Is Miats Add-On Cheating to you?

Chrysa1is

ZOS if this poll has already been made, please delete.

Ultimately, it is up for ZOS to decide whether the add on is cheating or not, but hopefully if they listen to the players views and opinions, it will help them make a choice on the matter. I really don't think ZOS should approve, and they really need to listen to the players.

Please keep this thread friendly as I know this will probably set some keyboards on fire. The reason there is no middle 'Don't care' answer, is because you either think it is cheating, or you don't. If you don't have a yes or no answer, this thread is not for you.

So give us your answer, and your reasons.

I would vote YES, it is cheating, because this completely ruins the mechanics of how a Nightblade uses stealth to combat their enemies. If a player with the add-on can see when they are about to get attacked, and see stealthed players, then that ruins PvP for that player and gives everyone with the add on an unfair advantage against those who want to play the game fairly. That goes for all players that are in stealth or are launching their attacks. You can also just check the map to see which Keep is under attack. Telling everyone to have the add on to stop them from complaining is not a solution. No one should be forced to use something they deem unfair just because you feel it will make everything okay. If everyone used this, then I can imagine PvP would be extremely boring.

Sheezabeast

YES

Yes but my opinion doesn't mean crap because Zos said they approve of it.

agegarton

NO

Another whinging Miat thread...... how very very dull.

Sixty5

NO

I don't see it as cheating per-say, rather more going against the spirit of fair play.

Jade1986

YES

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Yes but my opinion doesn't mean crap because Zos said they approve of it.

No they didnt. They never officially said that, and they have recently stated they are looking back into it.

Avran_Sylt

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

Jade1986

YES

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

I agree, I would be 100 % fine with the add on if that one part was removed or if the api was edited to not allow add ons in general to show things like that.

Danksta

Technically it's not since ZoS is the one who determines what is cheating or not. If I was the one to make that decision it most certainly would not be allowed and I don't see why ZoS would. This is one of the very few reasons I'm glad I'm a console player and if I were a mostly PvP player I would never consider switching to PC.

Chrysa1is

YES

anyone that does/uses something that gives them an unfair advantage over someone else when the same rules apply to everyone else is cheating though.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

Jade1986

YES

Danksta wrote: »

Technically it's not since ZoS is the one who determines what is cheating or not. If I was the one to make that decision it most certainly would not be allowed and I don't see why ZoS would. This is one of the very few reasons I'm glad I'm a console player and if I were a mostly PvP player I would never consider switching to PC.

Any reasonable and responsible gaming company would not allow it, but zos seems to be more concentrated on crown crates than anything else.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

YES

And this is just one that we know of. There is no telling how my 'private' add-on's that are being used to cheat even further.

Avran_Sylt

Chrysa1is wrote: »

anyone that does/uses something that gives them an unfair advantage over someone else when the same rules apply to everyone else is cheating though.

Are you referencing the edge-cases of the addon that pertain to the cast-timer? or the addon as a whole?

DocFrost72

YES

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

^^^

As it stands, it tells the user when someone presses their frags/snipe as an example, even if they are stealthed, combat has not started, and the ability isn't yet cast. That is not possible in the base game- the addon allows you to react faster to events a regular player playing vanilla cannot. This specific function is absolutely cheating in my opinion.

Rest of the addon is great, and a shame I'll never get to DL it.

Thannazzar

NO

Nope, anything which cripples stealth bombers and gankers is a feature rather than an exploit.

Don't like it then strap on some heavy armor and fight like a warrior not a skulking coward!

Chrysa1is

YES

Nightblades don't really benefit as much from heavy armour though do they, so why would they wear heavy armour? Nightblades use stealth and use the element of surprise to help them win. Nightblades also aren't really warriors are they?
Best counter for bombers and gankers is sticking with a team, detect potions, and not wandering off alone.

Thannazzar wrote: »

Nope, anything which cripples stealth bombers and gankers is a feature rather than an exploit.

Don't like it then strap on some heavy armor and fight like a warrior not a skulking coward!

Chrysa1is

YES

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

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Chrysa1is wrote: »

anyone that does/uses something that gives them an unfair advantage over someone else when the same rules apply to everyone else is cheating though.

Are you referencing the edge-cases of the addon that pertain to the cast-timer? or the addon as a whole?

The whole thing.

Cpt_Teemo

Danksta wrote: »

Technically it's not since ZoS is the one who determines what is cheating or not. If I was the one to make that decision it most certainly would not be allowed and I don't see why ZoS would. This is one of the very few reasons I'm glad I'm a console player and if I were a mostly PvP player I would never consider switching to PC.

They can't even tell a bot from a real person farming materials how would they know what is cheating in game?

Runschei

YES

Thannazzar wrote: »

Nope, anything which cripples stealth bombers and gankers is a feature rather than an exploit.

Don't like it then strap on some heavy armor and fight like a warrior not a skulking coward!

You sound like a zergling. And what is the only thing able to defeat a zerg? A bomber

Cpt_Teemo

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

umagon

I think it’s a crutch more than anything, also zos probably will not do much to change it. Because they would have to invest money into changing the API so the addon would not function in the manner it does now. And that investment will have little to no return. I think the bigger question is why isn’t the discussion about the API brought up on the ESO Live stream?

Malic

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

Looks legit to me.

Look all kidding aside, most of you are approaching this problem the wrong way. ZOS knows all this poop, they arent acting on any of it because you are still logging in despite it.

Why is that so hard to understand? You are the problem if you continue to consume a product that isnt up to your standard. None of this is new, these conditions didnt just appear. Some of this stuff has been going on for years, every player who logs into ESO should know this. Ignorance just dosent fly anymore.

Autumnhart

NO

This addon has been around for quite a while now, at what point will the death of stealth PVP people keep foretelling happen? My cloakblades are doing fine.

Edited for gratuitous insult.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

YES

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

Anyone with that much crux is botting and/or duping.

JamieAubrey

I only use it for the KOS feature for when people TBag me, they get added so I know to return the favour later

Cpt_Teemo

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

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Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

Anyone with that much crux is botting and/or duping.

Yeah I mean I search around for nirn crux every other day and the highest amount I have ever seen on one trader was like 5-10 at a time, and I highly doubt they take the time to spam every zone Wtb nirns every single minute of the day

Recremen

It's obvi not cheating since it's a consequence of what they've opened up to the API and they have never said a bad word about it, but it's also not really what I would want to be in the game. If they removed that part of the API I'd probably be happier. And I'd probably land more heavy attack -> poison injection combos.

Urza1234

YES

Malic wrote: »

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Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I've asked my guild if this person was legit and they said he was just using stam sorc speed node farming.

Looks legit to me.

Look all kidding aside, most of you are approaching this problem the wrong way. ZOS knows all this poop, they arent acting on any of it because you are still logging in despite it.

Why is that so hard to understand? You are the problem if you continue to consume a product that isnt up to your standard. None of this is new, these conditions didnt just appear. Some of this stuff has been going on for years, every player who logs into ESO should know this. Ignorance just dosent fly anymore.

Yep, thats why Ive been unsubscribed and uninstalled about 5x as much since launch as not. My tolerance for developers who dont give value for money is pretty low.

That said IMO they've definitely improved in the last year or so, the quantity and quality of content being released has improved, even though people whine about heavy attacks, heavy armor, and heavy everything else. Thus my playtime and financial support has proportionally increased.

Avran_Sylt

Chrysa1is wrote: »

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Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

anyone that does/uses something that gives them an unfair advantage over someone else when the same rules apply to everyone else is cheating though.

Are you referencing the edge-cases of the addon that pertain to the cast-timer? or the addon as a whole?

The whole thing.

Then don't pick on just one addon, and make it clear that you are against any addon being used in PvP.

Aliyavana

YES

Thannazzar wrote: »

Nope, anything which cripples stealth bombers and gankers is a feature rather than an exploit.

Don't like it then strap on some heavy armor and fight like a warrior not a skulking coward!

Sounds like you don't like stealth playstyle so sounds like elder scrolls games are not for you

Morgul667

YES

Any other game would call that cheating

PlagueSD

NO

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The edge-cases present with the cast-timer part of his addon I consider an unfair advantage due to the ability to instantly react against another player via information not present in the basic UI in any manner.

The rest of the addon, and there is a lot more to this addon than just the cast-timer, are fine in my opinion. Given that these reactions are not quite so instantaneous. (Keep alerts, etc. all require travel time)

Don't blanket his entire addon as a cheat.

^^^

As it stands, it tells the user when someone presses their frags/snipe as an example, even if they are stealthed, combat has not started, and the ability isn't yet cast. That is not possible in the base game- the addon allows you to react faster to events a regular player playing vanilla cannot. This specific function is absolutely cheating in my opinion.

Rest of the addon is great, and a shame I'll never get to DL it.

Turn your music up. as SOON as the combat music starts, you're in combat. There. I just did the same thing Miat's does...I'm willing to bet everyone that's [snip] about this add-on doesn't listen to the in-game music.

As far as the casting timer. The default UI DOES show this. You ever see the red sparkly lines around a player, guess what, they casting/channeling something.