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SPC for my Healer and what do you think about this?

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Texecutioner187
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I'm going to be running SPC for my healer and I'm still deciding what other set. What are your guys thoughts about Combat Physician? Ideally I'd like a purchasable/craftable set but I don't really see how Kagrenacs is helpful...

I know Combat Physician isn't purchasable/craftable, but it still seems decent as a supplement to heals and easy to farm.
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    Combat Phy sounds good, but it only effects one person at a time with a 6 sec cd. Not worth it. In a trials envrioment you want a set that complements the team better. Worm cult/Mending and stuff like that. But for crafting sets kagh is good enough till you get those trials sets.
  • Texecutioner187
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    Sunah wrote: »
    Combat Phy sounds good, but it only effects one person at a time with a 6 sec cd. Not worth it. In a trials envrioment you want a set that complements the team better. Worm cult/Mending and stuff like that. But for crafting sets kagh is good enough till you get those trials sets.

    So for vet content, SPC and Kags is viable? I feel like there are other ones that would work better.... yay nay?
  • Sunah
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    @jgruberman Oh yeah, spc and kag is definitely trial viable. Especially the craglorn ones. I doubt anyone would take you for vHoF but anything else is ezpz man. I know because I did it, (RNG hates me). It really boils down to what skills you run and how well you play your class. Knowing when to heal and when to buff and anticipating when damage comes in.
  • Texecutioner187
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    Sunah wrote: »
    @jgruberman Oh yeah, spc and kag is definitely trial viable. Especially the craglorn ones. I doubt anyone would take you for vHoF but anything else is ezpz man. I know because I did it, (RNG hates me). It really boils down to what skills you run and how well you play your class. Knowing when to heal and when to buff and anticipating when damage comes in.

    I have probably done healing the least(but I have done it), and I would be curious if you know of any particular guide or YouTube video or something or website that is considered a "Guide to Healing" so I can learn how you described of when to heal, buff, anticipate damage, etc
  • Sunah
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    @jgruberman

    Hey sorry for delay im at work. Um I saw this one post a few months ago that was like a over all guide to healing for both beginners and veteran players. Was really helpful and i agreed to about 90% of it.. Let me try to locate it.
    Edited by Sunah on September 3, 2017 5:08PM
  • Sunah
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    Here it is! Took a bit to find it.

    http://elderscrubsonline.com/

    Don't follow it 100%, just read through the reasoning's and get a very good grasp on why they are doing the things they are doing and build off your own.
    Edited by Sunah on September 3, 2017 5:01PM
  • WhoSlappedThePie
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    Depends what you're doing. For trials I wouldn't let you heal without SPC & worm/mending unfortunately. Just go farm worm it's easy enough and hopefully the other healer will have mending.
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    Sunah wrote: »
    @jgruberman

    Here it is! Took a bit to find it.

    http://elderscrubsonline.com/

    Don't follow it 100%, just read through the reasoning's and get a very good grasp on why they are doing the things they are doing and build off your own.
    Ty, and bookmarked.
    love the recaps, +80K damage is a bit hard to heal trough :)


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  • LadyNalcarya
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    Combat physician isnt really worth it. The shield is very small, and the cooldown kinda kills it.
    There are some "meta" sets that are often combined with spc: Worm Cult, Mending, in some situations sets like Twilight remedy or Master Architect are pretty good as well.
    But if you dont wanna bother with farming, you can just take purple spc jewelry+2 armor pieces and add a crafted set like Seducer, if you want more sustain or Julianos for stronger heals and higher offensive stats. Also a monster shoulder with max magicka, spell damage or recovery. That will be a very solid setup, and not very hard to get, plus you can craft it in any style. :)
    zaria wrote: »
    Sunah wrote: »
    @jgruberman

    Here it is! Took a bit to find it.

    http://elderscrubsonline.com/

    Don't follow it 100%, just read through the reasoning's and get a very good grasp on why they are doing the things they are doing and build off your own.
    Ty, and bookmarked.
    love the recaps, +80K damage is a bit hard to heal trough :)


    Dont always trust the default death recap, though. It shows DoT damage as a single hit, thats why you can see insane numbers like 200k or more if you die to Planar Inhobitor's fire DoT, even if the tick that killed you was around 4k or something.

    Edited by LadyNalcarya on September 4, 2017 1:52AM
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  • Texecutioner187
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    I was able to farm Sanctuary today actually. I have a few off traits but I have 5 sanctuary, 5 SPC and 1 troll king
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    I was able to farm Sanctuary today actually. I have a few off traits but I have 5 sanctuary, 5 SPC and 1 troll king

    Thats a pretty decent choice. :)
    However if you have other monster pieces, I'd suggest something with max magicka or regen, or even spell damage. 2% healing done is a very weak bonus and you'd be overhealing anyway.
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  • Texecutioner187
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    LadyNalcarya wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    I was able to farm Sanctuary today actually. I have a few off traits but I have 5 sanctuary, 5 SPC and 1 troll king

    Thats a pretty decent choice. :)
    However if you have other monster pieces, I'd suggest something with max magicka or regen, or even spell damage. 2% healing done is a very weak bonus and you'd be overhealing anyway.

    I'm glad you said that and someone agreed... I was on the fence about that myself :smile:
  • Dubhliam
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    Sunah wrote: »
    @jgruberman Oh yeah, spc and kag is definitely trial viable. Especially the craglorn ones. I doubt anyone would take you for vHoF but anything else is ezpz man. I know because I did it, (RNG hates me). It really boils down to what skills you run and how well you play your class. Knowing when to heal and when to buff and anticipating when damage comes in.

    I have probably done healing the least(but I have done it), and I would be curious if you know of any particular guide or YouTube video or something or website that is considered a "Guide to Healing" so I can learn how you described of when to heal, buff, anticipate damage, etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJNWjYzKVU
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  • Texecutioner187
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    What about Worm Cult and Sanctuary? Honestly, I just don't see a huge thing with SPC... plus with that combo, you'll have blue and green balls floating around :lol:
  • Texecutioner187
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    What do you think about that combo @LadyNalcarya?
  • Taleof2Cities
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    SPC is the base set for most Trial healers, @jgruberman ... that's the standard that most 12-player groups ask for.

    Farming White Gold Tower can be a pain depending on your luck getting the right gear pieces out of that place ... so just be patient and don't forget to spend key shards on the vault for additional chances on SPC drops.

    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    By the way, FYI, it is a good utility set for PvP as well ... my dedicated healer runs 5 SPC, 5 Kagrenacs, and 1 Iceheart (along with precise weapons) to boost crit heals.

    Edited by Taleof2Cities on September 5, 2017 3:47PM
  • Texecutioner187
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    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?
  • Taleof2Cities
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly[/quote]
  • Texecutioner187
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    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Okay. I haven't done either of those vet yet, but that's good to know. I actually am running 5 SPC and 5 Sancturary now with good traits having finished my SPC farming yesterday. I was just exploring possibilities of different sets. I like the idea of magicka reduction, so thats why I asked about switching out Worm for SPC.
    Edited by Texecutioner187 on September 5, 2017 4:25PM
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    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

    Sanctuary is not a bad set and is perfectly acceptable to run in Vet Trials, it won't make or break you or the run. In stack and burn situations it can be really nice, everyone is close and gets some nice extra heals. Are there better set? Sure. Will it make you fail in Vet Trials? No.

    EDIT:
    Also cause I miss read a bit, I would still combine it with SPC, but the set it self, Sanctuary is not bad. SPC is still BIS
    Edited by paulsimonps on September 5, 2017 4:42PM
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  • Texecutioner187
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    paulsimonps wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

    Sanctuary is not a bad set and is perfectly acceptable to run in Vet Trials, it won't make or break you or the run. In stack and burn situations it can be really nice, everyone is close and gets some nice extra heals. Are there better set? Sure. Will it make you fail in Vet Trials? No.

    Yeah. I was more looking for confirmation that I can run dungeons and pledges with Worm and Sanctuary. I'm sure I'll be asking a whole new set of questions when I decide to start trials lol. However, my primary char is a pet build sorc so I'll be a little better off with that hopefully doing trials for the first time.
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    paulsimonps wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

    Sanctuary is not a bad set and is perfectly acceptable to run in Vet Trials, it won't make or break you or the run. In stack and burn situations it can be really nice, everyone is close and gets some nice extra heals. Are there better set? Sure. Will it make you fail in Vet Trials? No.

    Yeah. I was more looking for confirmation that I can run dungeons and pledges with Worm and Sanctuary. I'm sure I'll be asking a whole new set of questions when I decide to start trials lol. However, my primary char is a pet build sorc so I'll be a little better off with that hopefully doing trials for the first time.

    Sure you can run that. Just make sure you got them active on both weapon bars. Sometimes it's hinky to fit in 2 constant 5pc set with a restoration staff. If you intend on running a monster set.
    If you can get it, I probably would've picked "Domihaus" as my 1pc monster set. Gives both stamina & magicka, stamina could help you out in dungeons or trials where you can block certain attacks. Or more stamina to dodge-roll out of stupid(red circles).
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  • Texecutioner187
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    Lieblingsjunge wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    paulsimonps wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

    Sanctuary is not a bad set and is perfectly acceptable to run in Vet Trials, it won't make or break you or the run. In stack and burn situations it can be really nice, everyone is close and gets some nice extra heals. Are there better set? Sure. Will it make you fail in Vet Trials? No.

    Yeah. I was more looking for confirmation that I can run dungeons and pledges with Worm and Sanctuary. I'm sure I'll be asking a whole new set of questions when I decide to start trials lol. However, my primary char is a pet build sorc so I'll be a little better off with that hopefully doing trials for the first time.

    Sure you can run that. Just make sure you got them active on both weapon bars. Sometimes it's hinky to fit in 2 constant 5pc set with a restoration staff. If you intend on running a monster set.
    If you can get it, I probably would've picked "Domihaus" as my 1pc monster set. Gives both stamina & magicka, stamina could help you out in dungeons or trials where you can block certain attacks. Or more stamina to dodge-roll out of stupid(red circles).

    I do have Domihaus Sturdy actually.. I'm guessing that will be better than running a magicka increase piece on divines, if anything because there's magicka and stam?
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    Lieblingsjunge wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    paulsimonps wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    jgruberman wrote: »
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    Sanctuary + Worm will work if you're not planning on doing end game content (works fine for normal Trials, vet 4-man dungeons, pledges, etc.).

    What other end game content is there other than what you said this set would work for? Are you referring to specifically vet trials?

    Yes, vet Trials and vet DSA.

    Don't forget it's DOUBLE key fragments this weekend in White Gold Tower:

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26175?Liberate-Cyrodiil-During-the-Imperial-City-Anniversary-Event-and-Earn-Bonus-Rewards!&utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

    Sanctuary is not a bad set and is perfectly acceptable to run in Vet Trials, it won't make or break you or the run. In stack and burn situations it can be really nice, everyone is close and gets some nice extra heals. Are there better set? Sure. Will it make you fail in Vet Trials? No.

    Yeah. I was more looking for confirmation that I can run dungeons and pledges with Worm and Sanctuary. I'm sure I'll be asking a whole new set of questions when I decide to start trials lol. However, my primary char is a pet build sorc so I'll be a little better off with that hopefully doing trials for the first time.

    Sure you can run that. Just make sure you got them active on both weapon bars. Sometimes it's hinky to fit in 2 constant 5pc set with a restoration staff. If you intend on running a monster set.
    If you can get it, I probably would've picked "Domihaus" as my 1pc monster set. Gives both stamina & magicka, stamina could help you out in dungeons or trials where you can block certain attacks. Or more stamina to dodge-roll out of stupid(red circles).

    I do have Domihaus Sturdy actually.. I'm guessing that will be better than running a magicka increase piece on divines, if anything because there's magicka and stam?

    I'm not good at numbers, so I'll just say what I think, but I would definitely run Domihaus. 2k stats > one piece of divines. Even 1k more max magicka(Which also increases your heals) > 1pc divines imo.
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    jgruberman wrote: »
    Sunah wrote: »
    Combat Phy sounds good, but it only effects one person at a time with a 6 sec cd. Not worth it. In a trials envrioment you want a set that complements the team better. Worm cult/Mending and stuff like that. But for crafting sets kagh is good enough till you get those trials sets.

    So for vet content, SPC and Kags is viable? I feel like there are other ones that would work better.... yay nay?

    For 4 man dungeons it's fine. Heck, I heal dungeons in my dps gear.

    Typically healers second sets are Worm, mending and sanctuary is good to have. Master rStaff is a big plus as well.

    Helps to had both worm and mending when running trials because one never knows what the other healer may have.
  • craftycarper73
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    I run spc, worm and 1 piece kena on my healer, it works really well for me. healing springs and mutagen main heals, and BoL for that oh crap moment, where possible standing in channeled focus thats my front bar pretty much.

    back bar, is a flame staff just to help out with a little bit of dps at the right moments, i use elemental drain, crushing shock, a shield, harness magicka or templar shield(cant think of name ) pulsar and jesus beam.

    some people may not like it but it works for me and the group i generally run with.
    Edited by craftycarper73 on September 5, 2017 5:14PM
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    Always remember. Never forget. Forever Manchester.
  • kylewwefan
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    I pug a lot. Sometimes as a healer. It's always SPC and something.

    I've never seen it advertised as any kind of healer set, but Hircines Veneer seems like it would fit in. Pugging, I see lots and lots of Stam DPS, so worm doesn't do much anything for them. In the same token, Hircines won't do anything for you either.

    You could also look into Healers habit. I think is almost same thing as sanctuary, but has bigger range.
  • Texecutioner187
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    I pug a lot. Sometimes as a healer. It's always SPC and something.

    I've never seen it advertised as any kind of healer set, but Hircines Veneer seems like it would fit in. Pugging, I see lots and lots of Stam DPS, so worm doesn't do much anything for them. In the same token, Hircines won't do anything for you either.

    You could also look into Healers habit. I think is almost same thing as sanctuary, but has bigger range.

    I actually use Hircine on my Warden bow healer.
  • Danksta
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    I pug a lot. Sometimes as a healer. It's always SPC and something.

    I've never seen it advertised as any kind of healer set, but Hircines Veneer seems like it would fit in. Pugging, I see lots and lots of Stam DPS, so worm doesn't do much anything for them. In the same token, Hircines won't do anything for you either.

    You could also look into Healers habit. I think is almost same thing as sanctuary, but has bigger range.

    I think most stam DPS aren't running much regen so boosting it by 10% is a very minimal boost, especially considering it'd be the only benefit to a healer running it.
    BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA

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    First PvE healer rule: Allways play what increases your allies damage done and sustain and decreases their damage taken, never play anything that increases your healing done or their healing taken.
    EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)
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