Is Elemental Ring in your rotation?

ArchMikem

Since they changed the morph to be a ground cast AoE, has anyone fit it into their end-game rotation? How does it fair in Dungeon content or even Trials, now that you can cast it at range.

Morvane

no, now its very original and totally useless

FrancisCrawford

People dropped it in favor of lightning heavy attacks. Now those have been nerfed in damage -- but with sustain being a challenge, I'm not aware of Elemental Ring getting back into rotations.

I'm sure it's still great as you're leveling your first character, after you've hit Level 50 in destruction staff but before you've gotten to the point that overland content is generally trivial. But otherwise I don't know where it fits.

Morvane

Also this skill less effective as spam ability compared to Impulse, HA or even Force pulse because of ground targeting. U can make the same or even more AoE dps with impulse without any brain work how to cast skill on your "target audience"

Reverb

Good Lord no, not for a long time now.

Morgul667

no

Nestor

Pulsar is the only useful morph

ak_pvp

Nestor wrote: »

Pulsar is the only useful morph

Pulsar is only useful if you use it within the first 10% of the enemies life. Otherwise the debuff is completely useless.

Saint_Bud

Useless for a long time. Cast your ground aoe skills and make ha with lightningstaff. Also it will to hard to sustain.

Vaoh

The only situation in the game where Impulse can be useful is when fighting Flame Atronachs right at the beginning of Aetherian Archive.

You can lower their health with the Pulsar morph which is an especially nice strategy if your group splits up to speed up time for score runs.

Besides that it’s just terrible. Why slot it when you can spam lightning heavy attacks for more damage AND for resource gain?

Nestor

ak_pvp wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Pulsar is the only useful morph

Pulsar is only useful if you use it within the first 10% of the enemies life. Otherwise the debuff is completely useless.

Your definition of useless is different than mine

vovus69

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

X3ina

Recently i started using it on my warden frost mage and got really disappointed because elemental ring morph no longer deals dot damage which is rip

Faint_One

ak_pvp wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Pulsar is the only useful morph

Pulsar is only useful if you use it within the first 10% of the enemies life. Otherwise the debuff is completely useless.

and the enemy should not immune by this debuff as well as their 10%HP have to more than A Pulsar hit but I also prefer this morph because It well-controled

Flaminir

vovus69 wrote: »

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

Actually spamming pulsar will do less damage than my lightning heavy attacks using a vMA staff with blockade.

So nope, will not speed things up, it'll slow it down, AND I'll run out of magicka faster.

Pulsar is now a novelty skill which is totally fine to use for questing style content and simple dungeons where anything goes, but has hardly any value in end game stuff as its weaker than the alternatives.

Nestor

Flaminir wrote: »

vovus69 wrote: »

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

Actually spamming pulsar will do less damage than my lightning heavy attacks using a vMA staff with blockade.

Because these staves drop like candy for everyone.....

Flaminir

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

vovus69 wrote: »

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

Actually spamming pulsar will do less damage than my lightning heavy attacks using a vMA staff with blockade.

Because these staves drop like candy for everyone.....

Nope they don't, I understand that.

But the point that many have already made is that heavy lightning attacks will usually deal at least equivalent damage, or in most cases far higher damage than spamming pulsar whilst at the same time restoring magicka and making sure there's no sustain issues.

There's loads of ways of jacking your lightning heavies up... I only mention vMA staves as it was in my mind. Point that many have alreday made still stands... Why spam a skill that does less damage and costs more than a heavy attack?

There's a reason its very rarely used these days, and thats a shame. I'd rather there was value in slotting a skill than walking around tortoise pace doing heavies.

Nestor

Flaminir wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

vovus69 wrote: »

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

Actually spamming pulsar will do less damage than my lightning heavy attacks using a vMA staff with blockade.

Because these staves drop like candy for everyone.....

Nope they don't, I understand that.

But the point that many have already made is that heavy lightning attacks will usually deal at least equivalent damage, or in most cases far higher damage than spamming pulsar whilst at the same time restoring magicka and making sure there's no sustain issues.

There's loads of ways of jacking your lightning heavies up... I only mention vMA staves as it was in my mind. Point that many have alreday made still stands... Why spam a skill that does less damage and costs more than a heavy attack?

There's a reason its very rarely used these days, and thats a shame. I'd rather there was value in slotting a skill than walking around tortoise pace doing heavies.

How long does it take to pop a pulsar vs using a fully charged heavy attack? Besides who is spamming it? Not me. It is part of my rotation and the quickest way to finish off the trash when they are low in heatlh. But there are other skills in that rotation.

Flaminir

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

vovus69 wrote: »

well, pulsar+grothdarr+asylum stuff+lightning barrier and we are taking about AOE which will clean group dungeon trashes in no time. If you add annulment and proxy deto - you have no problem in basically any trash situation. SO, yeah, pulsar is good.
Believe me, guy who can clean up trash in trials/group dungeons can speed up things a LOT.

-vovus

Actually spamming pulsar will do less damage than my lightning heavy attacks using a vMA staff with blockade.

Because these staves drop like candy for everyone.....

Nope they don't, I understand that.

But the point that many have already made is that heavy lightning attacks will usually deal at least equivalent damage, or in most cases far higher damage than spamming pulsar whilst at the same time restoring magicka and making sure there's no sustain issues.

There's loads of ways of jacking your lightning heavies up... I only mention vMA staves as it was in my mind. Point that many have alreday made still stands... Why spam a skill that does less damage and costs more than a heavy attack?

There's a reason its very rarely used these days, and thats a shame. I'd rather there was value in slotting a skill than walking around tortoise pace doing heavies.

How long does it take to pop a pulsar vs using a fully charged heavy attack? Besides who is spamming it? Not me. It is part of my rotation and the quickest way to finish off the trash when they are low in heatlh. But there are other skills in that rotation.

You get many ticks of a lightning heavy.... pulsar has a 1 second GCD. You can hold heavy for as few or many ticks as you need. Can't remember exactly how many off teh top of my head... but its something like 5 ticks across approx 2.5seconds.

Each tick is similar to 1 pulsar, so you get more ticks in, more damage, and more resources returned (Assuming you do a full heavy).

I always enjoyed charging into mob packs and firing pulsar off... much faster and engaging gameply imo and i wish it was still a thing.... but heavies are just stronger now in basically every way

Xvorg

The dot was a nice way to proc sets like skoria or winterborn... now it's useless

Storymaster

ArchMikem wrote: »

Is Elemental Ring in your rotation?.

Tyrion87

This skill in its current state is a waste of its huge potential. It needs a buff/rework asap since all players have already more better alternatives when it comes to AOE dmg.

I predict a comeback of this skill when there will be new 'special' staves (similar to asylum) altering the skill completely.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Hmm... a 28m range ground targetted AOE. PVP anyone?

FakeFox

To "in your rotation" sounds like you are asking for single target. No, it isn't. Its not worth running in my opinion. Not even in AOE, as you always have a lightning staff at least on you backbar and swapping skills between AOE and bossfights isn't worth it either.

Reverb

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm... a 28m range ground targetted AOE. PVP anyone?

Too weak to be useful in pvp, unless your goal is simply to tag everyone in a group from a distance, so you can leech AP when they are killed by your allies who deal actual damage.

Alpheu5

I haven't slotted it ever since they removed the DoT. I used to use it for a higher Skoria proc rate.

idk

Nestor wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Pulsar is the only useful morph

Pulsar is only useful if you use it within the first 10% of the enemies life. Otherwise the debuff is completely useless.

Your definition of useless is different than mine

I think he exaggerated. It's not useless but there are more desirable skills to do the job that warrant a slot on the bar.

DeHei

good joke @OP

Nestor

@Flaminir Though you might find this interesting

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/CCNA/Pulsar_zpsus0w778g.jpg

Horowonnoe

Nope. Don't even level that skill.

Lexxypwns

Reverb wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm... a 28m range ground targetted AOE. PVP anyone?

Too weak to be useful in pvp, unless your goal is simply to tag everyone in a group from a distance, so you can leech AP when they are killed by your allies who deal actual damage.

Honestly when I first saw this I though we might get some pugs zergs with lots of people spamming t and that it might get annoying. Never materialized