Master Merchant Evil Trade?

Khatou

Hi, am I the only one who thinks that MM is an evil for the game trade?

I would think that people should be able to sell their product without being influenced by an addon and should be able to rely on what it sells around their merchant rather than being dictated by this far too omnipresent addon !

MrGarlic

No. It takes a lot of the guesswork out of guessing what an item might be worth.

Saves me the time I would otherwise spend searching and comparing the item I want to sell.

The trade system on ESO is very basic and lacking in functionality and visibility so MM helps tremendously.

I for one welcome Philgo as my MM overlord.

Magdalina

Khatou wrote: »

Hi, am I the only one who thinks that MM is an evil for the game trade?

I would think that people should be able to sell their product without being influenced by an addon and should be able to rely on what it sells around their merchant rather than being dictated by this far too omnipresent addon !

But this is exactly what MM is doing. It's tracking the sales of things in your guild's(guilds') guildstore(s). Or would you prefer to manually search for every thing you want to sell and update it daily to track actual sales manually?

WaltherCarraway

Alternative is called TTC, more user friendly.

Tavore1138

MM only takes data from guilds you are in so it really just shotcuts you from reading back through the guild sales list of your own guilds.

I think you are thinking of the other addon that collates data from multiple users?

Khatou

Except that people this base not on a guild to have a result but the MM pros joins several guilds to have a total total of sales what I find makes the price of the object far too random, for my part I prefer to see How much is the article in the area where the merchant of my guild is located.

Magdalina

Khatou wrote: »

Except that people this base not on a guild to have a result but the MM pros joins several guilds to have a total total of sales what I find makes the price of the object far too random, for my part I prefer to see How much is the article in the area where the merchant of my guild is located.

Umm no. If "MM pros" join several guilds then THEIR MM will be giving them sales from the guilds they joined alright but YOUR MM will only ever be giving you sales from your guild(s). That's why you can often see very different MM pricings from different people - different guilds, different sales. Use your own MM and it will literally do exactly what you're complaining it's not doing - it will track sales in your, and only your, guilds so you have an idea as for what stuff sells for at your guilds' traders, not someone else's.

Khatou

Magdalina wrote: »

Khatou wrote: »

Except that people this base not on a guild to have a result but the MM pros joins several guilds to have a total total of sales what I find makes the price of the object far too random, for my part I prefer to see How much is the article in the area where the merchant of my guild is located.

Umm no. If "MM pros" join several guilds then THEIR MM will be giving them sales from the guilds they joined alright but YOUR MM will only ever be giving you sales from your guild(s). That's why you can often see very different MM pricings from different people - different guilds, different sales. Use your own MM and it will literally do exactly what you're complaining it's not doing - it will track sales in your, and only your, guilds so you have an idea as for what stuff sells for at your guilds' traders, not someone else's.

I do not complain about what he is not doing, but about his influence in the gambling trade

kargen27

Master Merchant helps the casual players save time. The players that really concentrate on the buying/selling aspect of the game still can only be in five guilds. They go to multiple vendors beyond the guilds they are in and check prices. They do this while looking for bargains. It is the part of the game they enjoy so they put a lot of time into it. Without Master Merchant they would still know what they can expect their items to sell for.
Master Merchant makes things a little more balanced my allowing those of us that don't spend a lot of time trading know an approximate price for our goods.
If your not in a trade guild usually you can still ask for a price check in zone chat and get a couple of responses.

victoriana-blue

Khatou wrote: »

Hi, am I the only one who thinks that MM is an evil for the game trade?

I would think that people should be able to sell their product without being influenced by an addon and should be able to rely on what it sells around their merchant rather than being dictated by this far too omnipresent addon !

So people talk others into thinking something is a good deal? In that case I have some dwemer motifs for you, just 10 000g/piece.

LadyNalcarya

Its not good or evil. Its just a tool.
Imo it makes buying and selling goods very convenient. I'm not reselling anything, but I want to sell my loot for a fair price, and I dont wanna buy overpriced stuff.
Of course, its not 100% accurate, especially when it comes to nerfed sets like Mothers Sorrow, but it helps.

Yarlenzey

I try not to run it now as:

• It seriously affects how well my potato will cope with ESO.
• I believe that the results are 'massaged' - to use a polite term.

The game needs to incorporate this functionality; not rely on a 3rd party addon.

LadyDestiny

Come to console if you want basic. We don't get ****.

Mitrenga

Master Merchant and AwesomeGuildStore combined save me a lot of time, big thanks to the authors of these addons.
In the past when I have no knowledge of these two, I was reading store histories and sure a made a lot of bad sales/loss.
Now I have the MM info of 4 trade guilds constantly, I can see whats the max and min sales prices of the particular item; not only the avarage price.
Once you learn how to use it, MM is a great tool.

Caine_Carver

The problem is not the data provided by MM. It is the lack of basic economic knowledge of the people using it. The are greedy and do not care or grasp the concept that each time they undercut the average to get that fast sale they force prices down.

LadyNalcarya

Yarlenzey wrote: »

I try not to run it now as:

• It seriously affects how well my potato will cope with ESO.
  
• I believe that the results are 'massaged' - to use a polite term.

The game needs to incorporate this functionality; not rely on a 3rd party addon.

There are people who manipulate the market, but MM merely collects the data. It doesnt tamper with prices.

Rohamad_Ali

No it's not . And you can still sell your items at what ever ridiculous prices you want . It just means informed people won't waste their money as often .

Khatou

Mitrenga wrote: »

Master Merchant and AwesomeGuildStore combined save me a lot of time, big thanks to the authors of these addons.

win time? You prefer to save time rather than money? It is very funny: D

Mureel

Khatou wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Khatou wrote: »

Except that people this base not on a guild to have a result but the MM pros joins several guilds to have a total total of sales what I find makes the price of the object far too random, for my part I prefer to see How much is the article in the area where the merchant of my guild is located.

Umm no. If "MM pros" join several guilds then THEIR MM will be giving them sales from the guilds they joined alright but YOUR MM will only ever be giving you sales from your guild(s). That's why you can often see very different MM pricings from different people - different guilds, different sales. Use your own MM and it will literally do exactly what you're complaining it's not doing - it will track sales in your, and only your, guilds so you have an idea as for what stuff sells for at your guilds' traders, not someone else's.

I do not complain about what he is not doing, but about his influence in the gambling trade

Mitrenga

Khatou wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

Master Merchant and AwesomeGuildStore combined save me a lot of time, big thanks to the authors of these addons.

win time? You prefer to save time rather than money? It is very funny: D

Well, i guess I'm saving both when looking at my bank.

bloodthirstyvampire

An addon is more like a crutch , if you lost your crutch you Wouldn't be able walk, you Wouldn't now what ot do, like a lost little lamb you rely on addons too much

LadyNalcarya

Khatou wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

Master Merchant and AwesomeGuildStore combined save me a lot of time, big thanks to the authors of these addons.

win time? You prefer to save time rather than money? It is very funny: D

Ehh it actually helps to save money.
But hey, I can sell you those tempering alloys for 50k per piece. Who cares about average price, dont be average, buy from me!

Khenarthi

My thoughts reading this thread:

1. MM has helped me not getting ripped off in sales, so I like it.
2. Gambling trade?! What?
3. Time is important, money is important, virtual gold is a bit less important but I'd rather not squander mine.
4. New mobile version of the forum still sucks and messes up my phone.

Lamiai

Khatou wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

Master Merchant and AwesomeGuildStore combined save me a lot of time, big thanks to the authors of these addons.

win time? You prefer to save time rather than money? It is very funny: D

-__________________________- Time is more important than money. plus both these addons save you money as well..

zaria

Caine_Carver wrote: »

The problem is not the data provided by MM. It is the lack of basic economic knowledge of the people using it. The are greedy and do not care or grasp the concept that each time they undercut the average to get that fast sale they force prices down.

Don't see the greed in selling low, You have 30 sale slots, you need to keep items moving out to free up slots.
Add that new items like Morrowind stuff will fall in price making it smart to sell it fast.

Generally i tend to sell cheap stuff cheap as I need to move it fast or sell to npc, expensive stuff with lasting value I want to get most out off.

Saucy_Jack

It's not how long your sales log is; it's how you use it that counts.

code65536

Translation: Waaah, it's harder to take advantage of buyers when pricing information is easier to get.

Prices can still trend down or up despite the existence of MM and TTC information, and supply and demand ultimately controls the price, not data from an addon. People blame MM/TTC for "undercutting" but forget that undercutting only works when there is enough supply sloshing around to undercut with--if there is not enough supply, I can price my item higher than the "average" and it'll still sell simply because those low-priced items are sold out quickly and aren't available for most people to buy. Similarly, when there are sudden spikes in demand (e.g., Mother's Sorrow after PTS patch notes), people are not "gouging"--they are simply reacting to the realities of the new demand.

What MM and TTC does, if people can properly interpret their data, is help provide some rough pricing guideline. Not all sellers interpret them properly, not all buyers interpret them properly, but it's nevertheless much better than going in completely blind.

Magdalina

Khatou wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Khatou wrote: »

Except that people this base not on a guild to have a result but the MM pros joins several guilds to have a total total of sales what I find makes the price of the object far too random, for my part I prefer to see How much is the article in the area where the merchant of my guild is located.

Umm no. If "MM pros" join several guilds then THEIR MM will be giving them sales from the guilds they joined alright but YOUR MM will only ever be giving you sales from your guild(s). That's why you can often see very different MM pricings from different people - different guilds, different sales. Use your own MM and it will literally do exactly what you're complaining it's not doing - it will track sales in your, and only your, guilds so you have an idea as for what stuff sells for at your guilds' traders, not someone else's.

I do not complain about what he is not doing, but about his influence in the gambling trade

What on Tamriel is "gambling trade"?o.o

Also, I feel we're missing something here. In your first message you literally said

Khatou wrote: »

people should be able to rely on what it sells around their merchant

Exact quote. As I and multiple others have pointed out, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT MM DOES. It lets people reliably sell things for what they sell for at their vendor. That's it. It does not, and cannot, give you the data of some mysterious "MM pros"(unless you ask for someone else's MM. In which case, you know, you asked). It can only track the sales made at your guildstore.

Narvuntien

Well I haven't used MM since horns the reach it doesn't seem to have been updated .. I downloaded TTC :P
Since I am only in the one, medium, trade guild it seems better for me since I have no way of knowing the price of random gear with just MM (mats is fine but not gear). Yeah I know it tracks listings not sales (and large trade guilds seem to be listing things for huge amounts) It tends to give me enough information to work out how much things are worth. super wierd getting whispers for people wanting to buy "junk" I list on my non trade guild stores though.

I really do miss being able to track how much I have sold through my guildstores for the week though since I use that to gauge how much I should donate. I hope they put that into the base game.

Magdalina

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

An addon is more like a crutch , if you lost your crutch you Wouldn't be able walk, you Wouldn't now what ot do, like a lost little lamb you rely on addons too much

In this case it's less of a crutch and more of a car. Sure walking is great and excessive reliance on a car is bad, but would you really choose to walk ~30 km to and from work daily rather than ride them on car? I don't think so.

MehrunesFlagon

this is why you try to get as many as possible to try to find a price it will most likely sell for rather quickly.