Crafting Bag Without ESO Plus

JasonSilverSpring

worsttankever wrote: »

I'm interested in how other dedicated crafters have managed without the ESO+ crafting bag.

After a 9 month break, I'm thinking about returning. However, I'm married now. With combined finances and a strict budget. Monthly subscription payments aren't gonna fly until the wife and I save up for a house down payment.

Just the sheer thought of moving junk around between characters (14 slots nearly all maxxed out, full bank) prevents me from logging back in...

Similar to another player on this thread - I quit after my honeymoon because I realized I was OCD, logging in daily to complete all horse upgrades & crafting dailies on 14 characters.

Now I wanna log back in and play around on an alt in PVP. But lack of access to DLC areas for my favorite sets, hassle with inventory, and (one of my) favorite parts of the game being making my own gear and consumables.... how to do that without a crafting bag?

Can you skip a few Starbucks trips or one meal out each month and pay the 15 per month?

Otherwise I would use mules and/or storage chests if you have writ vouchers. If you don't hold onto all provisioning mats or different tier mats that would help.

worsttankever

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Can you skip a few Starbucks trips or one meal out each month and pay the 15 per month?

Otherwise I would use mules and/or storage chests if you have writ vouchers. If you don't hold onto all provisioning mats or different tier mats that would help.

I think you’re exactly right. I logged back in - true, bank size is cut in half. But I have plenty of alts. Maybe I can offload weapon and armor I’ll never use (total hoarder / theory crafter) and divide my crafting mats between characters.

Too bad all my guilds dropped me due to inactivity ;p

Ps those crowns from ESO+ add up. I got 6k I can use to buy the “old” DLCs for access to my fav crafting stations.

Re cutting out Starbucks and eating out. Yep. And using public transit instead of Uber >.<

davey1107

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

MerlinPendragon

^^^^^

The last reply is spot on.

This game has a sizable staff and constantly is working on new content. A subscription model is needed, and the crafting bag is essentially the biggest draw for this.

While I would like to see some more purchasable storage offered in the future in addition to the chests that are currently offered in the Crown Store, I will say the inventory limitation of ESO prevents mass hoarding which I've seen become a massive issue in other games.

No changes are needed at this time. The current model isn't broke and doesn't need fixing.

snailbrick

davey1107 wrote: »

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

This is not completely true though. They are still making tons of money from all of the players who buy the DLC with Crown Packs. I know that I've never subbed to ESO+, but I've spent over $200 on purchasing every DLC pack and expansion. This is a false notion that people like me are playing the game for free. If it's free then why did we have to shell out cash for all the DLC and Expansions?

It is true that some people could never buy any of the DLC and expansions and keep playing the game for free at that point, but honestly I've never known of anyone that really does this. You run out of things to do with the base game, plus you can't access key areas and features in those zones. I've never met an active player who didn't have at least some of the DLC and expansions purchased.

I think obviously they manufacture storage issues to steer you into the web of having to sub to ESO+ out of frustration. Without the unlimited crafting bag I really wonder how many people would actually sub to ESO+. When they launched the game initially they required a sub, then they back tracked on that because they convince enough people to play the game with a mandatory sub.

Emma_Overload

davey1107 wrote: »

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

ESO is not a F2P game, and no one is playing for free. DLC purchasers PAID for the game content, ESO+ subscribers are just RENTING the game.

Also, nobody is asking for the crafting bag to be "free". We are asking for the crafting bag to be available to purchase in the Crown Store.

White wabbit

It isn't happening so constantly asking for something isn't going to change that, ZOS know they have a good thing here they aren't going to ruining it just to please a few so stop crying about the craft bag if you want it the sub , it's really that simple

Asha_11_ESO

Agreed that inventory management in ESO becomes a real chore without ESO+.

However there are options to help:

• Create character mules to store items. You can increase their bag slots via in game gold.
• Storage Chests. A free 30 slot one from the level up system. Plus 7 more chests which can add a further 330 slots. Purchasable via crowns or writs. Rather expensive but it is an option.
• Share storage of crafting materials with a friend. I did this at the start. I stored all our provisioning and clothing mats on an alt. He stored all our enchanting, blacksmithing, woodworking, and trait/style mats.
• Bounce mail between yourself and a friend. There was an addon that helped to do this, but I forget what it's called. But it allowed you to put e.g. RETURN in the subject, and it would bounce it right back to you if friend also had addon. That way you use up a heap of your mail slots and attachments as storage.
• Sacrifice something from your budget for a few months (i.e. you only need to cut $15 per month. That's like a few coffees or fast food meals or whatever a week.). And just sub to ESO Plus for a few months. Use that time to hoard a bunch of crafting mats. Plus use the crowns to buy some storage chests. (it's 1500 crowns per month of sub. 30 slot storage chests are 1000 crown, and 60 slot ones are 2000 crowns.)
• Be ruthless and go cold turkey on your ocd hoarder tendencies! Pick something to just stop saving and hoarding. E.g. provisioning mats. Thats over 50 slots freed up. Use your guild traders, or ask friends to help you out if you need food.

Slick_007

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ESO is not a F2P game, and no one is playing for free. DLC purchasers PAID for the game content, ESO+ subscribers are just RENTING the game.

Also, nobody is asking for the crafting bag to be "free". We are asking for the crafting bag to be available to purchase in the Crown Store.

im eso+ and im not renting anything. i own the dlc. so cut your garbage out and drop your entitlement. You want the bag, pony up the cash and sub.

snailbrick wrote: »

This is not completely true though. They are still making tons of money from all of the players who buy the DLC with Crown Packs. I know that I've never subbed to ESO+, but I've spent over $200 on purchasing every DLC pack and expansion. This is a false notion that people like me are playing the game for free. If it's free then why did we have to shell out cash for all the DLC and Expansions?

ooh, you spent over $200. you know how much iv spent as a subscriber? rough estimate $450. add in the crown packs iv bought and it would be up around $600. so tell us again how non subs are keeping the game running with all your spending.

idk

TheOOB wrote: »

I know there is no way to get the crafting bag without ESO plus, and I know this has probably been discussed before, but it is a bit upsetting to me that there is no way to get the crafting bag without eso plus. The other benefits of ESO plus you can either get for a one time fee, or earn through play, but what is perhaps the greatest quality of life enhancement you cannot.

It's not that I don't think ESO plus is a fair price, I think it is, but for personal reason I refuse to pay subscription services for games I play. The second I start paying monthly for something, for me at least it turns entertainment into a chore. If I'm not getting full value out of it, I'm wasting my money. If I stop playing for a couple of weeks/months, my money is going down the toilet. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, I just wish ZO would add a one time fee option to get the craft bag. Just as I'm willing to buy the DLC packs separately, I'm willing to pay a decent amount to get that luxury without a subscription.

This entire statement is a great affirmation that Zos made a great business decision in adding the crafting bags as an ESO exclusive.

OP clearly states most of the ESO+ perks are not that big of a deal but the crafting bag really adds value. The small fact that refuses to pay a subscription on weak reasoning that paying monthly for something takes the fun out of it will not be something Zos cares about.

I find humor that someone tries to bring change yet really states why the current design is such a great business idea.

exiars10

Emma_Overload wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

ESO is not a F2P game, and no one is playing for free. DLC purchasers PAID for the game content, ESO+ subscribers are just RENTING the game.

Also, nobody is asking for the crafting bag to be "free". We are asking for the crafting bag to be available to purchase in the Crown Store.

ESO+ subscribers are renting game, really? Are you saying that if you just outright buy DLCs that you own them, right?
Except you don't as this is always online multiplayer game with the server side code execution i.e. ESO is service. You own nothing. If tomorrow ZeniMax shut down servers, you, who bought DLCs would lose access to them and the whole game just like ESO+ members.

idk wrote: »

TheOOB wrote: »

I know there is no way to get the crafting bag without ESO plus, and I know this has probably been discussed before, but it is a bit upsetting to me that there is no way to get the crafting bag without eso plus. The other benefits of ESO plus you can either get for a one time fee, or earn through play, but what is perhaps the greatest quality of life enhancement you cannot.

It's not that I don't think ESO plus is a fair price, I think it is, but for personal reason I refuse to pay subscription services for games I play. The second I start paying monthly for something, for me at least it turns entertainment into a chore. If I'm not getting full value out of it, I'm wasting my money. If I stop playing for a couple of weeks/months, my money is going down the toilet. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, I just wish ZO would add a one time fee option to get the craft bag. Just as I'm willing to buy the DLC packs separately, I'm willing to pay a decent amount to get that luxury without a subscription.

This entire statement is a great affirmation that Zos made a great business decision in adding the crafting bags as an ESO exclusive.

OP clearly states most of the ESO+ perks are not that big of a deal but the crafting bag really adds value. The small fact that refuses to pay a subscription on weak reasoning that paying monthly for something takes the fun out of it will not be something Zos cares about.

I find humor that someone tries to bring change yet really states why the current design is such a great business idea.

So many socialists on this forum (but this is generally rampant in gaming) think that ZeniMax Media is their friend and should give things for free/cheap. No matter how many times you explain them that corporations are not your friend and that almost only money talk, they still act entitled.
Monthly subscribtion in Europe is the same as for WoW where is mandatory - it's so obvious Plus Members need something which justify subscription but not to turn game into P2W.
So ZeniMax should kill golden goose to satisfy small socialist vocal minority in forum and lose big constant revenues for short lived profit. Sounds like a great business plan, right ?

idk

@exiars10

I basically agree with you.

I understand a subscription is more valuable to Zos than just buying DLCs. The math says that much.

The example of WoW is good, also SWTOR significantly penalizes F2P with significant cut in XP, weekly purchase to access raids, reduced access to crafting and if you want to PvP you better sub.

Stopnaggin

Arezius wrote: »

Just adding my 2 cents on the subject:

I've been off ESO since august 2016 (the day I learn there was lockboxes added to the game).
After nearly 2 years, I've decided to make a quick come back to see what's what.
I'm looking for something to make me stick with the game again. I love crafting and farming for it, I've always loved it in ESO more than in other games and I very often lose myself while questing because I can't help but gather things.

After just a couple hours all I see is that there's more things to get than before, my bags are fully upgraded but already full, which means I can't farm anymore aka I don't enjoy the game as much as I could.

The only solution? Get ESO+?
No way.

I'll gladly make a one time payment to get the crafting bag, hoping that it's not too expensive. If getting the crafting bag is as much money as a 6 month sub without all the other benefits then of course I won't be interested...

If I get this bag, I'll start playing more, and in the way I'll surely buy the DLCs that I haven't done yet.
I'm talking about spending money into the game (I had all the fist DLCs in their limited edition before I stopped playing and even spent more).

Why not getting ESO+ again? Because my life changed, I'm a father now and my family is my top priority, which means I don't play regularly, not every day, not for hours, etc... Fully enjoying a DLC would require more than a month.
Being sub makes me feel like the OP and I don't enjoy that feeling.

When the game went buy-to-play ZOS told us that people preferred DLCs now instead of subs, only to pay for what they wanted, to enjoy only when they play, but not to keep on paying even when they don't play.
Well, that's not what ESO offers with this bag. I don't mind anymore about the rest, but the bag is the only thing that would make me sub, but that's not enough and that won't happen.

I'll likely stop playing again just because of that, because I see one more bad decision in a game I use to love. Are we not enough to feel this way? The rest just accept and pay while being frustrated?

Another solution, add at least 100 more places in our bags/banks to make up for that, add it to the crown store if you want us to pay. But give us something. Please

So what it boils down to is sell me the bag or I won't play or buy anything else. In essence I'll quit everytime I don't like something. And I wonder why it remains under the sub.

I honestly wouldn't care if they offered some sort of craft bag for sale. My only question would be what they could replace that with for me to stay subbed? It's not about I want to feel special or any other nonsense people come up with to justify their displeasure with the sub model. What is my incentive to stay subbed, what am I getting for my money? Funny how that never gets answered by those on the other side. And those who argue about a sub on consoles, completely invalid you pay for access anyway, at least xbox, so you're already using a sub model. Again I ask what would they replace it with for me to see enough value to stay subbed?

Starlight_Knight

Personally i hate the craft bag being the main reason anyone subs to ESO - i think it should be the last, and ESO+ members should get DLC's for free.. and yes chapters are DLC's

Stopnaggin

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

Sergg007 wrote: »

i have banker and it is full, i have few alts too and it is not save me from shi*ty management. I want to play and not dig into my inventory.

you can. you pay like the rest of us. Its a pretty stupid idea to take a big drawcard away from ESO+. then many people will stop paying for ESO+. So you want the game to lose revenue

So that's the only reason to sub to ESOplus?
Why do they have anything else included with ESOplus?

Let's just take away the 1500 crowns from ESOplus and take away every other benefit except the craft bag since that is all anybody cares about.
You can buy everything else with consumables in the crown store and buying crowns directly without any other "freebies".

Do you honestly believe those other things are worth it? Max level on all my tools why do I need 10% more of anything? 1500 crowns doesn't go very far. So yes the craft bag is the main reason most stay subbed.

Arezius

Stopnaggin wrote: »

What is my incentive to stay subbed, what am I getting for my money? Funny how that never gets answered by those on the other side.

This is answered but you haven't read the whole thread, or the answer simply not please you.

Anyway, seeing the answer we get in this thread, ZOS will not stop the wheel and people are happy with it.

Have fun everyone and take care.

Stopnaggin

Arezius wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

What is my incentive to stay subbed, what am I getting for my money? Funny how that never gets answered by those on the other side.

This is answered but you haven't read the whole thread, or the answer simply not please you.

Anyway, seeing the answer we get in this thread, ZOS will not stop the wheel and people are happy with it.

Have fun everyone and take care.

I haven't seen anything that would take the place of the bag for my money anyway. Again I'm not against them selling the bag, I just don't know what would keep me subbed. I can't speak for anyone else.

DaveMoeDee

exiars10 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

ESO is not a F2P game, and no one is playing for free. DLC purchasers PAID for the game content, ESO+ subscribers are just RENTING the game.

Also, nobody is asking for the crafting bag to be "free". We are asking for the crafting bag to be available to purchase in the Crown Store.

ESO+ subscribers are renting game, really? Are you saying that if you just outright buy DLCs that you own them, right?
Except you don't as this is always online multiplayer game with the server side code execution i.e. ESO is service. You own nothing. If tomorrow ZeniMax shut down servers, you, who bought DLCs would lose access to them and the whole game just like ESO+ members.

idk wrote: »

TheOOB wrote: »

I know there is no way to get the crafting bag without ESO plus, and I know this has probably been discussed before, but it is a bit upsetting to me that there is no way to get the crafting bag without eso plus. The other benefits of ESO plus you can either get for a one time fee, or earn through play, but what is perhaps the greatest quality of life enhancement you cannot.

It's not that I don't think ESO plus is a fair price, I think it is, but for personal reason I refuse to pay subscription services for games I play. The second I start paying monthly for something, for me at least it turns entertainment into a chore. If I'm not getting full value out of it, I'm wasting my money. If I stop playing for a couple of weeks/months, my money is going down the toilet. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, I just wish ZO would add a one time fee option to get the craft bag. Just as I'm willing to buy the DLC packs separately, I'm willing to pay a decent amount to get that luxury without a subscription.

This entire statement is a great affirmation that Zos made a great business decision in adding the crafting bags as an ESO exclusive.

OP clearly states most of the ESO+ perks are not that big of a deal but the crafting bag really adds value. The small fact that refuses to pay a subscription on weak reasoning that paying monthly for something takes the fun out of it will not be something Zos cares about.

I find humor that someone tries to bring change yet really states why the current design is such a great business idea.

So many socialists on this forum (but this is generally rampant in gaming) think that ZeniMax Media is their friend and should give things for free/cheap. No matter how many times you explain them that corporations are not your friend and that almost only money talk, they still act entitled.
Monthly subscribtion in Europe is the same as for WoW where is mandatory - it's so obvious Plus Members need something which justify subscription but not to turn game into P2W.
So ZeniMax should kill golden goose to satisfy small socialist vocal minority in forum and lose big constant revenues for short lived profit. Sounds like a great business plan, right ?

What does socialism have to do with anything? This is just a discussion about crafting bags. You don't know anything about anyone's politics from their stand on crafting bags. Sounds to me like you just want to engage in name-calling.

Magenpie

Two things MMOs need to succeed (not the only things btw) is a steady healthy income stream but they also need 'bodies on the ground' so players can play with other players - or you get complaints of long dungeon queues, empty servers etc etc, and the game dies.

I'm in favour of giving all the benefits of a game to as many people as possible, and offering a variety of ways to buy all those things. This is so ALL players are encouraged to spend as much of their hard-earned cash on the game as possible, in a way which is most convenient and best suits their incomes and their playing time. I want the game to be as inclusive as possible, to all income streams, ages blah blah etc. More people, more ways to pay, more things to buy = more money for the game.

The *need* to have exclusive services - particularly and especially if those services are about convenience and making the game a nicer place to 'be' - in order to feel superior, is puzzling and sad. It's even worse if this need is essential to an enjoyment and commitment to the game.

So, I understand if you'd like some exclusive armour or mount or glow or whatever, to show you are a very dedicated player, you love the game and you love ZOS for making it. I'm not being sarcastic here btw. You can use these things in game and everyone can see your commitment to the game. Brilliant and hooray!

But to ENJOY the idea that your fellow player is dealing with tiresome barriers and contrived annoyances, and you don't have to - just because they want/need to pay for it differently - is just flipping bizarre and twisted.

What I also find weird, is that often, the people most vociferously opposed to more inclusive ways for players to pay/play are also the people who claim to have the games best interests at heart. Surely excluding more players, or at least making the game more of a drag to play, and also being so defensively aggressive on the forums, does exactly the opposite of what they claim to want. If you want the game to succeed, surely you need to welcome players, with all kinds of budget requirements, with open flipping arms!?

I do understand the need and desire for subscribers to have some benefits, but isn't it enough that F2P players pay a premium for their QoL conveniences, and subscribers get all of them for one easy cheaper payment? AND they get some cosmetic freebies via Crowns? Surely subscribers should be over-the-flaming moon if more players are paying for more stuff?

Added to which, it's just a game - subscribing doesn't make you a hero, or about to win a Nobel Peace Prize. You have no idea why people do/don't want to subscribe or not - it really isn't just about being cheap or scummy or lazy or pick-your-real-world-insult-of-choice. Subscribing doesn't make you part of a super-race.

And ffs, it doesn't even mean you are spending the most money!

/rant

P.S. Am a subscriber.

MerlinPendragon

Leave crafting bags and ESO plus subscriptions alone. The model is working fine as is.

daniolio90

Whats the point in buying dlc's at all, if u cant buy the bag for crafting x) /// Buy all dlc, still end up subscribing for the bag. People subscribe to get bag, then get all dlc free :P ? Whats the point in buying the dlc for one time, i wanna know the point of that ^^ !! anyone ?

JKorr

Emma_Overload wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

Eso Plus was designed to allow the game to exist without a mandatory sub. It makes it so that some players pay and support the game, and get powerful perks for it. This allows other players to play for free. They get free play, and plus subscribers get a more robust game that has more players.

You’re asking to get one of the prime benefits without paying. Plus players already subsidize the game for you...you get what you get.

ESO is not a F2P game, and no one is playing for free. DLC purchasers PAID for the game content, ESO+ subscribers are just RENTING the game.

Also, nobody is asking for the crafting bag to be "free". We are asking for the crafting bag to be available to purchase in the Crown Store.

So...where do the eso+ subscribers who bought the dlc so they would keep access to it if they ever dropped their subs fall in your opinion? I bought the dlc, but I'm subbed too..... Should I get another bonus because I'm not only RENTING the game with my sub, I PAID for it too?

daniolio90 wrote: »

Whats the point in buying dlc's at all, if u cant buy the bag for crafting x) /// Buy all dlc, still end up subscribing for the bag. People subscribe to get bag, then get all dlc free :P ? Whats the point in buying the dlc for one time, i wanna know the point of that ^^ !! anyone ?

You can pay the sub now. You can stay subbed for months with no issues. Say issues come up; your house needs a new furnace, your transportation dies and you need extensive repairs/new vehicle, health care issues happen for you/family member and medical bills need to be paid, so you drop your sub. No sub, no dlc. No crafting bag/no double bank space.

BUT if you used the crowns from your sub to buy the dlc, you still have access to the dlc, even though you no longer have the sub. You won't have the crafting bag/double bank space until you sub again, but you won't lose anything in your bag or the bank. You just can't add to the crafting bag [stuff goes to your inventory], or add to the bank until you get the contents to the "normal" not-subbed amounts.

Oldar

This thread has some great ideas. I wanted to contribute to these ideas as well.

From my perspective there are some scenarios which can help the non ESO+ players with the current inventory mess system without hurting the subscribers or the revenue of ESO. I am totally against the "buy the Unlimited Bag" scenario from the Crown Store, as something like that, like it or not, will hurt both subscribers and ZOS, BUT there are SO many other ideas to help the Non ESO+ members:

*Numbers may change at will in order to serve ZOS needs but we can get the general idea*

- Increase the item stacks from 200 to 500.
This move, will not have any difference to the ESO+ members as they have unlimited bag space for the crafting materials BUT for the non ESO+ members will be very helpful.

- Increase the maximum Bank Storage space up to 300 and with each purchasable Chapter - which means the player will give money to ZOS -, give us 50 more slots (400 in total if both chapters have been bought).
As it is now, in order to unlock the last 10 Bank Slots we pay 85.000 Gold. We could pay 90.000 Gold for another 10 (250 in total), 95.000 Gold up to 260, 100.000 up to 270 and for that point and on, 100.000 Gold without increase. That way, the ESO+ members will have more double bank space, and ZOS will earn some money from the crowns some of the players will use to buy those last banking slots.

- Increase the maximum Character Storage up to +25 Slots for each purchasable Chapter.
That means a player will have 200 maximum slots if he has not purchase either Morrowind Or Summerset Chapter, BUT the players who purchase those 2 will have 250 maximum slots, unlocking those with gold OR Crowns for each character.

- Another thought, was to give a minimum e.g. 5 slots of the Crafting Bag, for each 10 Levels of each one of the Crafting Professions. So, if I level up to 50 ALL the Crafting Professions in one character, I will have
6 (Professions without Jewelcrafting and 7 with) x 5 (Crafting Slots) x 5 (times up until level 50) = 150 (175 if someone has the Jewelcrafting Profession Unlocked) +25 Slots as an achievement Bonus for having all the current professions leveled up.
Those slots will be able to be bought for gold, other currency (maybe Writ Vouchers?) AND with Crowns.

ESO+ members will have all those perks unlocked since the day they start to subscribe and they will not have to pay gold in order to unlock all these extras. I cannot see, any of these solutions to hurt either the ZOS revenue or the ESO+ membership benefits.

We all need to understand at this point, ZOS and players, that ESO is not F2P game. The ESO+ members, are paying for those "free DLCs", the non ESO+ players are paying with Crowns in order to unlock them. So, we all need to get along as fellow players, and give ZOS an insight of each player's perspective (ESO+ and non ESO+) to fully understand that with each new DLC and Chapter, NON ESO+ players are getting frustrating over and over AND ESO+ members maybe have some tools to "hide from the actual problem" but sooner or later if those slots stayed as they are not even the ESO+ membership will be able to solve the situation.

In order not to loose either non ESO+ players who they are offering with their way to the game, or ESO+ members who they are bringing monthly revenue to ZOS's pockets, ZOS, must take some decisions and balance things out before its too late. If nothing happens for the current inventory space, and the coming DLCs/Chapters continue to add frustration and agony to the playerbase, I am afraid that lots of non ESO+ AND returning players (who may used to be subscribers as well) will find themselves in a bucket of desperation leaving the game once and for all... and neither ZOS or the active playerbase want something like that to happen.

Zacuel

I can't speak for anyone with multiple alts. However, I am able to keep all my access equipment in my storage quests and fill my bank with all my crafting materials. The refined materials fit in my coffers. I like that you can craft from you bank. So for me it essentially becomes my free crafting bag. It works for me quite well. Though I can see the struggle regarding players with several characters.

White wabbit

Zacuel wrote: »

I can't speak for anyone with multiple alts. However, I am able to keep all my access equipment in my storage quests and fill my bank with all my crafting materials. The refined materials fit in my coffers. I like that you can craft from you bank. So for me it essentially becomes my free crafting bag. It works for me quite well. Though I can see the struggle regarding players with several characters.

I have several characters and it's not a struggle for me ! Oh wait I have the crafting bag

DaveMoeDee

Business justification arguments just don't work. The only reason many of us ever sub is the inventory management benefits. I wouldn't even spend $5/month for the other benefits, assuming crown rewards would drop to 500 in that case. While I only sub 3-6 months per year, there are many subbing monthly just for the crafting bag.

I would love to be able to buy the crafting bag for crowns. I would save a ton of money. I am sitting on 5500 crowns right now with nothing left to buy. I have the assistants and all the character slots. I will sub again in the future as new content is released, gaining useless additional crowns. I assume the crafting bag would be the most expensive thing we have ever seen in the store, definitely costing more than a full year of subbing -- likely much more considering crown sales and how many people have stockpiled crowns from subbing. One they make a change like that, they need to find a way to make the sub valuable again.

White wabbit

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Business justification arguments just don't work. The only reason many of us ever sub is the inventory management benefits. I wouldn't even spend $5/month for the other benefits, assuming crown rewards would drop to 500 in that case. While I only sub 3-6 months per year, there are many subbing monthly just for the crafting bag.

I would love to be able to buy the crafting bag for crowns. I would save a ton of money. I am sitting on 5500 crowns right now with nothing left to buy. I have the assistants and all the character slots. I will sub again in the future as new content is released, gaining useless additional crowns. I assume the crafting bag would be the most expensive thing we have ever seen in the store, definitely costing more than a full year of subbing -- likely much more considering crown sales and how many people have stockpiled crowns from subbing. One they make a change like that, they need to find a way to make the sub valuable again.

I just can't see what they could offer that's better than the crafting bag so that they could place it in the crown store , as I'm of the same it's only that which keeps me subbing as the dlcs I don't really care about

radiostar

There was a thread in General that listed out the exact storage spaces available on a maxed account. That storage number should be made into a Crown Carryall to hold larger stacks of items as a convenience bag. Since it's not a craft bag it could hold more than just mats. I think 3000 was the space amount calculated IIRC.

White wabbit

radiostar wrote: »

There was a thread in General that listed out the exact storage spaces available on a maxed account. That storage number should be made into a Crown Carryall to hold larger stacks of items as a convenience bag. Since it's not a craft bag it could hold more than just mats. I think 3000 was the space amount calculated IIRC.

People maybe able to drop their subs and use this so I can't see this getting traction from ZOS

radiostar

I'd buy it for extra space for noncraft/bound gears