This is what happens when you have too many campaigns

Skander

Just sayin

Chilly-McFreeze

Buff campaigns. Delete one or better yet two and you will actually have competitive campaigns.

waitwhat

Great. Each alliance's PvE population gets to quest in peace.

What's Vivec and Sotha Sil's population like?

Ilsabet

That's awesome.

GrumpyDuckling

Speaking for console: ZOS cut down the number campaigns with Morrowind, then had to add more in because of ridiculous waiting times to get into campaigns during Midyear Mayhem.

Bhaal5

Same on ps4, all a bunch of unpopulated buff campaigns. Still wondering what the 2nd p in pvp stands for? Doesnt seem to be "player" atm

waitwhat

@Bhaal5 : The 2nd p stands for purse. Tel Var farming anyone?

SirAndy

Reaches for the "Switch Campaign" button ...

TequilaFire

Must be a slow day for digging up complaints.

Bhaal5

Rolf, @waitwhat i can't believe ive been getting it wrong all this time. Makes sense now
*facepalm moment*

Skander

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

Luigi_Vampa

This is pathetic.

Bhaal5

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

I can only click awesome once, here's another 20
@Skander

nimander99

Kek

CaffeinatedMayhem

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

Uh, not sure if you... ahem... insulted PvP players noticed, but there's a LOT of PvE content in Cyro, espeically IC. Yes, PvE players would like to play that too without being constant ganker fodder because we think miat's is stupid.

Just ya know, maybe cut down on the coffee k?

Sevn

What's stopping bloodthirsty players from joining a campaign that isn't dominated by their faction? It seems players have the option to do either or and are choosing how they want to play. By a vast amount looking at those numbers.

Bhaal5

In the end, it is a player vs player environment. Treat it as such, it should not be diluted because in anyway. Competition is great and its the "thrill" of not knowing whats around the corner.

Or should the allow dueling in trials or make dungeons a free for all where your damage is done everything, group members included?

CaffeinatedMayhem

Or maybe ya know, let people PvE in peace in IC. I'm not taking zones, I just want to do the dailies without dying repeatedly. I know, it's hard to contain your bloodthirst, but really, if you have to resort to ganking people only when they're fighintg PvE monsters, how good of a PvP player are you? Too scared to just walk up and start a fight? At least dueler's have that.

This comment is directed at all the AD gank groups that are the reason I don't play IC anymore. Every Sunday, groups of 4-6 take all the districts then no, not farm telvar, just gank people, and ONLY when you'r already busy doing something. It is ALWAYS AD (30 weeks running). I love IC, I don't love being suddenly dead.

Bhaal5

Sevn wrote: »

What's stopping bloodthirsty players from joining a campaign that isn't dominated by their faction? It seems players have the option to do either or and are choosing how they want to play. By a vast amount looking at those numbers.

Think its more the fact having more campaigns has diluted the population in the sewers heaps. On ps4, it doesnt matter what campaign, they are all empty in the sewers

KingYogi415

Destiny 2 just came out. A huge population of people are going to play that for a while.

Plus all I see is less lags and less zergs in these half filled servers!

Sevn

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

What's stopping bloodthirsty players from joining a campaign that isn't dominated by their faction? It seems players have the option to do either or and are choosing how they want to play. By a vast amount looking at those numbers.

Think its more the fact having more campaigns has diluted the population in the sewers heaps. On ps4, it doesnt matter what campaign, they are all empty in the sewers

No I understand the "problem", but I've been lurking in these forums for the better part of two years and everytime a pve'r complains about wanting to experience the many many many quests in cyrodiil and ask for a pve cyrodiil they are told to just go to one of the buff campaigns.

Now that that is exactly what they are doing, the bloodthirsty gankers are up in arms because there aren't enough noobs to gank? I pvp all the time in kyne, but I have no issue with players who just want to experience cyrodiil without getting constantly ganked. I'd rather engage with someone who wants competition rather than have tons of folks taking up valuable slots who aren't interested.

I thought PvP was about competition, or is it just about easy kills?
edit- and just for clarification, I myself am a bloodthirsty ganker, with 8 NB's dedicated to low level pvp, but I have no interest in players who are only interested in questing in peace.

Mettaricana

Just need a new system outside of ap to stop emp trading and alliances between colors

eso_nya

Ask for more incentives for PvErs to go into the PvP zones. -> Add PvP Zone w/ skyshards, lorebooks, quests, dailies and some farmworthy currency. -> Yay! Cannonfodder comes to the ganklands. -> Rewards r tempting. -> Cannonfodder dislikes dying to gankers. -> Brings friends. -> Friends see nice loot and tell more friends. -> Gankers start crying that Cannonfodder is zerging.
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Kinda looks like ppl created their own pve-version of cyrodiil.

Aliyavana

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

It keeps the PvE players out of cyrodil so they don't waste a slot so I dont see the complaint?

Bhaal5 wrote: »

In the end, it is a player vs player environment. Treat it as such, it should not be diluted because in anyway. Competition is great and its the "thrill" of not knowing whats around the corner.

Or should the allow dueling in trials or make dungeons a free for all where your damage is done everything, group members included?

Ganker vs player who won't fight back and has to play horse simulator again for 20 minutes to get back to the same quest hub he was ganked at. Riding around cyrodil is a huge pain especially if your not maxed in horse training and no one enjoys that.

Your damage to everyone in a dungeon would make a nightmare to balance and is a horrible suggestion but dueling in trials while waiting on everyone to port is fun consented pvp

Skander

You should pve in a campaign, BECOUSE YOU DESERVED IT. Becouse you fought hard for it, since is CYRODILL, not a pve region.

Juhasow

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

By contesting You mean slaying PvE players ?

If that would be just PvP map then they wouldnt add quests there. Cyrodill is PvP map but with optional PvE and questing. Whole IC is based more around PvE then PvP.

I strongly doubt that after cutting number of campaigns all that people who populated campaigns on picture You posted , would go on 1 campaign to fight other players. Most of them would just drop entering Cyrodill because atm fighting there agaisnt zergs in 1 place with constant lag is not enjoyable at all.

Skander

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

By contesting You mean slaying PvE players ?

If that would be just PvP map then they wouldnt add quests there. Cyrodill is PvP map but with optional PvE and questing. Whole IC is based more around PvE then PvP.

I strongly doubt that after cutting number of campaigns all that people who populated campaigns on picture You posted , would go on 1 campaign to fight other players. Most of them would just drop entering Cyrodill because atm fighting there agaisnt zergs in 1 place with constant lag is not enjoyable at all.

So you are telling me that soo many campaigns like this where pvp and map contesting is totally none is better, making the few populated campaigns to be a lagfest. Instead of a balance pop and fun for everyone. Let me say a thing. I don't go on a trial with a pvp set. YOU DON'T GET IN CYRODILL FOR PVE

Sevn

Skander wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

By contesting You mean slaying PvE players ?

If that would be just PvP map then they wouldnt add quests there. Cyrodill is PvP map but with optional PvE and questing. Whole IC is based more around PvE then PvP.

I strongly doubt that after cutting number of campaigns all that people who populated campaigns on picture You posted , would go on 1 campaign to fight other players. Most of them would just drop entering Cyrodill because atm fighting there agaisnt zergs in 1 place with constant lag is not enjoyable at all.

So you are telling me that soo many campaigns like this where pvp and map contesting is totally none is better, making the few populated campaigns to be a lagfest. Instead of a balance pop and fun for everyone. Let me say a thing. I don't go on a trial with a pvp set. YOU DON'T GET IN CYRODILL FOR PVE

Small question about your last sentence, if it were true, why is there tons of quests in cyrodiil? Surely they are there for a reason, no?

generalmyrick

waitwhat wrote: »

Great. Each alliance's PvE population gets to quest in peace.

What's Vivec and Sotha Sil's population like?

ALMOST,

the slimeballs of other factions come gank anyway...so...

Demycilian

Skander wrote: »

Just sayin

This is too awesome for words. The ESO players have cast their vote.

Bhaal5

aliyavana wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

On you all pve butthurt players. IT'S PVP. NOT PVE. It should be contested. it isn't.

20+ groups running on empty campaigns farming. That's just disgusting when the Sotha and Vivech are a zergfest with ton of lag

It keeps the PvE players out of cyrodil so they don't waste a slot so I dont see the complaint?

Bhaal5 wrote: »

In the end, it is a player vs player environment. Treat it as such, it should not be diluted because in anyway. Competition is great and its the "thrill" of not knowing whats around the corner.

Or should the allow dueling in trials or make dungeons a free for all where your damage is done everything, group members included?

Ganker vs player who won't fight back and has to play horse simulator again for 20 minutes to get back to the same quest hub he was ganked at. Riding around cyrodil is a huge pain especially if your not maxed in horse training and no one enjoys that.

Your damage to everyone in a dungeon would make a nightmare to balance and is a horrible suggestion but dueling in trials while waiting on everyone to port is fun consented pvp

Turning pvp into pve is horrible idea as well and thats the point here, leave it for what it is "player vs player" zone. Again its simple, if you dont like pvp... Just adapt like all pvp players have to when they goes do trials and dungeons. Craft some impenetrable armor and keep yourself alive