New "Master"-Destrostaff is a joke?

DeHei

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]Concentrated Force (Perfected)

• Force Shock always applies the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds per enemy.

What is that?
That will buff warden damage, on that its fine, because they need a buff.

BUT it will also buff sorcdamage again for PvE and PvP! Its a bad joke... Do you really think about setbonis, before you put things like this on test realm??

How can Dragonknights & Templar use it well, because there maindamage comes over dots and not direct damage like that skill. Sorcs and nightblades will benefit very much from that. I think nightblades will start too to play with that skill in there rotation, because is *** strong!

If this survive the test realm, you will see again some guys ragequitting!

Avran_Sylt

DK = Force Pulse, Shock Wall, Flame Lash, repeat.

not sure about the templar

Biro123

What we need is another thread about this.

That's what I think.

Avran_Sylt

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

theamazingx

Most sorcs don't use pulse rotations anymore. This isn't that great even for those that do. For pvp, it's nice, but not sorc exclusive by any means.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

DK = Force Pulse, Shock Wall, Flame Lash, repeat.

not sure about the templar

That's not worthwhile by a mile.

DeHei

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

ParaNostram

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

It's almost as if it's supposed to be an ultimate weapon or something that you get from a very potent challenge in the game... Hmmmm....

theamazingx

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

Sorcs already have near 100% concussion uptime without charged, that's why their solo parses are inflated. And solo parses don't matter. And burned doesn't stack between players. I don't think you know anything about how practical dps works.

luen79rwb17_ESO

These sorc hate threads are getting old

Zer0oo

You know that fp is not a sorc class skill?
Also did you know that fp had already 20% chance to proc a status effect per beam? (if you spam fp a status effect should proc on average every 5 sec)
You know that on sorc in pve you already had extrem high uptime on concussion without that special staff?
Same goes for mag nb if they use infused lightning enchants and i haven't seen any mag nb coming even close to your 45-50k dps.

Did you actually test anything on the pts?

Don't get me wrong the staff is good but it is not as good as many make it to be. Also many don't see how strong many of the other new weapons can be(mostly for pvp).

kojou

I wish people would support their hypothesis with actual testing...

Do a parse with a normal staff then with this one. Use combat metrics to show how "OP" it is...

What is getting old is knee jerk reactions to reading descriptions and crying for adjustments before we even know how good it is.

Skander

IN THEORY: Will be a breaker for pvp
Sperimentally, we need to test it.

DeHei

theamazingx wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

Sorcs already have near 100% concussion uptime without charged, that's why their solo parses are inflated. And solo parses don't matter. And burned doesn't stack between players. I don't think you know anything about how practical dps works.

I know enough, that they could reach a nearly 100% uptime only with infused or charged weapons. Now they can use nirnhoned weapons for more spelldamage together with a 100% uptime.
I am very good in math and was right in 90% of times until now. This will be superstrong.

But YOU all need first impressions in PvP against this kind of opponent or Videos, which show how strong it is before you realise...

Izaki

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

DeHei

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

Wizards reposte 5th set piece gives same effect like 1/3 of the staff effect permsnent while using that skill..
So you can weat 5/5/1 or 5/3/1/1/1 (for max magickabuild). You dont need to use 2 5piece sets.

Ashamray

Elemental status effects don't work on Shields, racial and enchantment in the way: Fire resistance (and Dunmer) give imminity to Burning, Frost (and Nord) - to Chilled etc.
Damage shield is immune to all Elemental. So, some guys like Sorcs and Nightblabes with Hardened, Harness will be almost untouchable with this new destrostaff?

theamazingx

DeHei wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

Sorcs already have near 100% concussion uptime without charged, that's why their solo parses are inflated. And solo parses don't matter. And burned doesn't stack between players. I don't think you know anything about how practical dps works.

I know enough, that they could reach a nearly 100% uptime only with infused or charged weapons. Now they can use nirnhoned weapons for more spelldamage together with a 100% uptime.
I am very good in math and was right in 90% of times until now. This will be superstrong.

But YOU all need first impressions in PvP against this kind of opponent or Videos, which show how strong it is before you realise...

No, with sharp or nirnhoned. That's just how sorcs are, same with DKs and burning. Pvp this will be strong, but being negated by some racials and compeltely by shields as Ashamray pointed out means not really too strong, especially since no one will be standing in your blockade in pvp to turn that concussion to offbalance.

idk

DeHei wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]Concentrated Force (Perfected)

• Force Shock always applies the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds per enemy.

What is that?
That will buff warden damage, on that its fine, because they need a buff.

BUT it will also buff sorcdamage again for PvE and PvP! Its a bad joke... Do you really think about setbonis, before you put things like this on test realm??

How can Dragonknights & Templar use it well, because there maindamage comes over dots and not direct damage like that skill. Sorcs and nightblades will benefit very much from that. I think nightblades will start too to play with that skill in there rotation, because is *** strong!

If this survive the test realm, you will see again some guys ragequitting!

Lol. She quitting. Never saw anyone rage quit, especially dk or Templar players, when the real master staff was introduced even though I don't think they used the skill augmented by that weapon.

I like the new dStaff though it's called Asylum weapons.

Lord_Eomer

DeHei wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]Concentrated Force (Perfected)

• Force Shock always applies the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds per enemy.

What is that?
That will buff warden damage, on that its fine, because they need a buff.

BUT it will also buff sorcdamage again for PvE and PvP! Its a bad joke... Do you really think about setbonis, before you put things like this on test realm??

How can Dragonknights & Templar use it well, because there maindamage comes over dots and not direct damage like that skill. Sorcs and nightblades will benefit very much from that. I think nightblades will start too to play with that skill in there rotation, because is *** strong!

If this survive the test realm, you will see again some guys ragequitting!

Magicka only have 1 dps weapon skill comparing stamina have three choices.

Magicka weapon enchantment have to be good enough as i can not use whirlwind with dual wield on magicka toon!

DeHei

theamazingx wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

Sorcs already have near 100% concussion uptime without charged, that's why their solo parses are inflated. And solo parses don't matter. And burned doesn't stack between players. I don't think you know anything about how practical dps works.

I know enough, that they could reach a nearly 100% uptime only with infused or charged weapons. Now they can use nirnhoned weapons for more spelldamage together with a 100% uptime.
I am very good in math and was right in 90% of times until now. This will be superstrong.

But YOU all need first impressions in PvP against this kind of opponent or Videos, which show how strong it is before you realise...

No, with sharp or nirnhoned. That's just how sorcs are, same with DKs and burning. Pvp this will be strong, but being negated by some racials and compeltely by shields as Ashamray pointed out means not really too strong, especially since no one will be standing in your blockade in pvp to turn that concussion to offbalance.

Its will be negated on same way like darkelf passives negates the 25% more firedamage.. not!
First step it will be more damage and less from from same target.
With recasting blockade i get offbalance on very much targets.. its a bit more difficult to handle then common direct damage builds, but against this permablockbuilds its a perfect counter.

I give you guys 2-3 weeks and you will remember in my words, this shoulds survive the test realm!

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

Actually it's better to use Burning Spellweave with a 100% uptime and it's 4 second cooldown the burst can be times with the bonus cause it's a sure thing.

ParaNostram wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Also, BE CONSTRUCTIVE!

This is a test server. why do think it will be overpowered? IS there a way this could be changed, mitigated?

simple math:
10%damage from exploiter (CP), 8%damage from offbalance, 10% from burned nearly all time. that are 28% more damage and looks very OP in my eyes.
Why using charged anymore? dont need. I just use a *** nirnhoned destrostaff for more spelldamage and have all this nice effects on target too.
When you dont see this now, wait for first sorcs, who run 5 necro, 5 äther or master architect with this staff on offbar and vMSA staff on backbar.
Or Nightblades with 5 juljanos, 5master architect, this staff on frontbar and vMSA staff backbar. looks surely amazing to see the first 45-50k DPS rotation for single damage without support...

It's almost as if it's supposed to be an ultimate weapon or something that you get from a very potent challenge in the game... Hmmmm....

One set changes things Burning Spellweave 100% uptime that can be timed.

Olupajmibanan

A meh staff in end-game PvE. Magicka dk uses Flame Lash, MagickaNB Funnel Health/Swallow Soul and Templar Sweeps. Only class that can actively benefit from this is MagickaSorc. But,
uptime on concussion is already pretty high with all the sorcerers in a trial, uptime on burning is also 60-70% even now with Infused staff + Flame glyph. The question is if +30% uptime on burning outperforms 129 spell damage from moondancer bonus, which I am more than sure, doesn't.

However it's truly op staff in PvP. Magicka sorcs will go godmode with this.

DeHei

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

A meh staff in end-game PvE. Magicka dk uses Flame Lash, MagickaNB Funnel Health/Swallow Soul and Templar Sweeps. Only class that can actively benefit from this is MagickaSorc. But,
uptime on concussion is already pretty high with all the sorcerers in a trial, uptime on burning is also 60-70% even now with Infused staff + Flame glyph. The question is if +30% uptime on burning outperforms 129 spell damage from moondancer bonus, which I am more than sure, doesn't.

However it's truly op staff in PvP. Magicka sorcs will go godmode with this.

Yeah uptime is high, when some use this skill with infused weapons. Now just 1-2 need to hold this on cooldown and they can use better damage traits too.. in PvP it will be devastating for every 1vs1 situation against sorcs..

Izaki

DeHei wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

Wizards reposte 5th set piece gives same effect like 1/3 of the staff effect permsnent while using that skill..
So you can weat 5/5/1 or 5/3/1/1/1 (for max magickabuild). You dont need to use 2 5piece sets.

DeHei wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

Wizards reposte 5th set piece gives same effect like 1/3 of the staff effect permsnent while using that skill..
So you can weat 5/5/1 or 5/3/1/1/1 (for max magickabuild). You dont need to use 2 5piece sets.

So wizards riposte is the only 5pc set that you might use instead of that staff?

Just saying... Force Pulse is a Destro staff skill. You can use that skill on any class. Why is it associated with Sorcs? Because Sorcs are the only class without a class spammable. I find it funny when something that can be used by anyone is only assumed OP when its Sorcs that use it.

Bear in mind, I'm no Sorc lover, I'm just against the stupid "that class is OP because it uses a piece of gear that can be used on any class".

DeHei

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

Wizards reposte 5th set piece gives same effect like 1/3 of the staff effect permsnent while using that skill..
So you can weat 5/5/1 or 5/3/1/1/1 (for max magickabuild). You dont need to use 2 5piece sets.

DeHei wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lol, 1 Sorc will be running this in a raid group. That's it. 1 Sorc. You don't need more than that.

Also, do remember that in PvP you have to sacrifice completing a full set just to wear this staff.

Wizards reposte 5th set piece gives same effect like 1/3 of the staff effect permsnent while using that skill..
So you can weat 5/5/1 or 5/3/1/1/1 (for max magickabuild). You dont need to use 2 5piece sets.

So wizards riposte is the only 5pc set that you might use instead of that staff?

Just saying... Force Pulse is a Destro staff skill. You can use that skill on any class. Why is it associated with Sorcs? Because Sorcs are the only class without a class spammable. I find it funny when something that can be used by anyone is only assumed OP when its Sorcs that use it.

Bear in mind, I'm no Sorc lover, I'm just against the stupid "that class is OP because it uses a piece of gear that can be used on any class".

chilledbrings same damage reduction effect as minor malm... 15% like wizard reposte. Good just for 1 target every 4sec., but its very strong...

Magicka sorcs and magicka nightblades benefit more then other classes from master at arms. This skill is buffed from master at arms too.. Thats why templar and DKs dont use it...