The truth about Crown Crates...with article

dodgehopper_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Most people gambling on crates have probably been subscribing for a long time and have lots of crowns in their accounts and little to do with them (ex. they have access to the DLCs so they don't need to buy them). I've only been recently subbing, mostly due to inventory bonuses, but I got 9K crowns with my 6 months sub. I did buy some cosmetic items: an edit for one of my characters, a pack of hair styles and another of beards and various other hair styles which were about 1K crowns each and the grim harlequin motifs which was 2.2K. I still have 3.8K crowns which will buy the frost caster style when it comes in store again. The subsequent crown bonuses will go towards house purchases, but I will never ever buy crown crates. After two years of farming gear non stop I've come to hate the living hell out of RNG: I want to have certainty, at least for things I pay IRL money for, albeit indirectly.

I bought a lot mor Crowns last year than I did this year. Crown Crates have been a boon for my wallet, as I am not needing to buy Crowns as much anymore. My ESO Plus subscription is more than enough Crowns to last me the 6 months between subscription payment. I know I am not typical, or at least I hope I am not.

See, for as much as I hate Crown Crates, I hate desperate marketing people more. If Crown Crates fail, they are not going to see the error of thier ways and come up with a more reasonable way to get revenue. No, my fear is that they will go nuclear on us and come up with something 10x worse than the Crown Crates we have now. If they kill the game, that is OK (to them). There is always another game coming along. I don't want marketing to kill the game.

In my case I have a steam account loaded with games and I have plenty of other projects I can fill my time with. I admit I'm a little worried they'll get greedy like other game developers I've run into in the past. Its really enticing when it seems as though people will throw money at you to not take it. I prefer straight transactional quid pro quo. Sell us content and if we want it we'll buy it. I'm NEVER going to pay for a gambling box. The day I feel I have to is the day I'm done.

Megabear

jlboozer wrote: »

I ran by a very interesting article concerning loot boxes and how they incentivize gaming companies to make less actual content. They use the same greasy tactics casinos use. Read and leave your thoughts below... thanks!

http://theweek.com/articles/731592/how-video-game-industry-tricks-players-money

I believe this is something we've been aware of, but having it published (probably not for the first time) legitimizes our suspicions. Sleazy is sleazy.

JamilaRaj

Phage wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

Plus, no one is making anyone purchase anything.

No one's making you put that heroin in your arm. Thus, there's nothing wrong with heroin?

*** logic.

That is a bit unfair comparison. Unlike "game" developers, drug dealers at least do not try to sneak heroin into your food.

Nestor

I buy some crates every 3 months, as I have crowns that come with my Subscription. I tend to get what I wanted out of the crates with the few that I buy. As for mounts I don't get, I don't mind as most of those mounts are either ugly, or make too much noise to be used all the time. I don't think I ever run a Crate Mount on any of Alts, unless there is some feline mount I got from a Crate.

As for the gambling aspect, I am someone that can go to Las Vegas, spend 4 or 5 days there and never gamble, or the few times that I do, I quit while I am ahead. I understand there are no guarantees in the activity and don't run with the expectation that there is a sure thing.

I am not a fan of the crates, but as long as nothing in there is Pay To Win, then I am good with them existing.

vamp_emily

I wouldn't be shocked if they change the game rating from "M" to "C" and let children play. Soon your 6 year old child will be texting you "Daddy, can i have 100 dollars for some crown crates? I need a mount, costume and a hat so I can beat this boss.... please".

brtomkin

Examples of RNG:
1. Sports cards
2. Trading game cards (pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc).
3. Grab bags
4. Minifigure mystery bags
5. Etc.....

You could spend money on all of these things with no guarantee of ever actually getting what you wanted. I can live with that, just like I can live with Crown Crates. I make my own decisions to spend or not to spend money... and I don't feel the need to make anybody else's decisions for them. Just because something exists that is disagreeable to me does not mean I am going to condemn it for anybody else.

Defilted

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

https://youtu.be/_ICbcBcXVC0

Interesting so gamer's are considered a victim? OR the big bad Video game companies are victimizing the customers?

If you run around thinking that you do not have control of what you are doing then you will always consider yourself to be a victim of something IMO.

There will always be people that allow themselves or use the excuse they are addicted so they can continue doing what they want.

I do not dispute the research based on the video. That all seemed logical. I just disagree with the implication that ZOS is the bad party here and bares all the responsibility. There is still a choice regardless of what tactic they are using to entice you.

AlienatedGoat

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

Plus, no one is making anyone purchase anything.

No one's making you put that heroin in your arm. Thus, there's nothing wrong with heroin?

*** logic.

That is a bit unfair comparison. Unlike "game" developers, drug dealers at least do not try to sneak heroin into your food.

I feel it's perfectly fair. The tactics that game developers are using to push their gambling boxes are predatory, not unlike those of drug dealers.

Elsonso

Defilted wrote: »

Interesting so gamer's are considered a victim? OR the big bad Video game companies are victimizing the customers?

My feeling is that the video is rather alarming in that it seems to depict adults like clueless, helpless, children. Yes, victims, but more than merely victims. Helpless victims trapped by the wily psychology used by others. The video is interesting, yes, but not in the way that it is intended.

Defilted wrote: »

I do not dispute the research based on the video. That all seemed logical. I just disagree with the implication that ZOS is the bad party here and bares all the responsibility. There is still a choice regardless of what tactic they are using to entice you.

The presentation of the research is the only interesting thing in the video. That information is presented in a more entertaining, and just as accurate, manner by other videos in this thread.