Should the Sword and Board passive increase both weapon and spell damage?

laissezfaire

Should the Sword and Board passive increase both weapon and spell damage?

In Pvp, Some would agree that 1H/S Stam builds are much more effective at balancing defense and offense so that they are effective at both. I think adding Spell damage buff to this passive would help balance. Or just remove the weapon damage buff (I would lean against this as many will cry "why more nerfs"... lol).

Edited to call attention to it's impact in PvP.

Merlin13KAGL

How is it imbalanced now, and who's DPSing with S&B?

This would make even less sense than Dual Wielding increase spell damage does now.

There should be more arcane weapon options, but this is not the way.

laissezfaire

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

How is it imbalanced now, and who's DPSing with S&B?

This would make even less sense than Dual Wielding increase spell damage does now.

There should be more arcane weapon options, but this is not the way.

For PvE DPS, no, this change wouldn't affect it. But for PvP, it would.

Asardes

No

It only adds weapon damage to your 1H+S skills which do physical damage so buffing spell damage makes no sense.

Merlin13KAGL

moltzdc wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

How is it imbalanced now, and who's DPSing with S&B?

This would make even less sense than Dual Wielding increase spell damage does now.

There should be more arcane weapon options, but this is not the way.

For PvE DPS, no, this change wouldn't affect it. But for PvP, it would.

Except it shouldn't, because holding a physical damage weapon in your hand shouldn't suddenly make non physical damage stronger.

WreckfulAbandon

No

Why tf should equipping a weapon type that makes it possible to permablock also confer any wep/spell dmg whatsoever?

My argument has never been "omg wrath OP" it's more "why is this even a thing"

laissezfaire

Yes

Asardes wrote: »

It only adds weapon damage to your 1H+S skills which do physical damage so buffing spell damage makes no sense.

Nope, it increases your weapon damage for all skills while the 1H/S is equipped.

laissezfaire

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

moltzdc wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

How is it imbalanced now, and who's DPSing with S&B?

This would make even less sense than Dual Wielding increase spell damage does now.

There should be more arcane weapon options, but this is not the way.

For PvE DPS, no, this change wouldn't affect it. But for PvP, it would.

Except it shouldn't, because holding a physical damage weapon in your hand shouldn't suddenly make non physical damage stronger.

Following the same logic as duel wield swords, it should. And the purpose of this proposal is mainly to balance 1H/S Stam builds and 1H/S mag build in PvP. I think due to the lack of build variations with staves and effectiveness, some mag builds must use 1H/S (mainly, speaking to magDK). It is really hard to find balance for offense and defense, currently, for magDK in PvP, especially, in solo, open-world PvP.

I think this would be a good change because it shouldn't affect PvE much. Where is does afffect PvE may be the effectiveness on mag tanks being able to heal themselves. Which with the consistent nerfs to PvE tanking, it would be nice buff for them.

laissezfaire

Yes

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why tf should equipping a weapon type that makes it possible to permablock also confer any wep/spell dmg whatsoever?

My argument has never been "omg wrath OP" it's more "why is this even a thing"

So your opinion is to remove the weapon damage buff from the passive? which if you seen, I am on board with that. Maybe i should have specifically added that option to the poll.. "to remove weapon damage buff for current state".

paulsimonps

Asardes wrote: »

It only adds weapon damage to your 1H+S skills which do physical damage so buffing spell damage makes no sense.

@Asardes


Doesn't actually say that it only increases the 1H+S skills, it says it increases your weapon damage if you have one equipped. So if it buffed spell damage too it could work on class skills or other and buff them too.

But since many people seem to not like 1H+S magicka users I don't think many will say yes too it. Personally have no preference.

laissezfaire

Yes

paulsimonps wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

It only adds weapon damage to your 1H+S skills which do physical damage so buffing spell damage makes no sense.

But since many people seem to not like 1H+S magicka users I don't think many will say yes too it. Personally have no preference.

I really see this change (based on the percentage of these build in cyro) affecting magDK and magplar but i think it would add some diversity for other mag builds. The only real concern I would have is that the healbots would become slightly more powerful (mostly, in terms of healing because they usually don't stack enough damage for this change to affect there overall ability to get kills).

SodanTok

Other - Explain

It should increase neither. Why does shield have more damage than bow or staves.

laissezfaire

Yes

SodanTok wrote: »

It should increase neither. Why does shield have more damage than bow or staves.

I cannot argue with that logic. Although that wouldn't result in a buff to magDK

The main thing I want is some balance between the stam 1H/S and mag 1H/S.

Asardes

No

paulsimonps wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

It only adds weapon damage to your 1H+S skills which do physical damage so buffing spell damage makes no sense.

@Asardes


Doesn't actually say that it only increases the 1H+S skills, it says it increases your weapon damage if you have one equipped. So if it buffed spell damage too it could work on class skills or other and buff them too.

But since many people seem to not like 1H+S magicka users I don't think many will say yes too it. Personally have no preference.

Well I knew that, just I didn't express myself clearly. I meant the 1H+S skills are physical so it would make no sense to provide buffs for magicka as design feature. I'm also pretty sure twin blade and blunt was unintended but they just left it there since changing it would have pissed up people

Lasinagol

Other - Explain

I could go either way, my SorcTank uses Netch's sword and board on both bars, boosting the spell damage might make him over-powered. In pvp my tank does pretty good with survival and too few people expect to be pierced with sword and board from a sorcerer...

Drakkdjinn

Other - Explain

Absolutely not.

The skill tree is designed/balanced around a mitigation heavy melee-range playstyle. Buffing damage for ranged magicka abilities has no place in the tree UNLESS the spell dmg buff only applied to melee-range abilities; i.e. mDK whips & mplar sweeps.

Savos_Saren

Yes

ZOS tries to make skills/buffs/debuffs have alignment with each other. If using DW buffs your physical and spell damage- then using SnB should buff your physical and spell damage as well.

The reason behind this? Magicka tanks use magicka-based abilities to heal. Why shouldn't they benefit from a boost in spell damage alongside their stamina tank brethren?

GreenSoup2HoT

Other - Explain

Neither. It shouldnt have increased damage to begin with.

WillhelmBlack

No

Don't be silly.

Dk_needs_a_buff

Other - Explain

It shouldnt increase any of them