Are battlegrounds more balanced now?

ChaosWotan

Have not played ESO since Morrowind release, and at that time many were not happy with battlegrounds and the new heavy attack fighting, but has this improved now? Is pvp more balanced? Or is battleground mostly for elite gamers? (Got narcolepsy so I suck in CoD-like games.)

Turelus

Some of the builds and meta has changed but it's still the same.

Full groups of good players will beat groups of bad players or group finder ones. Generally how things go with arena based combat in games, every update will have a meta which is strong and the good players will run.

ChaosWotan

Okay, thanks, good to know. I actually got a bit "scared" of playing battlegrounds and the most difficult vet dungeons after this part of ESO became elitist, with many not having patience with less-skilled players. I assume that this impatience has not changed either?

It is good that ESO has challenging content for the best players, or else they will just leave of course, but the downside is that the game can now appear less friendly than it was in 2014 and 2015. But prb nothing one can do about this, except to stay out of the fast lanes if you are slow.

Hope large-scale fighting in Cyrodiil will get new content soon. Any news on that?

Defilted

A lot of this game is going to come down to your perception of it.

I do not run into elitist issues with other players and I have a great time in Cryro. I think it is all how you take it in personally that changes the experience to a negative or a positive. Pretty sure that is true in life as well.

I enjoy every aspect of this game to one degree or another. It is all in good fun. Sure there are some areas of the game that need some improvements, but it is still a good time.

Turelus

Defilted wrote: »

A lot of this game is going to come down to your perception of it.

I do not run into elitist issues with other players and I have a great time in Cryro. I think it is all how you take it in personally that changes the experience to a negative or a positive. Pretty sure that is true in life as well.

I enjoy every aspect of this game to one degree or another. It is all in good fun. Sure there are some areas of the game that need some improvements, but it is still a good time.

This is pretty much how I approaching things in the game (and life) now and I am much happier for it.

You either spend all your time focusing on the negatives and making yourself miserable because the games not (and never will be) what you want, or you find what you enjoy about it and just keep doing that and having fun.

ChaosWotan

I enjoy(ed) Cyro too, but now it needs a serious upgrade. Have often been PUG leader there, since I like the more strategic part of large scale battles, but if battlegrounds still lack a good way to create teams that are equally skilled, then it doesn't feel good to disappoint team members who are much better than me in CoD-like fighting.

Turelus

ChaosWotan wrote: »

I enjoy(ed) Cyro too, but now it needs a serious upgrade. Have often been PUG leader there, since I like the more strategic part of large scale battles, but if battlegrounds still lack a good way to create teams that are equally skilled, then it doesn't feel good to disappoint team members who are much better than me in CoD-like fighting.

Bring a strong balanced team with good communication and builds and you'll do fine. Yes sometimes you get wrecked by the really good players but that's how all games will be. If you're an average or above average player with others of the same skill level, have string solo or small gang builds and understand basic tactics and can communicate well on voice then you will do fine.

Remember even if one super strong team gets matched against you then you can always team up with the other team or just stomp on them and get a win.

ChaosWotan

Cool, if one can change unbalanced teams easily, then it's not so bad. But how can one "stomp on" a better team to win?

And does one get more ap now when playing battlegrounds (compared to Cyrodiil)? Still have 3-4 levels before I get Legate and black dye, so nice to have good ap in battlegrounds.

Waffennacht

You'll get a lot more AP for your time in Cyrodiil.

It's around 2k AP for a loss and like 4.5k for a win. Typically takes 10ish min for most matches.

It's more balanced in that the player pool is a lot better now. Far less inexperienced players. Though an organized team still had an advantage.

You'll find mostly Stam NBs and Mag builds - mostly sorc or DK I feel.

AoEs will buff your score

ChaosWotan

@Waffennacht

Thanks for info, appreciate it.

Ironic, however, that the last time I took a year break from ESO, stam blades suddenly became one of the strongest classes in pvp, and today stam blades seem meta again but now I'm once again bored of the old content in ESO and prb not returning until enough new DLCs have accumulated in 2018. By then stam blades are nerfed again, and I'm back to being loyal to my favourite but weakest class: stam blades. In the meantime, hope you NBs take some seriously friendly revenge on sorcs and DKs, as long as this meta lasts

And kill some templars too while you'r at it.

Alphaa

Been playing them alot the last few days, mostly with friends. I imagine playing objective on a team full of solo people would frustrate me to much.

Betsararie

balance is not a major issue in BGs. That is even less so the case now. I didn't think it was an issue in Morrowind either, but that is because I chose to fight back against the proc sets, instead of merely crying about them.

The issue in BGs is the fact that we can't choose the game type, and instead are forced to play these little baby flag and objective games. Most people are interested in playing deathmatch.

Waffennacht

Blanco wrote: »

balance is not a major issue in BGs. That is even less so the case now. I didn't think it was an issue in Morrowind either, but that is because I chose to fight back against the proc sets, instead of merely crying about them.

The issue in BGs is the fact that we can't choose the game type, and instead are forced to play these little baby flag and objective games. Most people are interested in playing deathmatch.

It's true I'd rather just death match or more frequently. However the other modes can be fun - if you have a team that knows how to play.

Even then, a single player can really turn the tide if they know how.

Only problem is if someone leaves your group, if you're short a person it's really felt

Betsararie

Waffennacht wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

balance is not a major issue in BGs. That is even less so the case now. I didn't think it was an issue in Morrowind either, but that is because I chose to fight back against the proc sets, instead of merely crying about them.

The issue in BGs is the fact that we can't choose the game type, and instead are forced to play these little baby flag and objective games. Most people are interested in playing deathmatch.

It's true I'd rather just death match or more frequently. However the other modes can be fun - if you have a team that knows how to play.

Even then, a single player can really turn the tide if they know how.

Only problem is if someone leaves your group, if you're short a person it's really felt

The other modes, particularly flag are fun in small doses- Every once and a while.

Say, 99% of the time I'd prefer deathmatch. I really think it works well in the 4v4v4 format. You have to watch your back, but battles are generally small which I like.

Actually, a problem I've encountered recently, is nobody is playing the objective anymore. I think everyone is getting fed up. If I queue up and get domination (which is common), nobody is capping. I usually will at least try to cap in the beginning, but when it's apparent the rest of the team doesn't care, there's no point. I'd probably just try to kill people at that point.

Waffennacht

Blanco wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

balance is not a major issue in BGs. That is even less so the case now. I didn't think it was an issue in Morrowind either, but that is because I chose to fight back against the proc sets, instead of merely crying about them.

The issue in BGs is the fact that we can't choose the game type, and instead are forced to play these little baby flag and objective games. Most people are interested in playing deathmatch.

It's true I'd rather just death match or more frequently. However the other modes can be fun - if you have a team that knows how to play.

Even then, a single player can really turn the tide if they know how.

Only problem is if someone leaves your group, if you're short a person it's really felt

The other modes, particularly flag are fun in small doses- Every once and a while.

Say, 99% of the time I'd prefer deathmatch. I really think it works well in the 4v4v4 format. You have to watch your back, but battles are generally small which I like.

Actually, a problem I've encountered recently, is nobody is playing the objective anymore. I think everyone is getting fed up. If I queue up and get domination (which is common), nobody is capping. I usually will at least try to cap in the beginning, but when it's apparent the rest of the team doesn't care, there's no point. I'd probably just try to kill people at that point.

I've noticed this happening in relic and chaos. In chaos I did it myself. I think I got chaos ball 6 times, 0 relic, 2 domination, and 1 death match.

Betsararie

Waffennacht wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

balance is not a major issue in BGs. That is even less so the case now. I didn't think it was an issue in Morrowind either, but that is because I chose to fight back against the proc sets, instead of merely crying about them.

The issue in BGs is the fact that we can't choose the game type, and instead are forced to play these little baby flag and objective games. Most people are interested in playing deathmatch.

It's true I'd rather just death match or more frequently. However the other modes can be fun - if you have a team that knows how to play.

Even then, a single player can really turn the tide if they know how.

Only problem is if someone leaves your group, if you're short a person it's really felt

The other modes, particularly flag are fun in small doses- Every once and a while.

Say, 99% of the time I'd prefer deathmatch. I really think it works well in the 4v4v4 format. You have to watch your back, but battles are generally small which I like.

Actually, a problem I've encountered recently, is nobody is playing the objective anymore. I think everyone is getting fed up. If I queue up and get domination (which is common), nobody is capping. I usually will at least try to cap in the beginning, but when it's apparent the rest of the team doesn't care, there's no point. I'd probably just try to kill people at that point.

I've noticed this happening in relic and chaos. In chaos I did it myself. I think I got chaos ball 6 times, 0 relic, 2 domination, and 1 death match.

basically if I notice they're not going to be going for the objective, I'll join in and just try to kill people. I guess in that way it can be a sort of makeshift deathmatch.

I've been getting way less deathmatches lately, which is somewhat making me lost interest in the game mode altogether.

ak_pvp

Cynics pov:

Deathmatch is good except the stupid sigil.

Chaos and CTF both have a decent share of fights, but you get more points *** the relic/ball. Usually someone (mainly a tank.) ahead for less work.

Domination is utter cancer. Zergballing round flags isn't fun. Want to protect? Nope, a team of 4 will cap the flag and *** off, because only numbers matter. GG getting the 500 defensive executions when the flag isn't yours anymore. Remove it tbh, the new koth mode looks much better.

Betsararie

Ah, the sigil is a skill-less POS, this is true.

But it's so fun to get it and just mow down ppl.

edited typo

Derra

Turelus wrote: »

Some of the builds and meta has changed but it's still the same.

Full groups of good players will beat groups of bad players or group finder ones. Generally how things go with arena based combat in games, every update will have a meta which is strong and the good players will run.

If only there was a way to circumvent this from happening too often.
Wonder why so many players advocated for dedicated group and solo queue aswell as having a mmr/elo system.

These problems are selfmade bc zos refused to release bgs with proper matchmaking and it´s not the players or the meta to blame.
It´s really zos releasing something half-cooked that in the end neither casual nor hardcore players truely enjoy . Nothing else.

Waffennacht

I wonder why the sigils is even there...

Been trying new stuff, got to have @lexxypwns knock me around last night - lol didn't work. New builds do that lmao

Lexxypwns

BGs still have all the same flaws they ever did.

There's still no MMR, bad mechanics in some game modes, and nothing to prevent pre-mades from stomping PUGS. If anything balance has gotten worse as players have nailed down meta builds for BGs that are specifically catered to the environment provided and give an even bigger advantage against players with casual or even multi-purpose builds.

However, its still a fair sight better than cyrodiil if you're looking for small scale gameplay, despite its shortcomings.

Ran a 4 stack through like 8 BG matches last night and went 8-0 in those matches and only two deaths, both of which were suicides to pass the chaosball to someone else after we wiped the other 2 teams. There's virtually no fun to be had when you're on either side of these fights and that's a huge problem. In one deathmatch last night nobody that wasn't on our team broke 200k damage or had more than 5 kills. Until something is done this will continue to be a problem. Unfortunately, atm, its either pug stomp or get pug stomped during primetime. But, again, that's far better than how you're going to fair in cyro with a small group during those times.

@Waffennacht some good fights last night, that bear gave me some trouble, I've got to figure out how to deal with it.

Hutch679

@Lexxypwns @Waffennacht I want to run with you both a few games in bgs

Lexxypwns

Hutch679 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns @Waffennacht I want to run with you both a few games in bgs

Absolutely! I sprained my knee last week so I'm binging hardcore on ESO while I'm off work. I'll add you when I get on in a few minutes and just HMU when you see me on. I'm always in BGs or farming and when I'm farming I'd probably rather be in BGs lol

Apherius

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Have not played ESO since Morrowind release, and at that time many were not happy with battlegrounds and the new heavy attack fighting, but has this improved now? Is pvp more balanced? Or is battleground mostly for elite gamers? (Got narcolepsy so I suck in CoD-like games.)

Battleground is an interesting concept but :

• The rewards are garbage .
• The AP rewards are garbage.
• CTF game is just ... the worst game , people just avoid the fight ,they take the ennemies relic then they rolldodge or use te S&B ultimate / resto ultimate ... it's not interresting
• You can't choose the mini-game so ... often you fall on " CTF " and you are just like " Hum ... did i just paid 40€ for this ? "

But the rest is awesome ,the battleground maps are beautiful and other mini-games are funs.

About the heavy attack ... in PVE i'm just bored with my magsorc ... dot/dot/dot/heavy attack / dot / dot ... or dot/dot/crushing shock/frag or crushing shock / heavy attack / dot ect... the gamplay isn't fun at all.

Lexxypwns

Apherius wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Have not played ESO since Morrowind release, and at that time many were not happy with battlegrounds and the new heavy attack fighting, but has this improved now? Is pvp more balanced? Or is battleground mostly for elite gamers? (Got narcolepsy so I suck in CoD-like games.)

Battleground is an interesting concept but :

• The rewards are garbage .
• The AP rewards are garbage.
• CTF game is just ... the worst game , people just avoid the fight ,they take the ennemies relic then they rolldodge or use te S&B ultimate / resto ultimate ... it's not interresting
• You can't choose the mini-game so ... often you fall on " CTF " and you are just like " Hum ... did i just paid 40€ for this ? "

But the rest is awesome ,the battleground maps are beautiful and other mini-games are funs.

About the heavy attack ... in PVE i'm just bored with my magsorc ... dot/dot/dot/heavy attack / dot / dot ... or dot/dot/crushing shock/frag or crushing shock / heavy attack / dot ect... the gamplay isn't fun at all.

If I may make a suggestion. If you wish to force fights in CTR you just capture relics for the other teams then hold them and make them fight you if you want points. Furthermore, if you need to catch up, just camp the team in the lead's relic base, as long as you've got their relic out they won't be able to score and will have to seek you out to progress the game. This devastates the people who are running the "run away" specs for this game mode as they've invested into speed and survivability but often can't do anything when confronted with forced combat. Sure, you get a debuff for carrying the relics, but so do they and if you're actually spec'ed for combat and they're not then you should get easy kills.

I don't like the game mode, but there are way to force fights and control scoring so that if you're looking for fights you can get them.

What I really hate is chaos ball, either a team can stack enough healing and area denial to melt people coming for the ball and rotate carriers OR it turns into just stomping the carrying team on rotation until someone ends up with the most points.

CatchMeTrolling

Hutch679 wrote: »

Lexxypwns Waffennacht I want to run with you both a few games in bgs

What's your GT?

Hutch679

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns @Waffennacht I want to run with you both a few games in bgs

Absolutely! I sprained my knee last week so I'm binging hardcore on ESO while I'm off work. I'll add you when I get on in a few minutes and just HMU when you see me on. I'm always in BGs or farming and when I'm farming I'd probably rather be in BGs lol

God this is so me... lol

Hutch679

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Lexxypwns Waffennacht I want to run with you both a few games in bgs

What's your GT?

Hutch679