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Minno

Hymzir wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

There is a great wall of text by @Hymzir here with plenty of solid suggestions worth a read. Note that Hymzir may or may not agree with my statements here and I am not putting words in their mouth, but rather pointing to another templar post I found thoughtful.

Just stopping by to note that I agree with pretty much all you said, and am happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks the way I do about the state of Templars. Like many others have pointed out, it is amazing how consistent the feedback given by Templar players is. We may not all agree on specific fixes to the issues, but we are very much in unison as to what is wrong with the class and what needs to be done in general.

Long story short, templars are a hot mess right now and have plenty of glaring issues that need addressed. Instead of addressing them, we're trying the same tired, useless approach that has repeatedly failed in the past, completely ignoring what the most informed players and biggest names in templars have been saying for years. At the same time, we're being kicked while we're down with a senseless nerf. Thanks, ZOS.

Which brings me to a second thing I want to point - it is also equally amazing how uniform the indifference of ZOS is towards the Templar class. For years now we have been a mess of crappy passives and useless skills. We have never really given any proper buffs along the way. Just nerfs and more nerfs. And if we do get a buff, we will always get a nerf too, to compensate things. And then a patch later the buff will get nerfed but the original "balancing" nerf will also stay.

Remember when the self heals on Puncturing Sweep got nerfed due to the fact that we have such an easy time of keeping Major Mending up. Then they decided that Major Mending made our other heals way too good and it got nerfed to just Minor Mending. But Puncturing Sweep still got to keep the nerf. That's just the way it goes with Templars.

In all the Time that ESO has been live, Templars have been crapped on by ZOS, and usually rank at the bottom when people rate the classes. (Just search the forums for old posts about ranking the classes. Templars will almost always be at the bottom end of the scale.) The few times we actually managed to become effective, and useful as a class, were never due to changes made to the class itself. (Except possibly with the introduction of the very first incarnation of Radiant Destruction. Since that thing was just out of whack in it's initial release form.) When ever Templar performance has improved due to changes made by a patch, it has pretty much always been due to something non-Templar class specific being changed or introduced, that just happened to be very beneficial to Templars in particular. But usually that also meant that few updates later Templars would once more be on the receiving end of the nerf bat.

Like few others have remarked - the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Wrobel hates Templars.

PvP:
They only play specific classes and when they review videos to see how the players are playing, it's almost exclusively nightblades.

That leaves many of us struggling to get our voices out on how Templars or DKs are played. Gaurenteed, if krotha had more viewers when he was streaming, you'd see some buffs to DKs that would make sense. That's why wardens have some love (Kodi), nightblades (Jules and everyone else), and sorcs (fengrush). It's not a negative to streamers, its just that the typical daily video feeds show the daily use of those characters which gives better insight to those classes that us DKs and Templars have to struggle to get our voices out.

And it doesn't help sometimes the streamers are fighting organized guilds/players that are using Templars/DKs in a specific group synergy but that balance rolls downhill and heavily impacted those of us that only play for a casual amount of time.

It's literally impossible to sue how we play on a daily basis, and then we are frustrated when we mention what ails these classes but it's clear they are looking at something specific or a very limited point of view.

Xvorg

jrgray93 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

If you´re dying to a sorc on a classic templar build you´re doing something incredibly wrong - but that´s just me...

I'm not. Usually a stalemate if they don't have help.

Kilandros wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

What are these "DK resistances" of which you speak? I don't want to derail your thread, but DKs and Templars are kind of in the same boat defensively, right?

Similar in terms of spells but better blocking and sustain passives, as well as vastly superior ults. Templars not built specifically for blocking will run out of stamina in a hurry. Stam DKs in particular can shake that off. Mag is more or less in a similar boat.

I'm becoming increasingly confused by what you're saying and what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you ought to proceed carefully with the nebulous class comparisons--it will make this a much cleaner discussion.

I'm saying magicka DKs are in a similar situation to templars but can still get away with a bit more blocking (the aforementioned "resistances") but stamina DKs can get away with a LOT more blocking. Their healing is also far more of a passive act, especially with Battle Roar. The point remains that templars are predominately, if not exclusively, the class without a quintessential escape or mitigation method outside of simply healing through the damage. DK CC also helps considerably to avoid damage entirely, while templars have had their CC gutted time and time again. I cannot comment on how the DK CC changes on the PTS will translate to live, but DKs have roots for days right now.

This is just a ridiculous statement. If you want to keep doing this, I'll go ahead and eviscerate your arguments but it will detract from the purpose of the thread. I dislike many of the Templar changes so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you keep posting stuff that displays a startling lack of understanding of basic class mechanics this thread is going to go south real fast.

I'm honestly having trouble figuring out your objection but I know you main a DK and I main a templar so there's also likely some bias at play.

So I'll just say I have a far easier time downing templars than I do DKs. There has to be something causing that. I don't mean to imply that DKs are superior. I'm just saying the unique survival mechanism of the templar being the target of a nerf is silly.

You can shut down any perma DK just using a CC, or a stam poison. Stamina is not eternal

I'm not referring to perma-block DKs, but rather well-built DKs with offensive capability. Perma-block is another issue entirely. I also refuse to use resource drain poisons on principle but I get that I'm robbing myself of an edge by doing that and that's on me.

It is the same than defile. Both Temps and DKs have some kind of kryptonite.

Derra

Joy_Division wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

You could do what I do, slot a disease enchant.

@Joy_Division that´s why i pointed it to being argonian. They can not be defiled by disease enchant procc.

The secondary effect of elemental dmg does not work on resistant races as in:

no defile/poisoned on woodelf/argonian
no burning on darkelf
no chilled on nord

Minno

Derra wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

You could do what I do, slot a disease enchant.

@Joy_Division that´s why i pointed it to being argonian. They can not be defiled by disease enchant procc.

The secondary effect of elemental dmg does not work on resistant races as in:

no defile/poisoned on woodelf/argonian
no burning on darkelf
no chilled on nord

Correct, Paul and waffenact had that thread about the fact that specific resists valves are immune to the status effects those damages give. I think joy missed out on that info .

soll

I'm going to talk more from PVP aspect.

IMO having 3 totally useless skills (1 in each class skill lines) is absurd., while another one is just working weird. Yes, I see them trying to do something about, but still no one is running it (they even nerfed troll-blaze-plars, like did they bother anyone, lol?). Ultimates also are funny. Nerfed remembrance which comparing to resto is just laughable (not in zerg situation though)? Nova which is used only for damage reduction with such a huge cost? Repentance, which is not even shadow of old glory. And all this channeled and position gameplay, 0 mobility.
And not even speaking about passives.

Thats why it's heavy, S'n'B with 1h ulti (waiting for nerf).
Nah, yes, for sure all of the templars will adapt with new cost of cleanse, yet another hit in no-CP pvp, where templar are even more sad.

One day we'll get buff. 1 sec cast for healing ritual or what so ever other crap.

Tired, but still love templar.

Lexxypwns

Minno wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Joy_Division

That wasn't the point I guess. OP says that Templars are one Major Defile away from death most times if Ritual is so expensive. @Derra pointed out that Sorcs for example don't have native access to major defile and that enchants don't work on 2 of the best races for mag and stam Templars that you encounter quite often in Cyrodiil in response to that.

I don't think the Templar nerfs have been warranted either. The S&B block casting Healbots warp the picture of the class and are the reason for the recent nerfs I guess.

Idk if the healbots are to blame . I think it's a two fold review of the siphoner CP star. We mentioned that that star was useless even after it's change to 25% max. So they buffed the hell out of it too make it more attractive.

Then they decided that in order to make that star attractive against templars who can remove the debuff altogether, they increased the cost to our class defining skill to make that star stick.

It's following their intent of "buff one, nerf another" mentality we have been seeing this pts cycle.

Templar has always been the only class worth using siphoner on since it eats up one of their purges and will leave other effects still on them

Minno

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Joy_Division

That wasn't the point I guess. OP says that Templars are one Major Defile away from death most times if Ritual is so expensive. @Derra pointed out that Sorcs for example don't have native access to major defile and that enchants don't work on 2 of the best races for mag and stam Templars that you encounter quite often in Cyrodiil in response to that.

I don't think the Templar nerfs have been warranted either. The S&B block casting Healbots warp the picture of the class and are the reason for the recent nerfs I guess.

Idk if the healbots are to blame . I think it's a two fold review of the siphoner CP star. We mentioned that that star was useless even after it's change to 25% max. So they buffed the hell out of it too make it more attractive.

Then they decided that in order to make that star attractive against templars who can remove the debuff altogether, they increased the cost to our class defining skill to make that star stick.

It's following their intent of "buff one, nerf another" mentality we have been seeing this pts cycle.

Templar has always been the only class worth using siphoner on since it eats up one of their purges and will leave other effects still on them

Oh yea totally.

I'm just trying to come up with reasons why they had to nerf purge other than "they buffed unstable core and reduced the cast time for healing ritual therefore purge needs a cost increase".

Dredlord

Hymzir wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

There is a great wall of text by @Hymzir here with plenty of solid suggestions worth a read. Note that Hymzir may or may not agree with my statements here and I am not putting words in their mouth, but rather pointing to another templar post I found thoughtful.

Just stopping by to note that I agree with pretty much all you said, and am happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks the way I do about the state of Templars. Like many others have pointed out, it is amazing how consistent the feedback given by Templar players is. We may not all agree on specific fixes to the issues, but we are very much in unison as to what is wrong with the class and what needs to be done in general.

Long story short, templars are a hot mess right now and have plenty of glaring issues that need addressed. Instead of addressing them, we're trying the same tired, useless approach that has repeatedly failed in the past, completely ignoring what the most informed players and biggest names in templars have been saying for years. At the same time, we're being kicked while we're down with a senseless nerf. Thanks, ZOS.

Which brings me to a second thing I want to point - it is also equally amazing how uniform the indifference of ZOS is towards the Templar class. For years now we have been a mess of crappy passives and useless skills. We have never really given any proper buffs along the way. Just nerfs and more nerfs. And if we do get a buff, we will always get a nerf too, to compensate things. And then a patch later the buff will get nerfed but the original "balancing" nerf will also stay.

Remember when the self heals on Puncturing Sweep got nerfed due to the fact that we have such an easy time of keeping Major Mending up. Then they decided that Major Mending made our other heals way too good and it got nerfed to just Minor Mending. But Puncturing Sweep still got to keep the nerf. That's just the way it goes with Templars.

In all the Time that ESO has been live, Templars have been crapped on by ZOS, and usually rank at the bottom when people rate the classes. (Just search the forums for old posts about ranking the classes. Templars will almost always be at the bottom end of the scale.) The few times we actually managed to become effective, and useful as a class, were never due to changes made to the class itself. (Except possibly with the introduction of the very first incarnation of Radiant Destruction. Since that thing was just out of whack in it's initial release form.) When ever Templar performance has improved due to changes made by a patch, it has pretty much always been due to something non-Templar class specific being changed or introduced, that just happened to be very beneficial to Templars in particular. But usually that also meant that few updates later Templars would once more be on the receiving end of the nerf bat.

Like few others have remarked - the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Wrobel hates Templars.

As one who has been here since release, I can only come to the exact same conclusion.

The latest change to empower on barrage actually makes total sense if you assume the person who came up with it plays a NB.

Minno

Dredlord wrote: »

Hymzir wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

There is a great wall of text by @Hymzir here with plenty of solid suggestions worth a read. Note that Hymzir may or may not agree with my statements here and I am not putting words in their mouth, but rather pointing to another templar post I found thoughtful.

Just stopping by to note that I agree with pretty much all you said, and am happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks the way I do about the state of Templars. Like many others have pointed out, it is amazing how consistent the feedback given by Templar players is. We may not all agree on specific fixes to the issues, but we are very much in unison as to what is wrong with the class and what needs to be done in general.

Long story short, templars are a hot mess right now and have plenty of glaring issues that need addressed. Instead of addressing them, we're trying the same tired, useless approach that has repeatedly failed in the past, completely ignoring what the most informed players and biggest names in templars have been saying for years. At the same time, we're being kicked while we're down with a senseless nerf. Thanks, ZOS.

Which brings me to a second thing I want to point - it is also equally amazing how uniform the indifference of ZOS is towards the Templar class. For years now we have been a mess of crappy passives and useless skills. We have never really given any proper buffs along the way. Just nerfs and more nerfs. And if we do get a buff, we will always get a nerf too, to compensate things. And then a patch later the buff will get nerfed but the original "balancing" nerf will also stay.

Remember when the self heals on Puncturing Sweep got nerfed due to the fact that we have such an easy time of keeping Major Mending up. Then they decided that Major Mending made our other heals way too good and it got nerfed to just Minor Mending. But Puncturing Sweep still got to keep the nerf. That's just the way it goes with Templars.

In all the Time that ESO has been live, Templars have been crapped on by ZOS, and usually rank at the bottom when people rate the classes. (Just search the forums for old posts about ranking the classes. Templars will almost always be at the bottom end of the scale.) The few times we actually managed to become effective, and useful as a class, were never due to changes made to the class itself. (Except possibly with the introduction of the very first incarnation of Radiant Destruction. Since that thing was just out of whack in it's initial release form.) When ever Templar performance has improved due to changes made by a patch, it has pretty much always been due to something non-Templar class specific being changed or introduced, that just happened to be very beneficial to Templars in particular. But usually that also meant that few updates later Templars would once more be on the receiving end of the nerf bat.

Like few others have remarked - the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Wrobel hates Templars.

As one who has been here since release, I can only come to the exact same conclusion.

The latest change to empower on barrage actually makes total sense if you assume the person who came up with it plays a NB.

The only zos employee I know of that plays Templar is Wheeler. That should tell us why the resource guards still have the greatest eclipse version and badass beam heals Lol.

Checkmath

templars just get reduced to actually a few play styles possible. in pve, as said above they manage to fill up the role as healers, but get beaten in every other aspect. even in pvp, templars are mostly stuck to a specific play style, originals are seen very rarely. they only differ a bit set-wise, but actually its the class with the least cancer aspects and the least diversity. if you go on youtube and search "eso pvp magplar build" for example, you will see around 5 sets named again and again....
stamplars just get nerfed together with magplars and mostly get beaten even harder than magplars do. pve wise they at least get to a higher dps ranking then most magplars do. i actually really dont get, what zenimax intends to do with this class, but i havent seen a real positive aspect comcerning templars in the last months from zenimax.
any templars here, who lately got called cancer? i bet there isnt.....

Trashs1

there are some bg specs whitch i would call cancer... but i agree templar needs some love

Checkmath

what is cancer about a templar, their ability to heal a good amount? thats just how templars were made. thats just the same as calling a nb cancer for cloaking or a sorc for shield stacking....

WillhelmBlack

I don't see it as a nerf, just a new way to play. I'm looking forward to it.

They really should have nerfed snb ulti first though. The infinite sustain troll Templar's all use that skill in the rotation.

Trashs1

Checkmath wrote: »

what is cancer about a templar, their ability to heal a good amount? thats just how templars were made. thats just the same as calling a nb cancer for cloaking or a sorc for shield stacking....

i ment that tanky ppl who can outheal the dmg of 2 enemys and do reasonable dmg

im mostly stamblade in bgs and even with fear i have trouble to kill a well palyed magplar. but its fine for me and maybe its not as cancer as other builds but i have problems with them

Autumnhart

jrgray93 wrote: »

Long story short, templars are a hot mess right now and have plenty of glaring issues that need addressed. Instead of addressing them, we're trying the same tired, useless approach that has repeatedly failed in the past, completely ignoring what the most informed players and biggest names in templars have been saying for years. At the same time, we're being kicked while we're down with a senseless nerf. Thanks, ZOS.

Templars have been shoved hard toward a playstyle others find frustrating to fight against. So they keep getting nerfed, and nerfed again. What's the endgame here, goldglow AP pinatas? But die faster, otherwise streamerguy gets bored. They could instead give templars some better reasons to go offensive. Access to major expedition and a sun rune that follows you like EotS, choices between heals or damage instead of weak versions of both at once. Just a couple of changes and the block meta would take a hit, because it's less fun than blowing people up.

The highly skilled will deal with it like they've been dealing with it, adapt. But I've noticed there aren't a lot of new templars moving up. Bad sign.

Qbiken

I would just be happy if ZOS could fix the scaling on Sweeps and Radiant destruction first.....

ak_pvp

Templar and DK are in the same boat. Expected to have good survivability with heals/blocks but have everything taken away from them to make it possible.

WillhelmBlack

ak_pvp wrote: »

Templar and DK are in the same boat. Expected to have good survivability with heals/blocks but have everything taken away from them to make it possible.

Nah they're both really good at survivability if you build for sustain. What they both lack is mobility and burst. A lot of Templar's are scared of getting away from the comfort of block and big resources and think they're good for nothing else. Not true at all, hopefully they may clock on to the other side of Templar next patch with Eclipse and a couple of other things getting a rework.

Vovik

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

Firstmep

Vovik wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

Ill be honest as a magplar, magsorcs are probably my favorite/easiest matchup. For the most part all sorcs use the same skill combos for years now. Also cleansing curse takes away a big part of their burst. I usually play destro/resto magplar so im not even bothered by mine camp. Reflective light can pretty much be used as a ranged spammable as well. Usually i just pressure them with dots also to keep proccing valkyn.
From there you just want to time your ult of choice and purifying light, it usually seals the deal, especially the current soul assault.
All in all magplar have some great tools to fight magsorcs. On yeah and i play breton on all my magicka toons, so pretty much always sitting at 30k spell resist.
Breton master race!

Joy_Division

Vovik wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

If a templar cleanses your curse, simply curse them again. Your curse is 1000 magicka cheaper.

TheNightflame

If they changed healing ritual to provide major mending for a period of time (15s?) took away the burst heal, and reduced the cast time to <1s; it would require testing, but that could make the skill unique and worth while. Or, if they wanted to keep the aoe component; make it give up to 6 people within the radius minor vitality. It kinda fits the whole prayer theme and receiving a boon/blessing (and let's be real, praying takes time). A burst heal with a cast time is an oxymoron, but a powerful buff with a cast time could be cool (though it's not needed to complete content, so even this idea might fail to make the skill with slotting). It really just needs a re work

CatchMeTrolling

I don’t like how every argument against a Templar is how well they survive, this is what skews things because zos listens then nerf things but never buff or at least fix our damage.

Honestly I don’t think the devs even know what role they want Templars to be anymore. I enjoy my Templar but I just wish they made up their minds for once.

Soris

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vovik wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

If a templar cleanses your curse, simply curse them again. Your curse is 1000 magicka cheaper.

Im sitting at 4k magicka for bol and 3700 for purify in 5H2L seducer armor.

How am i going to sustain this *** lol

TheNightflame

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vovik wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

If a templar cleanses your curse, simply curse them again. Your curse is 1000 magicka cheaper.

Im sitting at 4k magicka for bol and 3700 for purify in 5H2L seducer armor.

How am i going to sustain this *** lol

It's like they take a snapshot of just that moment, ignoring how everything else plays out our ensuing loss of magika, them continuing to apply offensive pressure, and our eventual death (unless we choose (are forced into being a) to be a trolly tank build

ak_pvp

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I don’t like how every argument against a Templar is how well they survive, this is what skews things because zos listens then nerf things but never buff or at least fix our damage.

Honestly I don’t think the devs even know what role they want Templars to be anymore. I enjoy my Templar but I just wish they made up their minds for once.

As long as sorc has all the toys of survivability, best CC, mobility, and sustain. We are all balanced.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Hymzir wrote: »

We have never really given any proper buffs along the way. Just nerfs and more nerfs. And if we do get a buff, we will always get a nerf too, to compensate things. And then a patch later the buff will get nerfed but the original "balancing" nerf will also stay.

Remember when the self heals on Puncturing Sweep got nerfed due to the fact that we have such an easy time of keeping Major Mending up. Then they decided that Major Mending made our other heals way too good and it got nerfed to just Minor Mending. But Puncturing Sweep still got to keep the nerf. That's just the way it goes with Templars.

This so hard. Its like ZOS has a one patch memory. This happens to all classes and it is terrible. Just quoting you to point out this disgusting behavior.

Fuxo

Soris wrote: »

Im sitting at 4k magicka for bol and 3700 for purify in 5H2L seducer armor.

How am i going to sustain this *** lol

Using heavy attacks. This class is in a very bad position with regards to the combat style and flow.

DeHei

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vovik wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

by just slotting a defile ability.

Man i feel you but - could you point out for me how a magsorc is defiling an argonian magplar?

I've never seen a mag sorc struggle to take down a templar, argonian or otherwise. Sorcs have been the golden child of ZOS for a while now and their toolkit just packs so much of a punch that they can substitute well-timed CC and burst in place of defile. At best, a solid mag sorc vs templar fight results in a stalemate.

Not true, whenever I go up any templar that does pvp the first thing they did is cleanse my curse each time because that drops alot of my burst dps potential and makes it a lot harder for me a sorc to get high enough burst to kill a templar before they heal. I'm not saying templar is in a good spot right now, because ZOS did bend it over multiple times in the past couple of patches, but I'm just saying Sorc isn't the this "brokwn class" that ZOS loves.

If a templar cleanses your curse, simply curse them again. Your curse is 1000 magicka cheaper.

Im sitting at 4k magicka for bol and 3700 for purify in 5H2L seducer armor.

How am i going to sustain this *** lol

Using heavy attacks isnt a bad thing.. you can go full for sustain or with less sustain, but good stats. With last one you are able to play maybe better for most situations, but you need to use heavy attacks. I tested both and with best stats builds you can have more success. If you miss sustain, you can switch nufffood and mundus, then nearly all combinations work fine.

Soris

It was an irony but... Sure if stamina weapons restored magicka... What is the point of speccing for heavy armor tanky build if you dont use backbar sword & board.

I have lich backbar thats okey. And i often use 2 sustain sets and go for full dmg on the enchants and food. It just feel soo pigeonholed.

ZOS' ability to rip everything in order to nerf the "cancer" blockheal amazes me. Eventhough that "cancer" is just how templar function defensively. And yet they can't do it infinitelly without a stamina return passive and with these high magicka costs. Idk where people base their arguments, facts or salt? Im not sure but appereantly they are loud enough that zos listens them.