Why are there no children?

KodaErikson8

My guild mates and I were discussing a few days ago why there are no children in the game at all. I asked Customer Support, and besides a funny remark about perhaps it being an Argonian conspiracy, they were unable to respond and directed me here. Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

DMuehlhausen

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

My guild mates and I were discussing a few days ago why there are no children in the game at all. I asked Customer Support, and besides a funny remark about perhaps it being an Argonian conspiracy, they were unable to respond and directed me here. Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

They did go over this once before if I remember.

It came down to what the game would be rated. If kids were in the game the way people would try to use emotes for sexual acts, or kill children NPCs it would require a higher rating than just T for Teen even with the game experience may chonge online cloause or whatever. So to make it more accessible they left them out.

kargen27

I still contend there are children everywhere and they are really good at hide and seek. In Skyrim they were not so good at hiding.

LadyLavina

@KodaErikson8

They're all in a ZOS warehouse assembling and packing crown crates.

idk

Because Zos chose to not add them. I don't think Zos has provided any philosophical explanation and doubt they would.

Inhuman003

lack of development and players will off kid npcs

Stovahkiin

Well, because of a nude glitch from a year or two ago, we do know that characters in this game are missing their naughty bits, so I don't think they're actually capable of having children.

rotaugen454

Because you know there would be people trying to kill them or making sick moves around them...

SantieClaws

It all dates back to the time when Bosmer were allowed to practice their culture freely across Tamriel yes.

It was just too tempting for them.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

vovus69

They should introduce children before Dark Brotherhood. In this case Blade of Woe would bring much more users who would buy the DB DLC I remember really annoying girl in Skyrim which I would gladly kill if I could. Unfortunately, it was unkillable in Skyrim...

-vovus

kylewwefan

Blame the filthy role players.

Nestor

Where are the Children?

Well, there is this other plane of Oblivion we do not get to see in the game. Its like a boarding school, only for the first 18 years. Once they "graduate" they are placed in the world to make their own way.

red_emu

Nestor wrote: »

Where are the Children?

Well, there is this other plane of Oblivion we do not get to see in the game. Its like a boarding school, only for the first 18 years. Once they "graduate" they are placed in the world to make their own way.

Every parent in Tamriel should get a "Parent of the year award" for literally sending their children into Oblivion!

red_emu

Bye Timmy!

zaria

Inhuman003 wrote: »

lack of development and players will off kid npcs

First is correct, second is not, you can not kill quest or service npc anyway.
They would need to add kids with kid voices of all races for one, also kid animations / behavior.

Yes it would be cool but we did not get it.

FakeFox

I'm happy there are none. They would be annoying and you for sure couldn't kill the for some moral bollocks.

Kuramas9tails

Imagine a khajiit cub. Awe.

TheShadowScout

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

Why are there no children?

...because the NPCs of tamriel heard that -Player Characters- (gasp!) would be coming, and in a frenzy of fearful anticipation of the terrible, terrible things some of them might emote doing went and hid all their kids in secret cellar dungeons?


On a more serious note...

...yeah, it is a bit annoying, immersion wise. There are several quests where the story calls for a kid to be rescued, and then the game delivers a grown man incapable of waking past a snake without some hero holding their hand, or something like that... jers the immersion somewhat. And the "Oh, my mom still treats me like a kid even though I am all grown up" excuse only works that one time...

...not to mention, the safezone cities always seem a little... lacking... without any kids in the background, just to let you feel the place might be a living, breathing world. But then, I always think the same about the lack of outhouses and bathtubs... I mean, okay, poor human peasants may just dump their chamber pot into the street each morning (historically accurate, and now you know why europe has issues with plagues throughout the middle ages) and bathe in a nearby stream once a year, but I would expect more from nobles and especially those elves...

As for the recurring "cannot dare having killable kids" argument - so what, just make them auto-dodge all attacks and scream for the guard if someone tries?

Oh, well, choices not made... I doubt they would ever refit it, really, so I guess we just have to deal with how things are.

SisterGoat

My guess is because of PR reasons, and because of ERPers...

SirMewser

We have children, haven't you met some of the players on here?
I've also adopted KodaErikson8, you can call me daddy.

Asardes

It seems only the Dunmer of Vvardenfell bathe since only they have bathtubs in their homes. The rest of the n'wah probably smell like cliffstrider dung

SirAndy

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

Because ZOS is afraid of these guys:
esrb.org/

altemriel

maybe, because stabbing children with the blade of woe would stir controversial debates

CapnPhoton

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Because you know there would be people trying to kill them or making sick moves around them...

Probably this more than anything else. Even if they made them 'no kill', there would probably still be a few weirdos out there.

Rouven

SirAndy wrote: »

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

Because ZOS is afraid of these guys:
esrb.org/

Why would that be? It's rated M for Mature 17+

GW2 has children running around and is rated T for Teen.

@TheShadowScout Love the idea that they would call the guards if someone tries to attack them.

Olupajmibanan

altemriel wrote: »

maybe, because stabbing children with the blade of woe would stir controversial debates

Stabbing Redguard NPCs does not stir any controversial debates. I doubt this would be different.

SirAndy

Rouven wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

Because ZOS is afraid of these guys:
esrb.org/

Why would that be? It's rated M for Mature 17+
GW2 has children running around and is rated T for Teen.
@TheShadowScout Love the idea that they would call the guards if someone tries to attack them.

Because gaming history is full of legal battles over games that contain violence and children. Just because one game has them doesn't mean repercussions can't be costly.

You're also likely going to get banned from markets such as Germany which has always had a firm stance when it comes to violence and children in games.

I'm not sure you're old enough to remember the Fallout debacle, but it is a good read for anyone who has questions on the topic.

Runs

https://youtu.be/u32201xjhUc

Rouven

SirAndy wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

KodaErikson8 wrote: »

Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

Because ZOS is afraid of these guys:
esrb.org/

Why would that be? It's rated M for Mature 17+
GW2 has children running around and is rated T for Teen.
@TheShadowScout Love the idea that they would call the guards if someone tries to attack them.

Because gaming history is full of legal battles over games that contain violence and children. Just because one game has them doesn't mean repercussions can't be costly.

You're also likely going to get banned from markets such as Germany which has always had a firm stance when it comes to violence and children in games.

I'm not sure you're old enough to remember the Fallout debacle, but it is a good read for anyone who has questions on the topic.

I have yet to read that anyone advocated violence to be done to the NPC kids. We do have regular NPC's that we cannot attack, I imagine that to be just like that. A little more animated of course with running around per chance.

And not on the battlefield.

Would killing an NPC next to a kid count?

I have not played Fallout! I know, mea culpa. However yes I would be old enough to remember it if I would have followed it.

Ghettokid

I don't get why kids should be unkillable. We can kill adult NPC's so why not kids? Children aren't any more valuable than adults so wheres the equality? PC brah!

And yeah, Orc.

Gargath

You cannot own a child in ESO but you can buy a cradle furniture for 410 crowns.
Good business?

red_emu

Ghettokid wrote: »

I don't get why kids should be unkillable. We can kill adult NPC's so why not kids? Children aren't any more valuable than adults so wheres the equality? PC brah!

And yeah, Orc.

I wonder how much AP would we get for killing kids in Cyrodiil?

TheShadowScout

SirAndy wrote: »

I'm not sure you're old enough to remember the Fallout debacle, but it is a good read for anyone who has questions on the topic.

Heh, I remember that one, and what a mess it was!

To recap what I recall...

In the game "FallOut2", there was a city where street urchins stood around picking the player characters pockets. Now since player characters didn't like loosing stuff from their inventory to pickpockets, they could pick the pockets of the urchins right back before they dashed off to fence the loot. Or if they were so inclined, use their trusty mad max style shotgun to "pacify" the pickpockets and loot the corpses, though having a "child Killer" rep was definitely -not- a good thing even in the lawless wastes of fallout...
Not to mention, ANY firefight near kids had a chance of killing one by accident when that shotgun blast hit the wrong target.

Anyhow, the european censors saw the game and thought killing kids could NOT be allowed, so they removed the kids.
All of them.
Everywhere.
But since they were better at making assumptions then tweaking code, they left the stealing part in the game... so, when you walked through that certain city in an EU version of the game, things from your inventory would mysteriously go missing, with no chance to steal them back.

Yes, I threw my EU version away and got myself an US version of the game to finally be able to play it without aggrivation. Never had to kill a kid either.

Of course, FallOut2 was also full of other fun details that pushed the limits of what some people considered to be acceptable in a computer game.
Definitely adult themed stuff, that I probably should not really mention in too great detail here on the forums... from the player character starring in "adult entertainment" movies over being forcibly married and having the option to sell their better half off to slavers later on, from catching a certain itch by indulging in purchasable companionship in the wrong place over using the characters "feminine wiles" to "persuade" a raider boss to accept less then the demanded ransom to your fallout boy characters spending a night as the "gimp" of a supermutant after loosing at arm wrestling (and then hearing all the villagers tell you that "once you go mutie, you can never go back", likely something having to do with the supermutants increased... size...)
Ahhh. Fun times!
-wipes away nostalgic tear-
They just don't make games like this anymore. Now gerroffmahlawn!