Stam users need new resource

ereboz

Stam builds obviously use stamina. So does break free, block, roll dodge. So it's very easy to run out of resources. It would be more manageable if they used rage or energy, or something for their skills, and still stamina for the other things like magic classes.

getemshauna

No, they don't. Stamina skills are much cheaper, staminas heavy attacks are way shorter.

Shadzilla

This game is extremely tough to balance, making a change like that would destroy years of balancing to get to the point we are currently at...

Feanor

That's why stamina skills are 15% cheaper across the board than Magicka ones. Also having your Defense tied to your primary resource is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

Zer0oo

just play the meta an spam heavy attacks - fun ....

zaria

Having mostly played magic build I learned this lesson fast.
on the other hand an healer should never get OOM either, an DD can go OOM but should not as he might not be able to keep dot up.

Nord_Templar

Sorcerers have infinite magic, but they can easily be killed by a shot with poison, out of invisibility. Swift hard strikes, and then quickly finish off. However, Sorceser can pour the ocean of magical energy onto any character using Stamina, and very quickly kill him, too. And, as we all remember, there was a time when Stamina was more quickly restored, and it was a time of incredible Nightblades, they were very dangerous.
In this game, you can develop a character who use both Magic and Stamina. Such a character, it seems to me, is very dangerous, in combat.

SirAndy

ereboz wrote: »

Stam builds obviously use stamina. So does break free, block, roll dodge. So it's very easy to run out of resources. It would be more manageable if they used rage or energy, or something for their skills, and still stamina for the other things like magic classes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359172/zos-the-secret-to-class-balance-add-a-4th-resource/p1

Urza1234

ereboz wrote: »

Stam builds obviously use stamina. So does break free, block, roll dodge. So it's very easy to run out of resources. It would be more manageable if they used rage or energy, or something for their skills, and still stamina for the other things like magic classes.

U realize this is built into the design of stamina gameplay from day one? Stamina builds have more access to the main utility resource in exchange for having to sacrifice DPS if they abuse that access. U are complaining about one of the fundamental design concepts of the game and one of the things that ZoS got completely right.

THWIP71

Try eating bananas or mangos before you play.

geonsocal

mojo...we all need a generous supply of - mojo...

Wreuntzylla

Feanor wrote: »

That's why stamina skills are 15% cheaper across the board than Magicka ones. Also having your Defense tied to your primary resource is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

QFT! That's why hybrid sorcs dodge rolling all around now.

Sixty5

Magicka builds need to manage their stamina well enough to dodge attacks and break free, as well as managing Magicka for damage and defense.

Stam builds only really need to worry about covering the cost of one or two magicka based utility skills, and beyond that everything is tied to their primary resource.

Plus recovery along with medium armour passives help to reduce the impact of having to dodge and break free all the time.

Zbigb4life

Sixty5 wrote: »

Magicka builds need to manage their stamina well enough to dodge attacks and break free, as well as managing Magicka for damage and defense.

Stam builds only really need to worry about covering the cost of one or two magicka based utility skills, and beyond that everything is tied to their primary resource.

Plus recovery along with medium armour passives help to reduce the impact of having to dodge and break free all the time.

But apparently everyone wears heavy armor

Beardimus

Sorry you are a Stamina player moaning about using Stamina to CC break etc? Huh?

How about a Magika toon that has to run extra stamina solely for CC breaking? Stamina toons can stack one stat.

Personally I'd love Cc break to use magika, at least split them 50/50 i.e. Fear / encase break use magika.

Sixty5

Zbigb4life wrote: »

But apparently everyone wears heavy armor

Heavy armour gives you the constitution passive which if proccing on cooldown gives you 651 effective stam recovery. Medium armour gives additional regen per piece, but to get the same amount of regen as heavy offers, you'd need over 2k stamina recovery before any other percentage amps.

Heavy armour also adds tankiness so you don't need to dodge or block as much.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

This isn’t an issue so why change it?

DisgracefulMind

lol. why does everyone cry for stamina "buffs" when stamina is in a fantastic place right now in pve and pvp.

DeadlyRecluse

Differential resource management is like, the core of the playstyle changes between magicka and stamina builds in this game, but asking for that difference to be removed is one of those topics that gets frequently raised. Absolutely bizarre.

pod88kk

I'd say they need to find a way to make that Stam shield a bit more viable