Is Miats Add-On Cheating to you?

randomkeyhits · October 2017

YES

Primarily because the only way you can have a level playing field is if everyone has it installed. Never heard of it? then tough luck, be disadvantaged simply by playing the game you bought.

The alerts specifically are cheats, removing a genuine element of risk in PvP intended by the developers can only be cheating.

Axoinus · October 2017

Yes. Cheating. It's not even a gray area.

Just because ZOS hasn't done anything about it, doesn't mean they think it is ok.

eso_nya · October 2017

NO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

There is alot of options how that _can_ be legit:

a: Someone farmed a ton of nodes over a long period of time in craglorn, than accidently overheard they r usefull and decided to sell some off. (Your pic shows the time it sold, not the time he put it in, so even when assumeing he didnt already have them, there is no way to see his average "new crux/day" ratio).

b: Flipping the market. Buy cheap nirncrux and sell for higher amount later. Stocking up on nirncrux after hotr hit pts might or might not have been a reason to do so. "sell high buy low"

c: Multiple players. U can send stuff to friend whos in a trading guild to sell it for u.

The only thing that looks kinda funny/fishy is that there seem to some stacks showing up twice. Never been in a tradeguild, but is it possible to buy your own stuff to make it look like u sold sth?

On topic:
I dont see how using an addon, which is know to and was investigated by the devs is considered cheating.
There have been addons that caused an uproar, followed by a change to the api within a few weeks, w/o any dev comment apart from "there was something in the api that shouldnt have been there, so we fixed it". On that one they went ahead and made a long post explaining what it does and saying they r okay with it nearly a year ago.

Does it give u an unfair advantage? Does attacking someone w/o the target being able to notice the incoming attack give u an unfair advantage? Imho: The addon negates an unfair advantage and leaves both parties w/o any advantage over each other.
But yeah: opinion. Not that i want to get involved in the mudbattle over a pvp-addon.

Juhasow · October 2017

NO

Enslaved wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Grow up people. If Miat is cheating then any add on is cheating. I would go even further and say that if Miat is cheating then any playstyle or build in the game that gives adventage to user is cheating. Miat is not cheating but it's definietly development oversight.

So, you say that addon that tracks crafting is cheating?
Maybe addon that tracks what daily quests you did?
Or addon that shows you what recipes you know on your characters?
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Similar to miat I guess.

Every add-on is using data from same source provided by development and allowed to use to create add-ons. At the end add-ons are using same data but serve different purpose so why 1 purpose is cheating and 2nd isnt if both are based on same legit source ? If You call one add-on a cheat then basicly You call every add-on a cheat.

Simple as that.

This logic is brilliant. Same as it would be calling every single German ***, because of WW2, or calling every single Albanian holy, because of Mother Teresa.

Lol mate You're now my new master of missed comparisions

It's like comparing definition of add-on to definition of program and saying that every program is an add-on. I think You missed the point entirely.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

NO

PVPers can never be satisfied.

Enslaved · October 2017

YES

Juhasow wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Grow up people. If Miat is cheating then any add on is cheating. I would go even further and say that if Miat is cheating then any playstyle or build in the game that gives adventage to user is cheating. Miat is not cheating but it's definietly development oversight.

So, you say that addon that tracks crafting is cheating?
Maybe addon that tracks what daily quests you did?
Or addon that shows you what recipes you know on your characters?
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Similar to miat I guess.

Every add-on is using data from same source provided by development and allowed to use to create add-ons. At the end add-ons are using same data but serve different purpose so why 1 purpose is cheating and 2nd isnt if both are based on same legit source ? If You call one add-on a cheat then basicly You call every add-on a cheat.

Simple as that.

This logic is brilliant. Same as it would be calling every single German ***, because of WW2, or calling every single Albanian holy, because of Mother Teresa.

Lol mate You're now my new master of missed comparisions

It's like comparing definition of add-on to definition of program and saying that every program is an add-on. I think You missed the point entirely.

You stated that every single addon is a cheat or no addon is cheat. I used a hyperbole to show how ridiculous is your statement. Do you still claim that an addon that tracks your crafting timers is the same as an addon that shows you when someone channels some attack on you from stealth? How can anyone say something so stupid?

DeadlyRecluse · October 2017

NO

I don't consider it cheating, but I don't/won't use it myself. So I guess I have a double standard that only negatively affects me.

bmannb16_ESO · October 2017

NO

Then animation cancelling should be considered cheating. Most players "can't" do that either, and the ones that cas have a colossal advantage.

jaws343 · October 2017

YES

PlagueSD wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

^^^

As it stands, it tells the user when someone presses their frags/snipe as an example, even if they are stealthed, combat has not started, and the ability isn't yet cast. That is not possible in the base game- the addon allows you to react faster to events a regular player playing vanilla cannot. This specific function is absolutely cheating in my opinion.

Rest of the addon is great, and a shame I'll never get to DL it.

Turn your music up. as SOON as the combat music starts, you're in combat. There. I just did the same thing Miat's does...I'm willing to bet everyone that's [snip] about this add-on doesn't listen to the in-game music.

As far as the casting timer. The default UI DOES show this. You ever SEE the red sparkly lines around a player, guess what, they casting/channeling something.

Unless that player is out of your line of sight. Or you are taking on multiple players and don't see the cast time ability being charged by one. Your argument actually supports the removal of this feature in the add-on with the use of a key word: SEE. If you are unable to see the casting opponent, whether they are in stealth, behind you, or you just miss the animation, you shouldn't be allowed a cheating crutch to avoid the ability to make up for a lack of skill or an oversight.

Well, If ZoS provides the API, it's fair game. They can always remove it in a future patch. What's that saying? "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." If you want an addon free gaming experience, there's Xbox and Playstation.

Look, I am an Xbox player. But that is such a ridiculous argument, that in order to play the game, as designed by the devs and not some programmer who admittedly assumes he knows better than the game designers, someone must spend more money to play the game on another platform.

It's not like playing on console is immune from these ridiculous add-ons. As long as combat, or mechanics, or other in-game content is balanced around some of these add-ons, as a console player, I will continue to speak up about add-ons that provide unfair advantages in a PVP zone.

And if you think console players are not effected by these add-ons, you are delusional. I only have to point you in the direction of the recent Clever Alchemist nerf for proof. I mentioned this in another thread, but console users are being punished with a nerf on this set because there are entitled PC users who need add-ons in PVP.

ZOS_KatP · October 2017

Hey all,

Since there's already another thread on this topic, we've decided to close this one. Please feel free to continue this discussion here.

Thanks,
KatP