Whats your DPS parse on a DD magicka templar and what kind of builds youre using (HoTR)?

Bbsample197

I want a feedback on the community on whats the ideal DPS parse that a templar could acheive, ive seen alot of dps discussions on most classes but i have never or rarely seen templars,
as of right now im doing a horrible 17-20k dps on HoTR, while on morrowind im struggling to get to 25k dps, im using 5pc julianos and 5 pc mother sorrow since morrowind, ive changed it to 4 pc war maiden but ive hardly seen any increase on my dps. as of right now im experimeting on 3 sets:

1. infallibe aether
2. julianos
3. war maiden

julianos + IA seems good but im still lacking a 1 pc necklace of IA, so is war maiden + IA a good alternative or julianos + war maiden?
whats your dps parse on a templar and what kind of setup, rotations and build you're using? or are templars stuck on the healing duty?

Destruent

Mostly tanking atm, but combinations like julianos/aether, scathing mage/aether or scathing mage/julianos look promising imo. Monsterset (if possible) can be grothdar or 1 iceheart/1 slimecraw. Usually parsing between 30k and 35k atm

war maiden isn't good at all on templars, bc you only have like 30...40% magic damage which makes this set really bad in pve.

Blackbird_V

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

Caligamy_ESO

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

Destruent

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Blackbird_V

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

This thread is for Templars.....

Caligamy_ESO

oh whoops

*backs out of thread slowly*

Bbsample197

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Invoky

Barely past 30k self buff... used to be able to do 37-40k few patch ago. Every patch I keep doing less and less.

Running Grothdarr, 4x IA 3 jewlery + lighting staff, VMA fire staff, Julianos, and spell power mundue stone

Blackbird_V

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

You will lose DPS without monster helm. With moondancer sustain is absolutely fine. If you do have an issue a few heavy attacks in a rotation will be enough.

Maw just seems really good right now, since they buffed it. Also, summoned pets have the buffs you have.

Any monster summoned by an Item Set proc now inherits any bonuses you have. The most notable bonuses are damage done and healing done from passive abilities, Major/Minor buffs, or the Champion System.

So... yeah.

MakoFore

i dont know anymore. i went to bed morrowind doing 26k dps and woke up on horns of the reach day- barely cracking 20k dps. i too would like to know what the *** to do, how to sustain, and how to dps all over again. very frustrating having just farmed my magicka and stamina sets- in all the bis traits- and now having to do it all over again.

Blackbird_V

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Fixed link. And Torugs 2 piece is not justifiable at all vs monster helm. Skoria does average of 1.4k DPS and Ilambris 1.2k DPS (procs burning and off-balance/concussion more though).

Bbsample197

Destruent wrote: »

Mostly tanking atm, but combinations like julianos/aether, scathing mage/aether or scathing mage/julianos look promising imo. Monsterset (if possible) can be grothdar or 1 iceheart/1 slimecraw. Usually parsing between 30k and 35k atm

war maiden isn't good at all on templars, bc you only have like 30...40% magic damage which makes this set really bad in pve.

ive tried scathing mage but I hardly proc the 5 pc bonus set on it, ye war maiden is good on paper but now that i think about it only puncturing sweeps, radiant and purfying light (sometimes ritual) are the only skills on my load out that actually benefit from it

Any monster summoned by an Item Set proc now inherits any bonuses you have. The most notable bonuses are damage done and healing done from passive abilities, Major/Minor buffs, or the Champion System.

So... yeah.[/quote]

I didnt know about this o.o, I think i've some pcs of maw, will try it once servers are back

Destruent

Bbsample197 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Mostly tanking atm, but combinations like julianos/aether, scathing mage/aether or scathing mage/julianos look promising imo. Monsterset (if possible) can be grothdar or 1 iceheart/1 slimecraw. Usually parsing between 30k and 35k atm

war maiden isn't good at all on templars, bc you only have like 30...40% magic damage which makes this set really bad in pve.

ive tried scathing mage but I hardly proc the 5 pc bonus set on it, ye war maiden is good on paper but now that i think about it only puncturing sweeps, radiant and purfying light (sometimes ritual) are the only skills on my load out that actually benefit from it

The final tick of Purifying Light only scales with your maxMagicka, so only sweeps, blazing spear, burning light and radiant (+ first tick of purifying which doesn't do that much dmg anyways) get buffed by war maiden.

Bbsample197

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Fixed link. And Torugs 2 piece is not justifiable at all vs monster helm. Skoria does average of 1.4k DPS and Ilambris 1.2k DPS (procs burning and off-balance/concussion more though).

sweet will try you second build to pull me through some trials , hows your dps on the second one though?

Blackbird_V

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Fixed link. And Torugs 2 piece is not justifiable at all vs monster helm. Skoria does average of 1.4k DPS and Ilambris 1.2k DPS (procs burning and off-balance/concussion more though).

sweet will try you second build to pull me through some trials , hows your dps on the second one though?

30k unbuffed and about 36kish raid buffed. If ya don't have maelstrom for 2nd build use a Julianos Ninrhoned/Sharpened/Precise stave for the backbar.

NiclasFridholm

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Safe to say that Julio will be the base. Waiting for patch notes regarding IA before I decide what to par it with.
I have had my highest parses with Nirn mainhand (Shock-ench) and infused offhand (SD-ench) since the offhand is up 100% with weave anyways. With Nirn mainhand shadow actually wins in the mundusrace when I tested.
Maiden is a outsider if they decide to fix Sweeps/Radiant...

Destruent

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Safe to say that Julio will be the base. Waiting for patch notes regarding IA before I decide what to par it with.
I have had my highest parses with Nirn mainhand (Shock-ench) and infused offhand (SD-ench) since the offhand is up 100% with weave anyways. With Nirn mainhand shadow actually wins in the mundusrace when I tested.
Maiden is a outsider if they decide to fix Sweeps/Radiant...

Really shadow? i tested shadow yesterday and i had higher crits when i swapped to apprentice. But using Destro/destro with infused on mainbar/nirn offbar atm.

NiclasFridholm

Yeah, if you are at 60% crit and have enough SD I had higher parses with shadow. If SD is low then shadow will lose... But hey, maybe they fix us today! Lol

Bladefyr

DW magplar running 5 War Maiden + 5 Julianos/Master Architect + 2 Grothdarr. and Thief Mundus. Hitting 30-33K on the target skele.

After trying many gear combinations and testing all the relevant Mundus stones, my best output comes from The Thief.

BurtFreeman

i'm still using 5 kulianos + 5 mother's sorrow, with 72% crit (with inner light) and 2500 damage (i use spell damage glyph and apprentice mundus). it's a bit low on regen, so heavy attack is nedeed currentely.
unfortunately i'm not the best in rotation and i don't know how to see my current dps.

Bbsample197

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Fixed link. And Torugs 2 piece is not justifiable at all vs monster helm. Skoria does average of 1.4k DPS and Ilambris 1.2k DPS (procs burning and off-balance/concussion more though).

sweet will try you second build to pull me through some trials , hows your dps on the second one though?

30k unbuffed and about 36kish raid buffed. If ya don't have maelstrom for 2nd build use a Julianos Ninrhoned/Sharpened/Precise stave for the backbar.

may i ask what kind of rotation youre using just so i could get the better feel to it

derpmander

My magplar runs spc and worm.
I parse 50k hps and 100% combat prayer.

Blackbird_V

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

BlackbirdV wrote: »

33 unbuffed 42k buffed. Using Moondancer, Sorrow & Ilambris/Skoria. It's a raid build so it requires actual raid buffs + synergies (for build #1)


Build #1 My Current Build. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23159


Build #2 Here's a Cheaper Alternative: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=23001 - This one is not heavily reliant on raid buffs..

Not raiding = switch for Lover Stone.

Maw of the infernal is actually strong this patch, so use it if you have it.

i see gotta try your set if I come across a moondancer sword and jewelries xD, i hardly find any group trying MoL, regarding monster set, so maw of infernal is at the top as of right now?

does your sustain fine while dual wielding? i suppose because of moondancer

will I loose alot of dps if I didnt go for a monster set? was thinking of going for 5pc moondancer and 5pc mother sorrow with torugs pact as dual weild and a lightning staff front bar.

PS. The cheaper alternative link is broken for me :<

Fixed link. And Torugs 2 piece is not justifiable at all vs monster helm. Skoria does average of 1.4k DPS and Ilambris 1.2k DPS (procs burning and off-balance/concussion more though).

sweet will try you second build to pull me through some trials , hows your dps on the second one though?

30k unbuffed and about 36kish raid buffed. If ya don't have maelstrom for 2nd build use a Julianos Ninrhoned/Sharpened/Precise stave for the backbar.

may i ask what kind of rotation youre using just so i could get the better feel to it

Trap beast, LA, elemental blockade, LA, blazing spear, LA, WS, Purifying Light, LA, Vampires Bane/Reflective Light, LA, Sweeps, LA, sweeps, LA >-Repeat rotation

LA = Light Attack
WS = Weapon Swap (bar swap)

Bbsample197

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Safe to say that Julio will be the base. Waiting for patch notes regarding IA before I decide what to par it with.
I have had my highest parses with Nirn mainhand (Shock-ench) and infused offhand (SD-ench) since the offhand is up 100% with weave anyways. With Nirn mainhand shadow actually wins in the mundusrace when I tested.
Maiden is a outsider if they decide to fix Sweeps/Radiant...

so julianos will probably be BiS in most situation, how about IA + mother's sorrow, will it be viable enough?
since the shadow nerf ive changed to apprentice hows the damage difference between apprentice and shadow?

NiclasFridholm

Bbsample197 wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Destruent wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

roughly 26-28k solo single target dps
magicka sorc (altmer)

5x Julianos
5x Netch's touch
1x Molag Kena

Lover mundus, double sharpened lightning staves with shock enchant on front bar, magicka absorb enchant on backbar. All divines gear with 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy (for Undaunted mettle II passive.)

nice templar-build

may as well summon @NiclasFridholm to join this discussion

Safe to say that Julio will be the base. Waiting for patch notes regarding IA before I decide what to par it with.
I have had my highest parses with Nirn mainhand (Shock-ench) and infused offhand (SD-ench) since the offhand is up 100% with weave anyways. With Nirn mainhand shadow actually wins in the mundusrace when I tested.
Maiden is a outsider if they decide to fix Sweeps/Radiant...

so julianos will probably be BiS in most situation, how about IA + mother's sorrow, will it be viable enough?
since the shadow nerf ive changed to apprentice hows the damage difference between apprentice and shadow?

Like I said, gonna wait for patch notes concerning IA. And shadow is only viable if you make a DW build with Nirn on mainhand. Otherwise Apprentice/Thief depending on what sets you use.

danno8

Using an easy-to-get setup of:
5*Julianos
5*Spinners
2*Slimecraw or Grothdar or anything else with a good offensive 1st and 2nd bonus

with Apprentice Mundus for SD (tried thief and lover too, apprentice gave the best results)

In Homestead I would reach 33k 100% solo
Morrowind this setup dipped to 30-31k
Now (5.4) I can just barely break the 30k mark.

Switching to staff (5-5-1 setup) nets nearly the same results.

Cue2112

What race are you guys running ?

danno8

Cue2112 wrote: »

What race are you guys running ?

Breton for myself.

SisterGoat

I am going to try Julianos + Sorrrow + Lover's Stone, with health/magicka drink and see how that works. Not sure what helm, maybe Slimecraw to get ridiculous amounts of crit.

Grabmoore

I'm testing each day currently and @BlackbirdV suggested me to try maw of the infernal set, too.

However it did not perform too well for me with only 1.5k dps (counting his fire and both attacks).

I had my best parse with 5 julianos(body)/ 5 spinner/ 2 grothdar with apprentice mundus. 5/1/1 duel wield front(precise infused) plus lightning infused backbar. I got 32.6k selfbuffed, ob an argonian. BiS should be higher.


All in all I can only say that our dps is mediocre this patch. That's nothing new though....


Not perfect rotation and purple spinners.

EDI: added screenshot