incapable of fixing.

Defilted

You need to learn the groups you are encountering and understand their techniques. This will take time. Once you do this you will be able to effectively counter and avoid most of the damage a group like this is putting out. Sometimes you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug.

There are many skills in the game that can be used to thin the charging EOTS group out, you just have to be coordinated to do so. One of the things that Cyro does is it forces you to be in a very organized group to be successful when battling other groups. If you are just running around in a group and you are not balancing gear and skills to compliment each other(just like a trial), then you are going to get rolled in Cyro when you run up against a guild that is organized under the purpose to deal tons of damage with EOTS. Even with a full balanced and organized group you still get killed, just becasue you made mistakes in that encounter.

I can tell you my guild spends a good amount of time balancing skills and ultimates. We spend time examining the gear we are using in order to balance what it is doing for the individual and the group. People using ultimates on command, not when ever they feel like it(for example). There are many other tactics we use that I will not give away on the forums as they are our true weapons against the other alliances and guild groups. I know this type of game play is not appealing to all people, but in my experience this is the type of game play that is successful in cyro consistently.

Tan9oSuccka

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

It’s really not that simple though. In open world, sure...don’t stand in stupid. Keep defense? Where do you go with Grothdar and eye circles engulfing the entire keep?

Hit rapids, run and hope they don’t gap close on you.

SaintSubwayy

Proc shieldwall to not get hit by blockable damage additionally to EOTS, get fully buffed up and keep healing, and then w8 till they pass you without dying :'D

supaskrub

Two second warning, heed it and dodge roll away from it, make sure you got your shields up at all times especially when sitting on a resource or defending flags. The whole EoS thing has been blown out of proportion, sure its effective but its so easily countered especially in a balanced and co-ordinated group, rooting, negates and ranged dps all work effectively and devastation left behind is generally inexperience or being downright unlucky, but if you are downright unlucky too often then you need to re-evaluate counter strategies.

Joy_Division

It's not so much the ultiamte as it is the ball group and the accompany snares, roots, Negates, fears, and multiple destros.

ESO mechanics have never been very friendly for individuals to fight these ball groups, and now it's really hard.

You're best served to just not PuG into them and get farmed. Wait until these destro ball groups actually have to attack a strategic objective so they have to do things other than string along inexperienced players into a choke point.

Asardes

Stamina: roll out of it
Magicka: harness magicka

Takes-No-Prisoner

Daus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.

I hate it when this happens. It's even worse when the guy gap closes me!

ParaNostram

Daus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.

Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?

TequilaFire

ParaNostram wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Answer is simple, don't be made out of butter and don't stand in stupid.

Yeah about that. Someone used EotS on me the other day, and when I walked out of it the person using it followed me. Weird.

Then you didn't walk hard enough in the other direction. Weird. If your build is so squishy you die when somebody catches up to you, and so slow you can't outrun somebody for a handful of seconds, then maybe you're just bad?

Sounds like you are a PvE player who hasn't experienced gap closer spam and no CC immunity.
But then again you may also be a sorc.

Biro123

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The single biggest thing I see people do that gets them killed by these groups is running away. Move left, right, or straight through the group--not away from it, where you stay in the aoe for more ticks as they move with you.

Relevant comic, though spoiling a movie from 5 years ago:
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13

This.

Also don't stay with big groups of people.. skirt around, spread out - in fact actively look for the highest concentration of friendlies and don't be there, and don't be between them and the ball-group. You can predict where the ball-groups are going to go based on where those concentrations are.

And when they are kiting - don't follow them into choke-points - and don't follow directly behind (stay to the side).. They will do a 180 as soon as their ulti's are charged and there is a good enough concentration of fodder lined up right behind them.

Enslaved

Icky wrote: »

Aside from being on the opposite side of the map as the Eye of flame bomber groups, how are we supposed to counter this? Since not getting out of the way doesn't always work, I've tried to increase my resists. Buffed, I have about 25k magic resist and I have two flame resist glyphs on my jewelry. Thats well over 6k flame resist by itself. The damage is still out of control and I don't get why they made this ability so insane. Its the nuclear weapon of eso, thats for sure.

There are even sets to counter that bs. Leki and Bastion of Heartland.

Dr_Ganknstein

Erraln wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Like I said sometimes you can't get away and are instantly melted. Why is this ability so insane? Are we all supposed to be running this? Is that what they are trying to hint at?

Perhaps you should consider the Impenetrable trait?

Forgot to mention I have 4k crit resistance plus I'm running transmutation set.

Eyesinthedrk

Dodge roll through it, not away from it.

They push forward and you roll back that just extends the contact time.

zaria

Joy_Division wrote: »

It's not so much the ultiamte as it is the ball group and the accompany snares, roots, Negates, fears, and multiple destros.

ESO mechanics have never been very friendly for individuals to fight these ball groups, and now it's really hard.

You're best served to just not PuG into them and get farmed. Wait until these destro ball groups actually have to attack a strategic objective so they have to do things other than string along inexperienced players into a choke point.

Yes its weird, if you fight an large well trained and equipped group alone you will loose.
The same in real world for some reasons.