Transmutation Crystals Drop Rate

Galenus_of_Pergamon

As many of you have read, Clock Work City will allow players [with the requirements met] to change the trait on any armor dropped.

This is called a transmutation system. In order to transmute a piece of gear [EX: Change a Training Necropotence Staff of Lightning to a Divines Necropotence staff of Lightning], then two requirements must be met.

1) That player must have completed research for the Divines trait in lightning staves.

2) That player must also possess transmutation crystals [which are consumed during transmutation].

Transmutation crystals are earned by completing vet dungeons and vet trials.

I have three questions:

Does anyone yet know the drop rate of transmutation crystals when a player completes vet dungeons and vet trials?

Does anyone yet know how many transmutation crystals are consumed per item [trait change] transmutation?

Does anyone yet know if transmutation crystals are bound or tradable?

Does anyone yet know if a transmuted piece of gear is bound to the original crafter who transmuted it- or can it be sold on the open market?

/end rant

Just really curious if this will turn the ESO economy on it's head.

Thank you everyone and have a great day!

Sigtric

I don't think any of this information has been released yet.

Apherius

it's four question.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Coming soon to a crown store near you

Asardes

About the same as BSW sharp inferno in the One Tamriel patch.

idk

You basically summed up what is known. The questions you have are ones we all have and stay tuned for when Zos chooses to inform us.

BTW, unless it's a 100% chance to drop Zos will not tell us the drop rate. Well, very unlikely.

idk

I believe Zos stated the crystals will be bound.

The rest of the questions are not known by anyone who will answer the question at this time.

I_killed_Vivec

Interesting questions... I don't know the answers, but I have a few ideas...

1. I bet it's not even 50%, or if it is...
2. ... the number you will be linked to the drop rate. And I wouldn't be surprised if the trait you want determines the number you need. You want Sharpened? That will cost.
3. I thought that they were going to be tradeable. But I can see that they would make them bound to add extra spice to the grind...
4. If crystals are bound, and gear is bound, then the character that has the goods has to be the crafter. That might hurt a few people who want nirn... but I can't see how else it works, without making crystals and gear transferable. And how does that work unless you can sell them?

I think that the main opportunity that ZoS sees is crystals in the Crown Store "for your convenience". If that is the case then crystals will be bound, with a low drop rate/high consumption rate. That way they can sell them for cash without people complaining they are destroying the economy because they weren't tradeable in the first place.

Of course I've made all that up, so it might be nonsense, but it does seem to follow ZoS's approach to useful items - see psijic and aetherial potions.

Dasovaruilos

We are all dying to know...

So far, it all sounds way too good to be true, so I'm still waiting for the "catch", hehe.

Hopefully they will release more details soon to stop the speculation.

Mojmir

More RNG to replace RNG.

Galenus_of_Pergamon

Apherius wrote: »

it's four question.

Correct, I got carried away

Galenus_of_Pergamon

idk wrote: »

I believe Zos stated the crystals will be bound.

The rest of the questions are not known by anyone who will answer the question at this time.

Thank you very much. Do you have any citation from the development team hinting at this?

Galenus_of_Pergamon

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Interesting questions... I don't know the answers, but I have a few ideas...

1. I bet it's not even 50%, or if it is...
2. ... the number you will be linked to the drop rate. And I wouldn't be surprised if the trait you want determines the number you need. You want Sharpened? That will cost.
3. I thought that they were going to be tradeable. But I can see that they would make them bound to add extra spice to the grind...
4. If crystals are bound, and gear is bound, then the character that has the goods has to be the crafter. That might hurt a few people who want nirn... but I can't see how else it works, without making crystals and gear transferable. And how does that work unless you can sell them?

I think that the main opportunity that ZoS sees is crystals in the Crown Store "for your convenience". If that is the case then crystals will be bound, with a low drop rate/high consumption rate. That way they can sell them for cash without people complaining they are destroying the economy because they weren't tradeable in the first place.

Of course I've made all that up, so it might be nonsense, but it does seem to follow ZoS's approach to useful items - see psijic and aetherial potions.

You raise insightful points by basing your hypotheses off of ZoS' prior trends regarding Mythical Ambrosia. This does start to sound like a cash for convenience ploy.

My biggest fear would be that transmutation crystals have a 100% drop rate, only one crystal is consumed per transmutation of gear/weapon, transmutation crystals are unbound and salable, and transmuted gear is unbound and salable. This seems it would disrupt the economy drastically. Hopefully I am being overly-paranoid as usual.

Nestor

None of us know right now what the drop rate is.

However, if I had to guess, it will be somewhere between Aetheric Dust and Boyant Armiger Motif Chapters. Another guess is you will need 10 pieces to make one transmutation piece.

OK, maybe not that bad a drop rate. However, ZOS could very easily kill the secondary market on BoE Set Items if these transmutation items drop like candy. So, part of me wants them to be a rare drop. Actually, the part of me that knows Divines is not the end all be all of traits on gear really wants them to be a rare drop. Then again, that same part of me wants it to drop like candy so that maybe, just maybe, everyone else will realize that divines is not the end all be all of traits.

Galenus_of_Pergamon

Nestor wrote: »

None of us know right now what the drop rate is.

However, if I had to guess, it will be somewhere between Aetheric Dust and Boyant Armiger Motif Chapters. And you will need 10 pieces to make one transmutation piece.

OK, maybe not that bad a drop rate. However, ZOS could very easily kill the secondary market on BoE Set Items if these transmutation items drop like candy. So, part of me wants them to be a rare drop. Actually, the part of me that knows Divines is not the end all be all of traits on gear really wants them to be a rare drop. Then again, that same part of me wants it to drop like candy so that maybe, just maybe, everyone else will realize that divines is not the end all be all of traits.

You hope ten transmutation crystals are needed per item transmute or you know that?

Sorry, I am asking for such precise answers for a specific reason. I am creating an online etrader for console, that will specialize in high end gear, and I fear this could put a huge dent in our business model if transmuting is as easy as finding unhealthy food in Walmart

olsborg

If they want to earn dollars, they should put these in the crown store.

Galenus_of_Pergamon

I imagine they will. Just curious how easy transmuting will be for those poor people and wealthy people who refuse to obtain anything in the game [other than cosmetics or housing, if that] by paying their own money to purchase crowns.

Nestor

Galenus_of_Pergamon wrote: »

None of us know right now what the drop rate is.

However, if I had to guess,...............

I thought I suitably qualified my response.

OK, let me say it again in a different way:

No one knows the drop rates, or the mechanics, of the system. It has not hit the PTS. Until then, we are all guessing.

I know you want information, but it is not there to obtain.

Galenus_of_Pergamon

@Nestor

And you will need 10 pieces to make one transmutation piece.

This is the sentence that confused me, but I reread and see it was a continuation of your hopes from the directly prior sentence and not a statement of fact.

Thank you for the clarification!

Nestor

I fixed the original for more clarity.

Sordidfairytale

Adding to the knowledge so far:

• A special station will need to be used when performing a retraiting.
• One station can be found in Clockwork city
  1. It has not been identified if you will need to complete a quest in order to use the station or not
• Another station can be purchased from the writ voucher vendor
  1. It was not made clear if it will be a ready to use station, or if it will be an attunable station that will need to be attuned in clockwork

• The crystals will also be available from Rewards for the Worthy emails and end of campaign awards for the pvp crowd
  1. the drop rate for this method of obtaining crystals has not been identified either

Sources:

Station

PVP

FrancisCrawford

I still think transmutation crystals should be available for some number of Writ vouchers, presumably a 3-digit number.

People invest a LOT in getting good at crafting, so a reward of this magnitude would be appropriate.

Saying that you get the appropriate stations with writ vouchers is beside the point. Each major guild will buy one the first weekend they're available, and that will be that.

Sordidfairytale

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I still think transmutation crystals should be available for some number of Writ vouchers, presumably a 3-digit number.

People invest a LOT in getting good at crafting, so a reward of this magnitude would be appropriate.

Saying that you get the appropriate stations with writ vouchers is beside the point. Each major guild will buy one the first weekend they're available, and that will be that.

I'd feel more satisfied if the crystals were worth double digit vouchers. 50+ vouchers would seem appropriate, that's 2 weeks for a diligent crafter. Making them 100+ is only going to penalize the unlucky crafter that ZOS' rng deems worthy of only 8 alchemy writs across 2 weeks...

Galenus_of_Pergamon

Great insight, everyone. Thank you for this discourse.

idk

Galenus_of_Pergamon wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I believe Zos stated the crystals will be bound.

The rest of the questions are not known by anyone who will answer the question at this time.

Thank you very much. Do you have any citation from the development team hinting at this?

PAX

Probably find the information directly from the devs in the video of this link as it covered Zos' PAX presentation. https://www.pscp.tv/TESOnline/1ZkKzOVWDLvGv

Besides the information @Sordidfairytale provided in addition we know nothing. Zos knows, but will not tell us further information until they choose to. Most of it will not be known until the PTS is released and that can change before going to live.

BTW, that link should also contain all information we know about this new system.

FrancisCrawford

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I still think transmutation crystals should be available for some number of Writ vouchers, presumably a 3-digit number.

People invest a LOT in getting good at crafting, so a reward of this magnitude would be appropriate.

Saying that you get the appropriate stations with writ vouchers is beside the point. Each major guild will buy one the first weekend they're available, and that will be that.

I'd feel more satisfied if the crystals were worth double digit vouchers. 50+ vouchers would seem appropriate, that's 2 weeks for a diligent crafter. Making them 100+ is only going to penalize the unlucky crafter that ZOS' rng deems worthy of only 8 alchemy writs across 2 weeks...

Writ vouchers are worth somewhat over 1K each, it seems. If stones are a rare drop as rewards for tough content, then >100K value will be appropriate.

If they drop more readily, then your idea for pricing makes more sense.

Dasovaruilos

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I still think transmutation crystals should be available for some number of Writ vouchers, presumably a 3-digit number.

People invest a LOT in getting good at crafting, so a reward of this magnitude would be appropriate.

Saying that you get the appropriate stations with writ vouchers is beside the point. Each major guild will buy one the first weekend they're available, and that will be that.

I'd feel more satisfied if the crystals were worth double digit vouchers. 50+ vouchers would seem appropriate, that's 2 weeks for a diligent crafter. Making them 100+ is only going to penalize the unlucky crafter that ZOS' rng deems worthy of only 8 alchemy writs across 2 weeks...

We can't really speculate that before we know the drop rates.

If it is Dust level of drops, than that makes sense, though I really doubt it will be this low. The crystals would cost 1 million or more on Xbox/NA market if they are this rare and unbound.

Until we know:

1. If the crystals are BoP or BoE (I don't think this has been confirmed either way yet)
2. Drop rate

We can't really say how much gold / vouchers it should be worth.

I really wish they give us more information before the actual PTS Patch Notes. If they let the hype build up too much and then crush it with a bad implementation, it will be very disappointing again (just like Morrowing sustain nerfs, Horns last-minute changes).

Azurya

put the crystals in the crown shop!
I have tons of gear to use them on, though I don´t think it usefull,
CAUZE every new chapter of the game you can throw your gear in the dustbin
for then it is no longer BiS or the stats no longer fit

Qbiken

My hopes:

* The stones will be BoP

or

* The gear piece you decide to re-trait will become BoP

Sure the price for certain gear in the market will drop anyway but by making the stones BoP (and everything associated with them BoP) will prevent stuff from being useless/un-sellable.

Eatmyface

You'll probably have more chance farming the correctly traited item you're after lol

Insomnia rex

Galenus_of_Pergamon wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Interesting questions... I don't know the answers, but I have a few ideas...

1. I bet it's not even 50%, or if it is...
2. ... the number you will be linked to the drop rate. And I wouldn't be surprised if the trait you want determines the number you need. You want Sharpened? That will cost.
3. I thought that they were going to be tradeable. But I can see that they would make them bound to add extra spice to the grind...
4. If crystals are bound, and gear is bound, then the character that has the goods has to be the crafter. That might hurt a few people who want nirn... but I can't see how else it works, without making crystals and gear transferable. And how does that work unless you can sell them?

I think that the main opportunity that ZoS sees is crystals in the Crown Store "for your convenience". If that is the case then crystals will be bound, with a low drop rate/high consumption rate. That way they can sell them for cash without people complaining they are destroying the economy because they weren't tradeable in the first place.

Of course I've made all that up, so it might be nonsense, but it does seem to follow ZoS's approach to useful items - see psijic and aetherial potions.

You raise insightful points by basing your hypotheses off of ZoS' prior trends regarding Mythical Ambrosia. This does start to sound like a cash for convenience ploy.

My biggest fear would be that transmutation crystals have a 100% drop rate, only one crystal is consumed per transmutation of gear/weapon, transmutation crystals are unbound and salable, and transmuted gear is unbound and salable. This seems it would disrupt the economy drastically. Hopefully I am being overly-paranoid as usual.

Your biggest fear is my best case scenario. I think it would disrupt the economy in a similar way in which the economy is missing out on billions because of pirates.