Definition of "Cancer Build"

Savos_Saren

So, I was hanging out in Rawl'ka, dueling random opponents. I fought an unkillable StamDK (we ended up forfeiting), a MagPlar (they won), a MagSorc (I won), and then a different MagSorc (they won). In the times that I lost- I got the opponent's health down pretty low... but eventually they won. (damn you lucky people with executes)

Most people were good sports about the duels... except the last MagSorc that I fought. Even though he/she won... they called me a "cancer build". I think this term gets thrown around waaaaaay too often and some people don't actually know what it means.

I was on my mDK using 5 Leeching, 5 Bahraha, and 2 Valkyn.

To me, it seems like people think the term means:

Cancer Build: (adjective) A player who's hard to kill. Or, alternately, a player who kills you.

More appropriately, it could be called:

Cancer Build: (adjective) A player who's using an effective build in PVP for their race/class. AKA "Best in Slot" or "Meta".

What's your definition of a "Cancer Build"?

dpencil1

Basically it means builds that prevent other players from approaching a fight "normally." Pet builds, super tank builds, proc-stacking builds. They all put the opponent in a position to adjust their approach beyond what is considered normal adjustment. They see these builds as "cancerous" because they supposedly discourage or disincentivize skillful and fair play.

Savos_Saren

dpencil1 wrote: »

Basically it means builds that prevent other players from approaching a fight "normally." Pet builds, super tank builds, proc-stacking builds. They all put the opponent in a position to adjust their approach beyond what is considered normal adjustment. They see these builds as "cancerous" because they supposedly discourage or disincentivize skillful and fair play.

Funny. The sorc that complained was using Engine Guardian. That pet kept getting in the way. (But I ain't mad.)

So, a "cancer build" is a tank being tanky and a rogue being ganky...

paulsimonps

Before I changed to what I do not in PvP I used to be a super tanky DK in cyro that used Swarm Mother, Unrelenting grip, reflects and other to CC and debuff the crap out of zerglings and get them in a position to be killed by the others around me. I could never kill anyone 1v1 but I was still called cancer by a lot of people. I was hard to kill and put people in a position to be easily killed. Pulling people out of or into breaches in keep walls was a bit thing, they would be dragged to a spot where they could not be rezzed and would most likely get immediately killed by Oils, Ballistas and AoEs. For some it was apparently cancer, but to others it was not. Its all subjective and everyone thinks differently. I mean to some almost every type of build is cancer and to some almost nothing is.

For me, I have a build I like but I also know its weaknesses, I don't get angry when I get killed, I can get frustrated when I almost won but lose but that is the case for everyone I think, its a natural reaction. But spouting hate and bile every time you lose and calling people cancer and stuff is a bit over the top.

buttaface

"Cancer Build" means "I am to the left of the intelligence bell curve." Same as using fanboi terms like "meta," "overperforming," "BIS," etc. Ever since WOW, there is a lingo that dumb people who take video games a bit too seriously use to try to sound knowledgeable... about video games that aren't particularly competitive. "Cancer build" is part of that "People of Walmart" mentality.

Malic

buttaface wrote: »

"Cancer Build" means "I am to the left of the intelligence bell curve." Same as using fanboi terms like "meta," "overperforming," "BIS," etc. Ever since WOW, there is a lingo that dumb people who take video games a bit too seriously use to try to sound knowledgeable... about video games that aren't particularly competitive. "Cancer build" is part of that "People of Walmart" mentality.

You heard it here first folks, from "Buttaface"

WuffyCerulei

A cancer build to me is a build that requires little to no skill to use, like Viper/Selene/Velidreth/Red Mountain.

Gargath

Selene, I witnessed a duel yesterday around Dhalmora Wayshrine, after a short skillful fight a guy was destroyed by single Selene's proc when he had still ~75% hp. I'm sure he was shocked . But was it a cancer build? No, all people can have sets/abilities what they like and it's still only a game. Participating in a duel or other pvp you should be ready to die. Not offend others just because they are better - it's childish.

Anyway, if you died by proc sets, think that...

Ahzek

To me a "cancer" build is a build that is generally unfun to play against. May that be through overly effective defense or just uniteractive procc damage.
The issue here is when you take people into the equation that ONLY have fun when they win, so for those just about everything they loose to would be cancer...

aaisoaho

How I understand the term 'cancer build' - like a cancer, cancer build is:
1. Really hard to defeat (little to no counterplay)
2. Spreads fast (many players picks it up and uses, because who likes losing all the time)
3. Demoralises opponents and causes negative feelings when fought against (feels unfair)

paulsimonps

buttaface wrote: »

"Cancer Build" means "I am to the left of the intelligence bell curve." Same as using fanboi terms like "meta," "overperforming," "BIS," etc. Ever since WOW, there is a lingo that dumb people who take video games a bit too seriously use to try to sound knowledgeable... about video games that aren't particularly competitive. "Cancer build" is part of that "People of Walmart" mentality.

Judas Helviaryn

A cancer build is anything that requires more than the bare minimum of effort in either building or skill play to defeat.

Anything you can reliably compete and win with is going to be considered cancer by your target.

That's fine, dead people don't talk.

paulsimonps

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

A cancer build is anything that requires more than the bare minimum of effort in either building or skill play to defeat.

Anything you can reliably compete and win with is going to be considered cancer by your target.

That's fine, dead people don't talk.

Well actually most hate whispers you will get are from dead people

Tryxus

Cancer Build [kan-ser bild]

Noun

1. PvP.
a very tanky and hard to kill player, even with multiple allies, that can heal itself up even from near-death

2. Item Sets.
synonym for "Proctard"

3. Monster Helmet.
Tremorscale Pierce Armor spammers

4. PvP
players that just beat you.

From the Dictionary of ESO, chapter 11 page 8

Banana

You could also use that 60% skills cost increase poison. Great for making people angry.

LegendaryMage

I wish players would stop using this word to describe builds they're not happy with, we have people with cancer playing the game and I'm sure it's not (to say the least) nice for them to keep hearing this word getting thrown around like it's nothing.

Try and imagine yourself in their position. Having cancer in real life, wanting to relax a little bit and enjoy the game, take your mind off of that stuff and have a good time, only to find a bunch of players passively reminding you of your condition every day.

It's just sad because this is one of those things that will probably never change unless someone comes up with something more catchy to take over.

Betsararie

There are 2.

1) Stam DK perma blocking tank

2) Warden tank


Both do no damage and just stand their and take damage with their shields / healing / what have you. Not only cancerous, but downright shameful, IMO.

I do NOT consider procblades cancerous. They are simply taking advantage of a broken mechanic that works in their favor- nothing wrong with that. Even though utilizing procs does not take any skill whatsoever, good vs bad stamblades are very noticeable.

Same goes with Mag Sorcs. They are very powerful, true, but good vs bad ones are very noticeable. It does take skill to utilize mag sorc at its highest level.

Turelus

I personally don't use the term as I think it's dumb.

Mostly people use cancer to just complain about stuff they don't like, sure there is stuff I don't like and no one enjoys a 2 second proc insta kill in PvP but whatever, I just respawn and go fight again.

SugaComa

I don't mind any build as long as it's part of a divergent group

What I hate is a group that all have the exact same build

Last night a group of Templars all running the same gear n stats were pissing me right off as they just had a healing circle jerk going on while one person attempted to kill someone

Those you just can't counteract

GrizzlyBear

jaburns wrote: »

So, I was hanging out in Rawl'ka, dueling random opponents. I fought an unkillable StamDK (we ended up forfeiting), a MagPlar (they won), a MagSorc (I won), and then a different MagSorc (they won). In the times that I lost- I got the opponent's health down pretty low... but eventually they won. (damn you lucky people with executes)

Most people were good sports about the duels... except the last MagSorc that I fought. Even though he/she won... they called me a "cancer build". I think this term gets thrown around waaaaaay too often and some people don't actually know what it means.

I was on my mDK using 5 Leeching, 5 Bahraha, and 2 Valkyn.

To me, it seems like people think the term means:

Cancer Build: (adjective) A player who's hard to kill. Or, alternately, a player who kills you.

More appropriately, it could be called:

Cancer Build: (adjective) A player who's using an effective build in PVP for their race/class. AKA "Best in Slot" or "Meta".

What's your definition of a "Cancer Build"?

or a hoe. ranged person with mines/traps/roots and so on everytime you try to get close they run.

Savos_Saren

Blanco wrote: »

There are 2.

1) Stam DK perma blocking tank

2) Warden tank


Both do no damage and just stand their and take damage with their shields / healing / what have you. Not only cancerous, but downright shameful, IMO.

I do NOT consider procblades cancerous. They are simply taking advantage of a broken mechanic that works in their favor- nothing wrong with that. Even though utilizing procs does not take any skill whatsoever, good vs bad stamblades are very noticeable.

Same goes with Mag Sorcs. They are very powerful, true, but good vs bad ones are very noticeable. It does take skill to utilize mag sorc at its highest level.

Soooooo... just the people who you can't kill easily? That's quite literally a tank's job in PVP. To be very hard to kill and to draw aggro of overzealous Damage Dealers.

Being mad at a hard to kill tank is like being mad at a strong damage dealer or a fantastic healer. Just doesn't make any sense...

OdinForge

If you get into a 1v1 with someone only to pop 1H ults back to back on cool-down, and cleanse curses or dots. Your build has the potential to do damage, if you didn't waste your time casting defensive ults instead of trying to line up legitimate combos.

And especially if you don't let the duel end after 10 minutes of wasted time. You're only a "threat" when 10 other allies show up to assist you, but you assure yourself that you did good. Same can be said about pet sorcs casting resto ults in 1v1s back to back, or a NB devoting all their energy to running away from 1v1s with you until they have help.

The idea that someone can go 100% b**** mode for no reason, until they have help. While they whisper you in offline mode.

Some people will defend this type of behavior as "legitimate tanking", but it's just a waste of time. There is a clear difference between building a tank for group v group settings of objective play, versus just being a b****. What's the point in engaging in a 1v1, if you aren't going to actually be a threat to your target.

Insomnia rex

I don't know about ESO as I know no one who uses this term here, but in competitive card games cancer 'builds' refer to a strategy that can only be effectively countered by itself ( it is its only counterplay). Thus the name. Because it spreads, significantly lowering diversity.

ak_pvp

A build with little counterplay either offensively or defensively.

Betsararie

jaburns wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

There are 2.

1) Stam DK perma blocking tank

2) Warden tank


Both do no damage and just stand their and take damage with their shields / healing / what have you. Not only cancerous, but downright shameful, IMO.

I do NOT consider procblades cancerous. They are simply taking advantage of a broken mechanic that works in their favor- nothing wrong with that. Even though utilizing procs does not take any skill whatsoever, good vs bad stamblades are very noticeable.

Same goes with Mag Sorcs. They are very powerful, true, but good vs bad ones are very noticeable. It does take skill to utilize mag sorc at its highest level.

Soooooo... just the people who you can't kill easily? That's quite literally a tank's job in PVP. To be very hard to kill and to draw aggro of overzealous Damage Dealers.

Being mad at a hard to kill tank is like being mad at a strong damage dealer or a fantastic healer. Just doesn't make any sense...

The thread asked which builds I consider to be 'cancer', and I gave my answer.

Standing in one place while holding block with max hp and heavy armor, does not take skill.

Standing in your tree ulti without attempting to do any damage, or anything else at all besides healing, also does not require skill.

Those two builds are the most cancerous in the game, IMHO.

D0PAMINE

Those people in very tanky all health that heal through anything to destract groups from a keep getting taken run Cancer builds. Use poisons, fears and skills to knock them off their balance.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

A cancer build to me is a build that requires little to no skill to use, like Viper/Selene/Velidreth/Red Mountain.

How do these require no skill? Because they are proc sets? Just because you use a proc set for your build, like mine for instance (StamDk 5x TFS, 5x Hundings, and 2 Selenes/Velidreth) doesn't mean my build requires little to no skill. The proc is the added bonus the skill is required when doing a rotation and staying alive (DPS). Just because you get a random proc doesn't mean anything it is simply an added bonus that suits my class. I use Selenes because it procs off melee and Ive built my character around specifically melee.

Edit:

After reading your quote again do you mean using these sets in a build together?

Waffennacht

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

A cancer build to me is a build that requires little to no skill to use, like Viper/Selene/Velidreth/Red Mountain.

How do these require no skill? Because they are proc sets? Just because you use a proc set for your build, like mine for instance (StamDk 5x TFS, 5x Hundings, and 2 Selenes/Velidreth) doesn't mean my build requires little to no skill. The proc is the added bonus the skill is required when doing a rotation and staying alive (DPS). Just because you get a random proc doesn't mean anything it is simply an added bonus that suits my class. I use Selenes because it procs off melee and Ive built my character around specifically melee.

Edit:

After reading your quote again do you mean using these sets in a build together?

Look at the date, this is prior to the proc set nerfs...

Kinda a necro

Thunderknuckles

Jaburns, you're living in an era when people routinely throw all manner of derogatory terms around without having any clue as to what they actually mean. lol I know that that doesn't really answer your question.

Cadbury

As long as you don't run a Templar, Sorcerer, Warden, NB, or DK, you're not running a cancer build.

TankHealz2015

Wow, this is crazy.

I always thought it referred to builds that relied on disease enchantments/procs and Befoul CP-- i.e. very "reduce healing" type builds...

ooops.