ESO one of the more "modest" titles in the genre?

Personofsecrets

ArchMikem wrote: »

Anyone else noticed that ESO is basically one of the only MMORPGs that ISN'T blatantly sexualized? Take the title image of Naryu and the Warden. Not a single shred of bikini armor in sight. Honestly thinking about it, im impressed a little. ZOS doesnt stoop to showing big busty Templars on their ads to gain new players.

Although there is some mild degeneracy here and there in the game, it is nice that such themes are limited.

Playing through Shadowrun, for example, was a real snore fest due to the injection of real world political themes into such a dystopian future. Some themes were just plain anachronisms and didn't fit in.

TheShadowScout

red_emu wrote: »

At the end of the day, Elder Scrolls has always been about freedom to put on whatever armor you desire.

I have no issue with that.
My issue is with wearing -one- type or armor, but displaying the visuals of a -different- type of armor.
Wearing knightly heavy plate mail while in a wedding dress.
Wearing rogueish medium armor in dancers silks.
Wearing magicians robes while in nord hero plate visuals.
Those are the things I dislike.

Now, when it is used as roleplay support in cities, to represent the characters in their "civilian garb" (without having to -actually- change your characters gear) - no issues. On the battlefield though I would prefer a "what you see is what you get" aproach...

I have no problems at all with people wearing whatever armor they desire, be it heavy armor "battlemage" type sorcerors, or "mercenary" fighters in medium armor with sword&board...

victoriana-blue

ArchMikem wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

There's a difference between "modest" and "not sexy."

Plus the datamined Nocturnal.. thing.

The Nocturnal costume though is keeping to canon at least. Its exactly how it was in TES:V. It may be real showy, but that particularly is just how Female preferred Princes look. (Or, were chosen to look)

Also not sure whats wrong with Naryu's unique outfit, its full covering even and looks a lot nicer than default Dunmer.

I know Nocturnal's costume is lore-based. I have two related-but-separate objections to it: first, that the costumes designed for female characters are disproportionately eye candy compared to the kinds of male costumes in the game. Second, that the store is offering so many eye candy costumes that those of us who prefer our characters to have non-sexy clothes are being left out.

Offering Nocturnal's outfit as a costume adds yet another ~sexy~ female costume to the store. It was datamined alongside the Divath Fyr costume; which of those would you wear to a dance club?

There's nothing "wrong" with Naryu's new costume, but it's an example of the design changes because it was designed to be eye candy where the old one wasn't. It clings to the character, and the waist mini-girdle-thing accentuates both hourglass and carrot figures. (Again, hourglass women and carrot men - one's a sex object and one's a power fantasy.) It's a really well thought-out costume, the designer deserves a round of drinks for it! But it's still eye candy.

(To reiterate, I have no problems with eye candy costumes - I own Naryu's new costume and laugh at the way it accentuates my male main's bum.)

Cpt_Teemo

ArchMikem wrote: »

Anyone else noticed that ESO is basically one of the only MMORPGs that ISN'T blatantly sexualized? Take the title image of Naryu and the Warden. Not a single shred of bikini armor in sight. Honestly thinking about it, im impressed a little. ZOS doesnt stoop to showing big busty Templars on their ads to gain new players.

That's why they keep the crown store hidden from advertisements ^

Samadhi

Rouven wrote: »

The only thing that "bothers" me about that is that ESO does so well in offering tattoos and other skins ... which are hard to see because you hardly show any skin.

Other than that it's refreshing.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

At the end of the day, Elder Scrolls has always been about freedom to put on whatever armor you desire.

I have no issue with that.
My issue is with wearing -one- type or armor, but displaying the visuals of a -different- type of armor.
Wearing knightly heavy plate mail while in a wedding dress.
Wearing rogueish medium armor in dancers silks.
Wearing magicians robes while in nord hero plate visuals.
Those are the things I dislike.

Now, when it is used as roleplay support in cities, to represent the characters in their "civilian garb" (without having to -actually- change your characters gear) - no issues. On the battlefield though I would prefer a "what you see is what you get" aproach...

I have no problems at all with people wearing whatever armor they desire, be it heavy armor "battlemage" type sorcerors, or "mercenary" fighters in medium armor with sword&board...

going to keep tanking in my dress
as long as my dress shows off my tattoos better than my armour,
but have, at least, dyed it to match my shield

Also all my crafted heavy sets use Khajiit or Primal heavy feet,
because getting hit by monsters for a living has immunized me to stubbed toes

ArchMikem

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

Hey all,

We've removed a few posts because they were in violation of our forum policy on nudity. Please be sure all posts follow the forums rules and stay relevant to the topic being discussed.

Thanks,
KatP

That's actually a little funny, considering that nudity is the game's fault.

teiselaise

Whaaaat? There's skimpy outfits everywhere, oh wait, I'm just attracted to argonians

anadandy

I kind of dig the subtlety (though I add a plus 1 for some more 'revealing yet masculine' outfits for men)

For example, my favorite achievement was the Indecent Exposure one, where if you get busted wearing a full set of stolen gear you are 'indecently' exposed. And some of the NPC dialogue - I forget where I was but one blacksmith says "I'd like to hammer at her forge."

SantieClaws

Yes Khajiit is a little confused at the removal of the images.

These were all pictures taken in Tamriel during the very best month in its history yes.

If it is there and we can see it there then why can we not also see it here?

Also Khajiit was surprised no one linked her picture of Spencer Rye. Fear not Khajiit will not do so herself but his laid back attitude to his lack of pants was quite eye watering indeed!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

raj72616a

Lyserus wrote: »

true

and I am suprosed there is no spear weapon, we can't even "polish spears"

that was why i main a templar?

TheShadowScout

Lyserus wrote: »

true

and I am suprosed there is no spear weapon, we can't even "polish spears"

...isn't that the job of argonian maids?

Teridaxus

Well people are pushing hard to change that on top of turning this game into another generic mmo.
Expect chain bikinis in 1-2 years.

MehrunesFlagon

Teridaxus wrote: »

Well people are pushing hard to change that on top of turning this game into another generic mmo.
Expect chain bikinis in 1-2 years.

sweet

Mitrenga

I'm seeing fat orcs in revealing costumes riding camels, so...

It does not mean sexuality does not exist if you haven't seen everything.

Vrienda

I'd welcome them adding more skimpy/sexy outfits and armor.

I find this whole fear of showing skin to be a bit old fashioned and as for armor impracticality, all female armor is impractical in ESO, it's a Fantasy game, who cares?

ArchMikem

Vrienda wrote: »

I'd welcome them adding more skimpy/sexy outfits and armor.

I find this whole fear of showing skin to be a bit old fashioned and as for armor impracticality, all female armor is impractical in ESO, it's a Fantasy game, who cares?

To be frank I'm sure the main reason is everyone knows there's a massive amount of young players who completely disregarded the 'M' rating and had their parent or older sibling buy the game for them. And you'd be starved to find a parent who's completely fine with letting their kid dress their female character in something skimpy and then proceed to dance for other players in Mournhold, all while playing in the Living Room.

Then again, if anything like that happens, it's their fault their kid had access in the first place, not ZOS's. And since I myself am of quite legal age and then some, I'd appreciate some eye candy as well.

Will definitely be buying that Nocturnal Costume if it hits the Crown Store.

inthecoconut

It is pretty refreshing. I find that, overall, Western MMOs aren't as over the top as Eastern MMOs but ESO has still impressed me in comparison to WoW and GW2 even. I'm still unfamiliar with a lot of armor styles in the game though, and I desperately wish for transmutation so we can change the appearance of armor pieces.

Having said that, I like heavy armor, but I also find myself struggling with wanting to show off more skin for Mind Shriven and Dro-m’Athra.

kyle.wilson

This sums up a lot of RPGS in regards to female chars.
https://youtu.be/-vI5tdORhC0

kyle.wilson

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

I'd welcome them adding more skimpy/sexy outfits and armor.

I find this whole fear of showing skin to be a bit old fashioned and as for armor impracticality, all female armor is impractical in ESO, it's a Fantasy game, who cares?

To be frank I'm sure the main reason is everyone knows there's a massive amount of young players who completely disregarded the 'M' rating and had their parent or older sibling buy the game for them. And you'd be starved to find a parent who's completely fine with letting their kid dress their female character in something skimpy and then proceed to dance for other players in Mournhold, all while playing in the Living Room.

Then again, if anything like that happens, it's their fault their kid had access in the first place, not ZOS's. And since I myself am of quite legal age and then some, I'd appreciate some eye candy as well.

Will definitely be buying that Nocturnal Costume if it hits the Crown Store.

Most of the players I play with are well into their 20's or older.
At least this isn't like GTA V where it seems that 90% of the player base is 12 or acts 12.

PrayingSeraph

I have never found boob plate armour or skin revealing armour to hurt immersion for me. If I was that nitpicky, The inventory system would utterly destroy my immersion. Somehow my character can hold tons of armour, swords, staves, crafting items etc all in his pocket or magically invisible backpack. Or perhaps the fact my character can be stabbed repeatedly then be burnt alive by fireballs, yet can heal immediately afterwards just by being out of combat. A realistic game just would not be fun...

Chronicburn

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

Hey all,

We've removed a few posts because they were in violation of our forum policy on nudity. Please be sure all posts follow the forums rules and stay relevant to the topic being discussed.

Thanks,
KatP

I understand there's a policy, but this is a game that depicts humans being brutally murdered. Actually there's is a whole skill line basically dedicated to brutally murdering people in cold blood.
I really think society's values are way out of whack on this one ... where something that's terrible in real life is fun to play and watch, but something that's natural and fun is so censored and taboo ... just my 2c ...

MLGProPlayer

I love it. I hate sexualization in video games (male or female). It breaks immersion and feeds misogynistic social norms on gender.

runagate

victoriana-blue wrote: »

The game has always had a slant toward carrot/power fantasy men

Nice to see you around, friend, but I'm asking for a clarification on that bit. Genuinely not sure what that means. carrot/power?


I played a show with Cat Power once. She was, much to my surprise, not a Khajiit.

Samadhi

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

I'd welcome them adding more skimpy/sexy outfits and armor.

I find this whole fear of showing skin to be a bit old fashioned and as for armor impracticality, all female armor is impractical in ESO, it's a Fantasy game, who cares?

To be frank I'm sure the main reason is everyone knows there's a massive amount of young players who completely disregarded the 'M' rating and had their parent or older sibling buy the game for them. And you'd be starved to find a parent who's completely fine with letting their kid dress their female character in something skimpy and then proceed to dance for other players in Mournhold, all while playing in the Living Room.

Then again, if anything like that happens, it's their fault their kid had access in the first place, not ZOS's. And since I myself am of quite legal age and then some, I'd appreciate some eye candy as well.

Will definitely be buying that Nocturnal Costume if it hits the Crown Store.

Gave up on video game ratings a few years ago,
was at a store looking through games when a young child and what appeared to be his grandmother came up
he picked up Call of Duty or some such and asked her for it
she said to him "I don't know if this game is suited to you"
he grabbed another game off the shelf with a demon on the cover
and said something to the effect of "no no this is too scary for me, this one is fine"

took a moment to politely try and speak to her and explain the ESRB ratings on the boxes
and how the one he wanted was rated Mature and the one he compared to was rated Teen,
both as 'too severe' content for his age group

you know how she thanked me?
grabbed both games, said "don't try to tell me what he can and can't play"
and took him by the arm and went straight for the checkout

now, that is likely the type of grandmotherly instincts that would be enacted by myself at her age,
so do not judge her
but ESRB ratings are pretty bad at doing the job they are 'meant' to

KochDerDamonen

Meh, not every game is an asian titty fest

WacArnold

I remember in oblivion in one of the dark brotherhood quests you had to kill a whole family, anyways one thing you could say to the son before you killed him was. "Your mother bled like a pig". This game does seem a bit more modest.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Andreas_Draconis

Cpt_Teemo

runagate wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

The game has always had a slant toward carrot/power fantasy men

Nice to see you around, friend, but I'm asking for a clarification on that bit. Genuinely not sure what that means. carrot/power?


I played a show with Cat Power once. She was, much to my surprise, not a Khajiit.

Or is she, what if she's a vampire and can hide her true form

srfrogg23

I did notice and I greatly appreciate that fact. It’s nice when a developer doesn’t insult my intelligence by trying to tug on my daddy-bags until my wallet pops open like a New Year’s Eve party favor.

yttoks

As the great Nigel Tufnel once said:

"What's wrong with sexy?"

vyndral13preub18_ESO

No worries more an more costumes are getting closer and closer. And if your tired of waiting just break out the dark shaman costume which has been in the game for how long?

Eso May have less of it because they made sure none of the motifs had it. And if the motif did, it was edited out. Looking at you boob windows. Or maybe not looking at you, since you were removed. Now you can only fight in a bra if you pay for it in the store.