First look at the TRANSMUTION system

DaggerfallTradeMasters

For the people who are interested about the transmute (retrait system) but cant hop on yet or not at all (console players)

Here is a short to the point video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrTYsRoBvE4

MissBizz

Before I attempt to watch this at work, did you determine if they always drop from pledges, if they drop from just running a vet dungeon not via random group finder or a pledge? How many stones does a geode break into?

DaggerfallTradeMasters

Looked at the system itself so far barely anyone was doing the pledges etc so i couldnt test that yet.
Also you can get the stones from PVP rewards so once i know all of that i will probably make another video including all of that

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

anyone have more info yet?

How many crystals does the average normal/vet give you?
How many does the pledges on normal/vet give?

Just want to know how long 40 will take to get. Thats all.

STEVIL

My question is does this consume a trait token in addition to the crystal? To be blunt do i need nirncruxv in inventory to transmute to nirnhoned?

Ackwalan

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

s7732425ub17_ESO

STEVIL wrote: »

My question is does this consume a trait token in addition to the crystal? To be blunt do i need nirncruxv in inventory to transmute to nirnhoned?

Interesting. I assume it would and should.

Malic

Ackwalan wrote: »

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

Hope is always a great thing, i use it a lot.

Transmution is going to be a premium activity as it essentially negates a big chunk of RNG. If they make these common, they will have to create another time sink. It is an MMO and the content is a months worth at best, so im betting they will be rare.

So be ready to queue up and pug up for your dailies.

BrightOblivion

MissBizz wrote: »

Before I attempt to watch this at work, did you determine if they always drop from pledges, if they drop from just running a vet dungeon not via random group finder or a pledge? How many stones does a geode break into?

While I'm not sure if pledges always drop them, Gina mentioned that, in a future PTS, random vet dungeons will always drop a transmutation geode (which I guess will contain some number of crystals).

sevomd69

BrightOblivion wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Before I attempt to watch this at work, did you determine if they always drop from pledges, if they drop from just running a vet dungeon not via random group finder or a pledge? How many stones does a geode break into?

While I'm not sure if pledges always drop them, Gina mentioned that, in a future PTS, random vet dungeons will always drop a transmutation geode (which I guess will contain some number of crystals).

I'm assuming...only for PTS...gonna be ultra rare drop on live...

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Ackwalan wrote: »

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

Imagine if it's 1 crystal per vet pledge....

Mojmir

Lol, called it. We ask for it, and there's always some BS catch.

MLGProPlayer

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

Imagine if it's 1 crystal per vet pledge....

That wouldn't be bad at all. 40 dungeon runs is still way less than the ~500 you'd need to farm a weapon in a specific trait.

OutLaw_Nynx

Gonna be living in Fungal Grotto i guess

JamieAubrey

So they will require some farming to get them then

MLGProPlayer

JamieAubrey wrote: »

So they will require some farming to get them then

That's not really new information. It was confirmed that the tokens would be a vet dungeon drop when they revealed the feature a few weeks ago.

Nyghthowler

Stupid question, but is there any way to change an items appearance?

NewBlacksmurf

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Stupid question, but is there any way to change an items appearance?

@Nyghthowler
Recently it was announced that cosmetic changes are planned for a future update.

sevomd69

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

Imagine if it's 1 crystal per vet pledge....

They said in patch notes that it will be an "occasional" drop...whatever that means...

Nyghthowler

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Stupid question, but is there any way to change an items appearance?

@Nyghthowler
Recently it was announced that cosmetic changes are planned for a future update.

OK, ty @NewBlacksmurf

Bouldercleave

"Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded."

So what I'm reading is that if you mainly solo, "&(^% you"

Vaoh

So glad this is finally gonna be in the game

code65536

STEVIL wrote: »

My question is does this consume a trait token in addition to the crystal? To be blunt do i need nirncruxv in inventory to transmute to nirnhoned?

@STEVIL It does not consume trait stones to transmute.

The transmutation also does not change the underlying item trait. Instead, it overrides the innate trait with a new one. This means that a transmuted item cannot be researched, and I expect that a deconned transmuted item will not yield trait stones of the overriding trait (though verification is needed).

On the technical side, ESO's itemization system gives every item/trait combination a separate item ID. For example:

• 71155: vMA fire staff, defending
• 71156: vMA fire staff, sharp
• 71162: vMA ice staff, sharp

So instead of all vMA fire staves sharing one ID and having the trait be a separate field, every possible trait for a vMA fire staff is its own separate ID.

When you transmute a defending fire staff into a sharp fire staff, this ID does not change. So instead of converting your item from a specimen of 71155 into a specimen of 71156, your item remains a specimen of 71155, but with an overriding trait applied that suppresses the original innate trait.

So if someone links a transmuted sharp item, you can look at its item ID and determine what the original innate trait of the item was (and still is).

It means that I can tell the difference between a "real" divines Skoria vs. a "doctored" divines Skoria, and for someone with a touch of OCD like me, that's rather irksome. I would've preferred a system where the item was truly changed, rather than dressed in a new trait costume.

NewBlacksmurf

code65536 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

My question is does this consume a trait token in addition to the crystal? To be blunt do i need nirncruxv in inventory to transmute to nirnhoned?

@STEVIL It does not consume trait stones to transmute.

The transmutation also does not change the underlying item trait. Instead, it overrides the innate trait with a new one. This means that a transmuted item cannot be researched, and I expect that a deconned transmuted item will not yield trait stones of the overriding trait (though verification is needed).

On the technical side, ESO's itemization system gives every item/trait combination a separate item ID. For example:

• 71155: vMA fire staff, defending
• 71156: vMA fire staff, sharp
• 71162: vMA ice staff, sharp

So instead of all vMA fire staves sharing one ID and having the trait be a separate field, every possible trait for a vMA fire staff is its own separate ID.

When you transmute a defending fire staff into a sharp fire staff, this ID does not change. So instead of converting your item from a specimen of 71155 into a specimen of 71156, your item remains a specimen of 71155, but with an overriding trait applied that suppresses the original innate trait.

So if someone links a transmuted sharp item, you can look at its item ID and determine what the original innate trait of the item was (and still is).

It means that I can tell the difference between a "real" divines Skoria vs. a "doctored" divines Skoria, and for someone with a touch of OCD like me, that's rather irksome. I would've preferred a system where the item was truly changed, rather than dressed in a new trait costume.

@code65536

Good stuff so in theory this could bring about complaints on using one character to help create items for another character of the same account to research.

TheRealPotoroo

Bouldercleave wrote: »

"Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded."

So what I'm reading is that if you mainly solo, "&(^% you"

This implementation is short-sighted and wrong in every way. I have well over 2,000 hours up in this game and I've never run a veteran dungeon. I have put a year of real time into getting my characters' crafting up to scratch and I want transmogrification and transmutation more than anything. The idea that transmutation crystals will only be available in vet dungeons and PvP horrifies me.

FloppyTouch

Thank god we don't need to run dungeons 100s of times to get the perfect traits on our gear. Now we just have to run them 100s of times to change the traits to the one we want. Well done ZoS

zaria

code65536 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

My question is does this consume a trait token in addition to the crystal? To be blunt do i need nirncruxv in inventory to transmute to nirnhoned?

@STEVIL It does not consume trait stones to transmute.

The transmutation also does not change the underlying item trait. Instead, it overrides the innate trait with a new one. This means that a transmuted item cannot be researched, and I expect that a deconned transmuted item will not yield trait stones of the overriding trait (though verification is needed).

On the technical side, ESO's itemization system gives every item/trait combination a separate item ID. For example:

• 71155: vMA fire staff, defending
• 71156: vMA fire staff, sharp
• 71162: vMA ice staff, sharp

So instead of all vMA fire staves sharing one ID and having the trait be a separate field, every possible trait for a vMA fire staff is its own separate ID.

When you transmute a defending fire staff into a sharp fire staff, this ID does not change. So instead of converting your item from a specimen of 71155 into a specimen of 71156, your item remains a specimen of 71155, but with an overriding trait applied that suppresses the original innate trait.

So if someone links a transmuted sharp item, you can look at its item ID and determine what the original innate trait of the item was (and still is).

It means that I can tell the difference between a "real" divines Skoria vs. a "doctored" divines Skoria, and for someone with a touch of OCD like me, that's rather irksome. I would've preferred a system where the item was truly changed, rather than dressed in a new trait costume.

This surprised me, i always assumed traits was an field of gear not an new id.
Using transformed items for research or deconstruct would anyway be a serious waste, rather spend an hour or two stealing to buy nirnhoned items.

disintegr8

Not really sure what this means: " Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.""

Does this mean that rather than going in your inventory, they are like 'collectibles' that can be used by any character on your account without needing to go into the bank?
Or are they are locked to the character that earns them or can they in fact be put in your own bank for use by other characters?

If other people are like me, their master crafter is not their most accomplished dungeon/trial runner but a dedicated crafter, who for one reason or another, was simply set aside to learn and level crafting for the benefit of the rest of their characters. In my case this is a Breton Nightblade, the first character I ever made, and he has no place running vet dungeons!!

essi2

Thanks, I was getting abit worried when I didn't see Binding mentioned in the Patch Notes.

AlienatedGoat

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Good stuff so in theory this could bring about complaints on using one character to help create items for another character of the same account to research.

Wut?

You already could make items for other characters to research. Nobody cares if you do that because you still have to wait ages.

Ackwalan

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

It costs 40 transmute crystals? I really hope these aren't rare drops.

Imagine if it's 1 crystal per vet pledge....

Imagine if it takes 10 fragments to make 1 crystal.