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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Will They Add Transmutation Crystals To Crown Store? I Think They Will.
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Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Since it is a currency that works exactly like Crowns, I believe they will be added to the store at some time. But that's just my guess.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rhapsodious wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »theamazingx wrote: »Very doubtful Zos would. Looking at the fact Zos has not added anything to the crown store that affects gear in any way functional way there is nothing to support the oppinion these new crystals will be added to the crown store.
But with how the new transmutation system works, those instant research scrolls do affect gear in many ways. 9 ways to be exact.
And that's a real stretch of the imagination. Good try.
Please explain how it is a stretch of the imagination? Am I imagining that you need to know traits to be able to make them? Am I imagining that buying scrolls from the crown store will speed the process up?
You're imagining that people will shell out cash to skip 6 hour research times for the small handful of items that are worth transmuting.
You still have to know the trait to change the item to. The crystals will probably be BoP so you may not even be able to trade them to have other people make the gear. So you will need at least one character on your account that has learned all 9 traits
No, you only need the important ones, like Sharpened, Precise, Infused, and Nirnhoned (for weapons anyway). You need to be able to transmute your own gear, yeah, but you're probably only ever going to want a few traits out of the pool so you can just research those.
They've said they're not releasing them on the CS any time soon, give them just a smidge of credit.
This is the answer and there is zero reason to buy scrolls to get the traits soneone would want to use.
So, as I said, it's a huge stretch of the imagination that Zos would sell the new crystals in the crown store.
Just as some players said Zos would sell upgrade matts in the crown store when it launched so will this idea fall into the bucket of false assumptions.0 -
Moloch1514✭✭✭✭✭
✭I expect to see these in crown crates (and available for Gems) sometime when Chapter 2 drops.PC-NA0 -
TaintedKurse✭✭✭So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
Screw pay to win features.
If its going to be in game crafters need a way to transmute without the crown store
It would be a waste of our time and money for it to be any other way
Just make a rare alternative mat like aetherial dust that you need to transmute items and sell "Grand Transmute Stones" or some item in the crown store that does the same thing.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »No plans, but a definite desire to bring them to the Crown Store. They will probably wait for a while as people get more and more frustrated and the calls for crystal drops to be buffed break out on the forums... then it will be "we weren't planning on doing this, but we're going to alleviate the crystal problem by putting them for sale in the Crown Store".
And it won't be P2W because they will tell you it's "for your convenience" and that you won't be able to get anything that isn't already available in game.
We've seen experience scrolls, we know how this works...
And another baseless stretch of the imagination. Absolutely zero basis considering Zos has offered nothing in the crown store that had any direct affect of on our gear.
Yea, I know this is a game forum and baseless theories will prevail before falling off the wayside because they never come to fruition.1 -
ereboz✭✭✭✭✭So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depending on the price, I would gladly buy them with crowns rather than spend any more time in hell grinding the same Veteran random dungeons we've always had with PUGs.1 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.
Glass motifs. Solid enough?
They are still giving fragments as "rewards" for crafting writs. If you are lucky enough to collect ten then for 10K gold you can buy the potion to convert them into a random page. Don't worry if you already know it, because you can sell it. Except ZoS now sell them in the Crown Store. Going price for a page of the glass motif? Less than 5K, it costs you 10K just to make one, so you are already losing money. Can't even give the fragments away - who wants to spend 10K to get a page they might already have and would lose money selling?
The economy in glass motifs has been trashed by the Crown Store. Indeed, ZoS regularly trashes the market in motifs by bring them out in the Crown Store.
How about experience scrolls? The original ones were countered by psijic ambrosia being available in game - except you had to collect the 7 distinct pages... and perfect roe. And then the scrolls on sale in the Crown Store last longer.
Move on to the latest scrolls - more powerful! And longer lasting than Aetherial Ambrosia - for which you need a new psijic ambrosia recipe (all 7 pages), aetheric cipher (and not many have seen those in the wild) and aetherial dust... oh, and some psijic ambrosia...
All that and it still doesn't last as long as the scrolls!
How about the Crown Mimic Stones? They allow you to craft the styles you know without having to get hold of some of the rare and very expensive style items. Very useful for those tricky Master Writs...
Then there's the food, potions, soul gems, repair kits, skill and attribute respec scrolls... more bag space, horse riding lessons, vampirism and werewolf bites... research scrolls...
They said the Crown Store would only sell cosmetic items... then they said it would be only items available in game, but sold in the Crown Store "for your convenience".
Given what they already sell in the Crown Store (going way beyond the merely cosmetic) why wouldn't you expect to see transformation crystals there? For your convenience.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.
Glass motifs. Solid enough?
They are still giving fragments as "rewards" for crafting writs. If you are lucky enough to collect ten then for 10K gold you can buy the potion to convert them into a random page. Don't worry if you already know it, because you can sell it. Except ZoS now sell them in the Crown Store. Going price for a page of the glass motif? Less than 5K, it costs you 10K just to make one, so you are already losing money. Can't even give the fragments away - who wants to spend 10K to get a page they might already have and would lose money selling?
The economy in glass motifs has been trashed by the Crown Store. Indeed, ZoS regularly trashes the market in motifs by bring them out in the Crown Store.
How about experience scrolls? The original ones were countered by psijic ambrosia being available in game - except you had to collect the 7 distinct pages... and perfect roe. And then the scrolls on sale in the Crown Store last longer.
Move on to the latest scrolls - more powerful! And longer lasting than Aetherial Ambrosia - for which you need a new psijic ambrosia recipe (all 7 pages), aetheric cipher (and not many have seen those in the wild) and aetherial dust... oh, and some psijic ambrosia...
All that and it still doesn't last as long as the scrolls!
How about the Crown Mimic Stones? They allow you to craft the styles you know without having to get hold of some of the rare and very expensive style items. Very useful for those tricky Master Writs...
Then there's the food, potions, soul gems, repair kits, skill and attribute respec scrolls... more bag space, horse riding lessons, vampirism and werewolf bites... research scrolls...
They said the Crown Store would only sell cosmetic items... then they said it would be only items available in game, but sold in the Crown Store "for your convenience".
Given what they already sell in the Crown Store (going way beyond the merely cosmetic) why wouldn't you expect to see transformation crystals there? For your convenience.
Nothing in this last statement of yours has an relevance on actual gear. The motif of ones gear is merely appearance. This is just a desperate attempt to try to justify your conspiracy theory that lacks any basis.
As I stated from the start, Zos has never had anything in the crown store that changed gear in any functional way. appearance does not change the function.
You have not proven Jack. The only thing you have proven is that your opinion does not have a leg to stand on.
Enjoy the game. BTW, if they ever do sell the crystals on the crown store you can say you told me so. Unless that happens then you are flat wrong with your conspiracy story.
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I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.
Glass motifs. Solid enough?
They are still giving fragments as "rewards" for crafting writs. If you are lucky enough to collect ten then for 10K gold you can buy the potion to convert them into a random page. Don't worry if you already know it, because you can sell it. Except ZoS now sell them in the Crown Store. Going price for a page of the glass motif? Less than 5K, it costs you 10K just to make one, so you are already losing money. Can't even give the fragments away - who wants to spend 10K to get a page they might already have and would lose money selling?
The economy in glass motifs has been trashed by the Crown Store. Indeed, ZoS regularly trashes the market in motifs by bring them out in the Crown Store.
How about experience scrolls? The original ones were countered by psijic ambrosia being available in game - except you had to collect the 7 distinct pages... and perfect roe. And then the scrolls on sale in the Crown Store last longer.
Move on to the latest scrolls - more powerful! And longer lasting than Aetherial Ambrosia - for which you need a new psijic ambrosia recipe (all 7 pages), aetheric cipher (and not many have seen those in the wild) and aetherial dust... oh, and some psijic ambrosia...
All that and it still doesn't last as long as the scrolls!
How about the Crown Mimic Stones? They allow you to craft the styles you know without having to get hold of some of the rare and very expensive style items. Very useful for those tricky Master Writs...
Then there's the food, potions, soul gems, repair kits, skill and attribute respec scrolls... more bag space, horse riding lessons, vampirism and werewolf bites... research scrolls...
They said the Crown Store would only sell cosmetic items... then they said it would be only items available in game, but sold in the Crown Store "for your convenience".
Given what they already sell in the Crown Store (going way beyond the merely cosmetic) why wouldn't you expect to see transformation crystals there? For your convenience.
Nothing in this last statement of yours has an relevance on actual gear. The motif of ones gear is merely appearance. This is just a desperate attempt to try to justify your conspiracy theory that lacks any basis.
As I stated from the start, Zos has never had anything in the crown store that changed gear in any functional way. appearance does not change the function.
You have not proven Jack. The only thing you have proven is that your opinion does not have a leg to stand on.
Enjoy the game. BTW, if they ever do sell the crystals on the crown store you can say you told me so. Unless that happens then you are flat wrong with your conspiracy story.
They are all non-cosmetic examples that demonstrate that the original commitment to "cosmetic only" has indeed become "for your convenience".
Motifs are not just for appearance. They, and the style mimic stones, allow people to complete Master Writs. Maybe not a part of the game you enjoy, but plenty do. They also contribute to the economy - or at least they used to. Maybe you don't trade, others do.
Food, potions, research scrolls - these undermine the value of crafting. Maybe you don't craft, others do.
Were you surprised when ZoS started selling these in the Crown Store when they said they wouldn't?
What about when they started selling repair kits? Those affect the functionality of gear. And so do filled soul gems.
In a year's time they will be selling Buoyant Armiger pages, which currently sell for hundreds of thousands of gold. By then I will not be surprised if they are selling crystals.
By the way, it's not a conspiracy theory, nothing sinister, no need to get your knickers in a twist. It's just supposition based on past behaviour. As I say, they have history...
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Kildayen✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.
Glass motifs. Solid enough?
They are still giving fragments as "rewards" for crafting writs. If you are lucky enough to collect ten then for 10K gold you can buy the potion to convert them into a random page. Don't worry if you already know it, because you can sell it. Except ZoS now sell them in the Crown Store. Going price for a page of the glass motif? Less than 5K, it costs you 10K just to make one, so you are already losing money. Can't even give the fragments away - who wants to spend 10K to get a page they might already have and would lose money selling?
The economy in glass motifs has been trashed by the Crown Store. Indeed, ZoS regularly trashes the market in motifs by bring them out in the Crown Store.
How about experience scrolls? The original ones were countered by psijic ambrosia being available in game - except you had to collect the 7 distinct pages... and perfect roe. And then the scrolls on sale in the Crown Store last longer.
Move on to the latest scrolls - more powerful! And longer lasting than Aetherial Ambrosia - for which you need a new psijic ambrosia recipe (all 7 pages), aetheric cipher (and not many have seen those in the wild) and aetherial dust... oh, and some psijic ambrosia...
All that and it still doesn't last as long as the scrolls!
How about the Crown Mimic Stones? They allow you to craft the styles you know without having to get hold of some of the rare and very expensive style items. Very useful for those tricky Master Writs...
Then there's the food, potions, soul gems, repair kits, skill and attribute respec scrolls... more bag space, horse riding lessons, vampirism and werewolf bites... research scrolls...
They said the Crown Store would only sell cosmetic items... then they said it would be only items available in game, but sold in the Crown Store "for your convenience".
Given what they already sell in the Crown Store (going way beyond the merely cosmetic) why wouldn't you expect to see transformation crystals there? For your convenience.
Nothing in this last statement of yours has an relevance on actual gear. The motif of ones gear is merely appearance. This is just a desperate attempt to try to justify your conspiracy theory that lacks any basis.
As I stated from the start, Zos has never had anything in the crown store that changed gear in any functional way. appearance does not change the function.
You have not proven Jack. The only thing you have proven is that your opinion does not have a leg to stand on.
Enjoy the game. BTW, if they ever do sell the crystals on the crown store you can say you told me so. Unless that happens then you are flat wrong with your conspiracy story.
They are all non-cosmetic examples that demonstrate that the original commitment to "cosmetic only" has indeed become "for your convenience".
Motifs are not just for appearance. They, and the style mimic stones, allow people to complete Master Writs. Maybe not a part of the game you enjoy, but plenty do. They also contribute to the economy - or at least they used to. Maybe you don't trade, others do.
Food, potions, research scrolls - these undermine the value of crafting. Maybe you don't craft, others do.
Were you surprised when ZoS started selling these in the Crown Store when they said they wouldn't?
What about when they started selling repair kits? Those affect the functionality of gear. And so do filled soul gems.
In a year's time they will be selling Buoyant Armiger pages, which currently sell for hundreds of thousands of gold. By then I will not be surprised if they are selling crystals.
By the way, it's not a conspiracy theory, nothing sinister, no need to get your knickers in a twist. It's just supposition based on past behaviour. As I say, they have history...
@I_killed_Vivec I agree with everything you have put in your post. I wouldn't waste any more time trying to make a point with idk. Seems like no matter what proof you present, he/she will only see things the way he/she wants to. We are making valid points here, but this person is just stubborn. For example, even though you can research an item in just a few hours, it still makes crown research scrolls pay2win when talking about the new transmutation system. You can still research items faster than someone who doesn't choose to use the crown scrolls. What if it is the 9th trait for someone and they only play one character? Just buy research scrolls instead of waiting the month it takes to research the item. Boom! You paid and you got what you wanted faster than those who don't pay, and now you win. It is so obvious. He/she just doesn't want to hear it.2 -
Kildayen✭✭✭✭✭Depending on the price, I would gladly buy them with crowns rather than spend any more time in hell grinding the same Veteran random dungeons we've always had with PUGs.
Especially those who keep their bankers out during the dungeon. You are going to run out of room on your ignore list...0 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xp boost = trash compared to ingame items that scale on passives.
riding lessons = make it accountwide allready...
The crown store has so far only been cosmetic and a way to obtain DLCs. There has never been any pay2win in the crown store. they even went so far to add pay 2 lose. amazing items. tho, purely cosmetic.
So, as to "why" should they add a way too retrait all your gear for crowns? That would be the pure definition of pay2win.
all of the items people cry about here are stuff you can buy with ingame gold, expect the riding lessons witch also saves you time. (the closest we have to p2w).
But to take the point out of playing the game at ALL just for a few bucks? nope, they wont do it.Edited by Kikke on September 20, 2017 11:06PMCleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.0 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭technically every DLC is p2w or gives you an advantage over someone in someway lol
its in the crown store
where do you get vma staves? wrothgar DLC
spell power cure armor for healers(BIS)? imperial city DLC
this goes all the way back to imperial edition being argued as P2W,due to a race being locked behind it.
/sarcasm
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
I certainly hope not, because that would literally be a pay to win feature.
I agree, although this is what they do. Introduce a neat new feature, leave it out of the crown store until people forget about it, and come out with something different, and then sneak it in the crown store, and back it up with "but you can still earn it in game".
@ereboz
Like what? Provide a solid example please.
Glass motifs. Solid enough?
They are still giving fragments as "rewards" for crafting writs. If you are lucky enough to collect ten then for 10K gold you can buy the potion to convert them into a random page. Don't worry if you already know it, because you can sell it. Except ZoS now sell them in the Crown Store. Going price for a page of the glass motif? Less than 5K, it costs you 10K just to make one, so you are already losing money. Can't even give the fragments away - who wants to spend 10K to get a page they might already have and would lose money selling?
The economy in glass motifs has been trashed by the Crown Store. Indeed, ZoS regularly trashes the market in motifs by bring them out in the Crown Store.
How about experience scrolls? The original ones were countered by psijic ambrosia being available in game - except you had to collect the 7 distinct pages... and perfect roe. And then the scrolls on sale in the Crown Store last longer.
Move on to the latest scrolls - more powerful! And longer lasting than Aetherial Ambrosia - for which you need a new psijic ambrosia recipe (all 7 pages), aetheric cipher (and not many have seen those in the wild) and aetherial dust... oh, and some psijic ambrosia...
All that and it still doesn't last as long as the scrolls!
How about the Crown Mimic Stones? They allow you to craft the styles you know without having to get hold of some of the rare and very expensive style items. Very useful for those tricky Master Writs...
Then there's the food, potions, soul gems, repair kits, skill and attribute respec scrolls... more bag space, horse riding lessons, vampirism and werewolf bites... research scrolls...
They said the Crown Store would only sell cosmetic items... then they said it would be only items available in game, but sold in the Crown Store "for your convenience".
Given what they already sell in the Crown Store (going way beyond the merely cosmetic) why wouldn't you expect to see transformation crystals there? For your convenience.
Nothing in this last statement of yours has an relevance on actual gear. The motif of ones gear is merely appearance. This is just a desperate attempt to try to justify your conspiracy theory that lacks any basis.
As I stated from the start, Zos has never had anything in the crown store that changed gear in any functional way. appearance does not change the function.
You have not proven Jack. The only thing you have proven is that your opinion does not have a leg to stand on.
Enjoy the game. BTW, if they ever do sell the crystals on the crown store you can say you told me so. Unless that happens then you are flat wrong with your conspiracy story.
They are all non-cosmetic examples that demonstrate that the original commitment to "cosmetic only" has indeed become "for your convenience".
Motifs are not just for appearance. They, and the style mimic stones, allow people to complete Master Writs. Maybe not a part of the game you enjoy, but plenty do. They also contribute to the economy - or at least they used to. Maybe you don't trade, others do.
Food, potions, research scrolls - these undermine the value of crafting. Maybe you don't craft, others do.
Were you surprised when ZoS started selling these in the Crown Store when they said they wouldn't?
What about when they started selling repair kits? Those affect the functionality of gear. And so do filled soul gems.
In a year's time they will be selling Buoyant Armiger pages, which currently sell for hundreds of thousands of gold. By then I will not be surprised if they are selling crystals.
By the way, it's not a conspiracy theory, nothing sinister, no need to get your knickers in a twist. It's just supposition based on past behaviour. As I say, they have history...
1. Iirc motifs have been in the crown store since day one. Nice try. They place motifs on the market well after the motif has faced significant loss of value and has little further affect on the in game price.
Think about the logic here. The person willing to spend 5k crown on a motif that's been in game for a year clearly isn't going to buy it or farm it in game.
3. Food and potions hardly undermine the value of crafting since they are all sub par. Look at the high price of columbine on your server. Crown store pots aren't hurting sales.
As for anything you've listed, none change the effectiveness of armor and is a pathetic attempt to justify your baseless conspiracy theory.
You have done absolutely nothing to justify the OP.0 -
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Still can't believe how fast people will scream pay to win and form torch and pitch fork mobs on the forums about anything new being added. When retrait was first announced people were claiming it was going to be crown store only or ESO plus only, was never mentioned, was never the case. New people think they are gonna add the crystals to the crown store, the devs have already said this is not the case and nothing they are thinking about doing, but people still "Fear" that will happen.
People have complained about almost everything that is in the crown store, and things they believe might be in there in the future since it came out, but nothing they have predicted have come to past except maybe high prices on some items.
Some people thought race change was going to ruin the game, cause people would change to follow flavor of the month. Did it ruin the game? No, people just over react all the time.
And come on people, the game is over 3 years old, adding a quicker way to deal with research is not going to mess with anything, and there is an option for it in the base game too.
And the gems, repair, potions and poisons are not game breaking either. Sure some people used to use the crown repair kits in vDSA to push scores, but then they changed how armor health worked and it didn't become an issue anymore. Soul gems are a dime a dozen and super easy to get so who cares, and the potions and poisons are all worse than what we can make, so why settle for less. I mean its worse and you have to pay real money for it, seems like a bad deal.
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✭✭✭Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.0 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
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✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
Sad
@I_killed_Vivec LMAO. Good try. Soul gems do not alter the effect of gear. Even though soul gems to not alter the affect of a vMA staff, soon they will have zero affect on the special vMA set bonus anyhow. They will soon only charge normal enchantments,
They are also absurdly cheap and easy to get in game. Good try though.
My comment still stands unchallenged, by anything of merit, that Zos has never sold anything in the crown store that alters the effect of gear.
Edit: I will leave you guys alone to talk about this meritless conspiracy theory. Starting to get bored with the recycled attempts.Edited by idk on September 21, 2017 10:03PM0 -
BrianDavion✭✭✭✭So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
researching the one trait you need for your gear isn't THAT hard.0 -
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✭✭✭BrianDavion wrote: »So since they are adding this great transmutation feature to the game, and you need to already have the trait researched to change to the trait you want, doesn't that kinda make the Crown Instant Research Scrolls pay2win? Not saying pay2win like being able to buy a gear piece that you need, but still in that same direction.
If this is true, even in the smallest form, do you think this is ZOS's way of introducing another money grab in the crown store? I have a pretty good feeling that we will be seeing transmutation crystals available to purchase from the crown store in the future.
I still think they messed up big time and pissed off a lot of the Master Crafters by making it so that you can only change pieces for yourself. I think they were dead wrong for doing this. Master Crafters should be able to make these items for other people and the only reason I feel they didn't allow it is because someday you will be able to purchase the transmutation crystals from the crown store.
Your thoughts?
researching the one trait you need for your gear isn't THAT hard.
Research it on a character that has no research and the one trait you need will only take 4hours. Max out an alt in crafting and do Divines on all the pieces in a few days and boom you can transmute whatever. As long as you only use divines that is. But hey if you only need a few specific traits then it really takes no time at all.0 -
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✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
Sad
@I_killed_Vivec LMAO. Good try. Soul gems do not alter the effect of gear. Even though soul gems to not alter the affect of a vMA staff, soon they will have zero affect on the special vMA set bonus anyhow. They will soon only charge normal enchantments,
They are also absurdly cheap and easy to get in game. Good try though.
My comment still stands unchallenged, by anything of merit, that Zos has never sold anything in the crown store that alters the effect of gear.
Edit: I will leave you guys alone to talk about this meritless conspiracy theory. Starting to get bored with the recycled attempts.
Your comment is meaningless. It's a shame you simply cannot understand.
ZoS never, ever, ever sold anything that would affect experience gain... until they did.
They promised the only items sold in the Crown Store would be cosmetic... until they started selling all kinds of things "for your advantage convenience".
ZoS promised that all DLC would be available forever for free for subscribers... until they introduced "chapters".
ZoS promised that they were never, ever, ever drop their subscription model, that the game would never go free to play... until it did.
ZoS have a track history of breaking promises. And they haven't even said they won't sell crystals for cash!
So why, apart from "they haven't done yet" do you believe they won't, when they have broken so many other promises in the past (and over arguably much more important matters)?
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✭No they won't....Gina verified it in this post I made.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372102/please-dont-add-transmutation-crystals-to-crown-store#latest0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
Sad
@I_killed_Vivec LMAO. Good try. Soul gems do not alter the effect of gear. Even though soul gems to not alter the affect of a vMA staff, soon they will have zero affect on the special vMA set bonus anyhow. They will soon only charge normal enchantments,
They are also absurdly cheap and easy to get in game. Good try though.
My comment still stands unchallenged, by anything of merit, that Zos has never sold anything in the crown store that alters the effect of gear.
Edit: I will leave you guys alone to talk about this meritless conspiracy theory. Starting to get bored with the recycled attempts.
Your comment is meaningless. It's a shame you simply cannot understand.
ZoS never, ever, ever sold anything that would affect experience gain... until they did.
They promised the only items sold in the Crown Store would be cosmetic... until they started selling all kinds of things "for your advantage convenience".
ZoS promised that all DLC would be available forever for free for subscribers... until they introduced "chapters".
ZoS promised that they were never, ever, ever drop their subscription model, that the game would never go free to play... until it did.
ZoS have a track history of breaking promises. And they haven't even said they won't sell crystals for cash!
So why, apart from "they haven't done yet" do you believe they won't, when they have broken so many other promises in the past (and over arguably much more important matters)?
Some of your comments were not promises but comments Zos made.
Further, NONE of the items you mention are better than what is in game already.
You fail to see the significant difference betwern these crystals and a soul gen which is where I think you are failing to see how the points you make pale.
Regardless, the OP is nothing more than a guess. At best it's a conspiracy theory in the making.
Nothing more and you fail to prove it otherwise.
Edit: read the post above. Conspiracy theory debunked. Prove that comment false. OopsEdited by idk on September 22, 2017 6:03PM0 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
Sad
@I_killed_Vivec LMAO. Good try. Soul gems do not alter the effect of gear. Even though soul gems to not alter the affect of a vMA staff, soon they will have zero affect on the special vMA set bonus anyhow. They will soon only charge normal enchantments,
They are also absurdly cheap and easy to get in game. Good try though.
My comment still stands unchallenged, by anything of merit, that Zos has never sold anything in the crown store that alters the effect of gear.
Edit: I will leave you guys alone to talk about this meritless conspiracy theory. Starting to get bored with the recycled attempts.
Your comment is meaningless. It's a shame you simply cannot understand.
ZoS never, ever, ever sold anything that would affect experience gain... until they did.
They promised the only items sold in the Crown Store would be cosmetic... until they started selling all kinds of things "for your advantage convenience".
ZoS promised that all DLC would be available forever for free for subscribers... until they introduced "chapters".
ZoS promised that they were never, ever, ever drop their subscription model, that the game would never go free to play... until it did.
ZoS have a track history of breaking promises. And they haven't even said they won't sell crystals for cash!
So why, apart from "they haven't done yet" do you believe they won't, when they have broken so many other promises in the past (and over arguably much more important matters)?
Some of your comments were not promises but comments Zos made.
Further, NONE of the items you mention are better than what is in game already.
You fail to see the significant difference betwern these crystals and a soul gen which is where I think you are failing to see how the points you make pale.
Regardless, the OP is nothing more than a guess. At best it's a conspiracy theory in the making.
Nothing more and you fail to prove it otherwise.
Edit: read the post above. Conspiracy theory debunked. Prove that comment false. Oops
Experience scrolls are better than experience potions.
You really don't bother to think too much do you?
As I said, no conspiracy theory, so calm down dearie, it's just an observation that past behaviour might indicate future behaviour.
While you say they never will, because they haven't, I say they might because when they said they never would in the past they did.
Even today's comment from Gina - "we have no plans". Not "we won't", not "we'd never sell anything that alters the affects of gear", just "no plans".
Not that an outright denial would mean much given the list of broken promises. Sorry, comments
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Of course they'll add it to the crown store. Whatever they may have said is irrelevant.
Remember when they said they'd never abandon the subscription model?
Or when Gina famously posted on Reddit that they would never add locked RNG boxes?
The PR department will say what it has to say in the moment. But as long as it's a feature players are willing to pay for, and as long as the question of it being P2W is comfortably nebulous, it will inevitably end up in the crown store.
Again, absolutely zero reasons supporting the comment. Zos has never added anything to the crown store that altered the effectiveness of gear.
Lots of baseless salt in this thread.
"Altered the effectiveness of gear" ... it's only you who has narrowed in on this, but you're still wrong.
That lovely vMA staff you saved up the crystals to morph to the trait you wanted has run out of charge. Oh dear, and you have no soul gems! Don't worry, buy some from the Crown Store and alter the effectiveness immediately!
For your convenience!
Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. Your inability to grasp why selling glass motifs in the Crown Store has trashed the market in something that was given as a reward for doing writs clearly demonstrates your mental limitations.
The world must be a confusing place for you. No wonder you're so angry.
Sad
@I_killed_Vivec LMAO. Good try. Soul gems do not alter the effect of gear. Even though soul gems to not alter the affect of a vMA staff, soon they will have zero affect on the special vMA set bonus anyhow. They will soon only charge normal enchantments,
They are also absurdly cheap and easy to get in game. Good try though.
My comment still stands unchallenged, by anything of merit, that Zos has never sold anything in the crown store that alters the effect of gear.
Edit: I will leave you guys alone to talk about this meritless conspiracy theory. Starting to get bored with the recycled attempts.
Your comment is meaningless. It's a shame you simply cannot understand.
ZoS never, ever, ever sold anything that would affect experience gain... until they did.
They promised the only items sold in the Crown Store would be cosmetic... until they started selling all kinds of things "for your advantage convenience".
ZoS promised that all DLC would be available forever for free for subscribers... until they introduced "chapters".
ZoS promised that they were never, ever, ever drop their subscription model, that the game would never go free to play... until it did.
ZoS have a track history of breaking promises. And they haven't even said they won't sell crystals for cash!
So why, apart from "they haven't done yet" do you believe they won't, when they have broken so many other promises in the past (and over arguably much more important matters)?
Some of your comments were not promises but comments Zos made.
Further, NONE of the items you mention are better than what is in game already.
You fail to see the significant difference betwern these crystals and a soul gen which is where I think you are failing to see how the points you make pale.
Regardless, the OP is nothing more than a guess. At best it's a conspiracy theory in the making.
Nothing more and you fail to prove it otherwise.
Edit: read the post above. Conspiracy theory debunked. Prove that comment false. Oops
Experience scrolls are better than experience potions.
You really don't bother to think too much do you?
As I said, no conspiracy theory, so calm down dearie, it's just an observation that past behaviour might indicate future behaviour.
While you say they never will, because they haven't, I say they might because when they said they never would in the past they did.
Even today's comment from Gina - "we have no plans". Not "we won't", not "we'd never sell anything that alters the affects of gear", just "no plans".
Not that an outright denial would mean much given the list of broken promises. Sorry, comments
Lmao. Really fine it entertaining the stretch some go to prove something that isn't there.0
