The avarage sightings of the new meta

GreenSoup2HoT

Zer0oo wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Hurika wrote: »

So 4 of the 5 attacks shown are a weapon proc, and it is not showing any light/heavy attacks, abilities, etc (aside from 1 ultimate which hit for 3600). All the other attacks that caused the procs must have been hitting a shield and doing 0 damage(?) to not show at all meaning the player likely died spamming shield. I guess pushing 1 button isn't a viable defense any more. <shrug>

My problem with this is it will essentially make the Knight Slayer and Shield Breaker sets less useful in PvP. Why waste a 5 piece when you can just slot one enchantment on a now arguably BiS Trait that would do the same amount of damage, even more so, to targets at or below 29,960 HP on Light, Heavy, and Valid Weapon Ability casts every 2 seconds? Knight Slayer requires a Heavy attack to proc its damage, so depending on the weapon it's even worse. So know you've got an entire set whose utility is equal to that of One weapon Trait and Enchantment. Shield Breaker is a little better, as it has no cooldown asides from that of a heavy/light attack (so around 1 second).

Well i will run on my sorc just for just fun 5xShieldbreaker+infused torugs next patch = 5k(20% of most targets hp) damage against any shielded target per light attack the next patch

I will just light attack ppl to death

Thats literally building to kill shield users though. I dont think shield users have room to complain about a build directly built to counter them.

Kinda like healing debuff builds against stam or magplars.

Or piercing mark against nb's.

Derra

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hrm...

All I think is:

OMG 2H ULT SO OP!!!! GETTING ULT BACK TOO OP!!!

EtoS needs to be buffed...

Cuz listening to PTS players always worked out in the past..

Eots was a pve argument. It wasn´t competetive there tested by people playing raids.
Nobody who actually tested on pts said 2hult was op

This is about people who test on pts. Infused oblivion outperforms everything else for pvp purposes not running in an organized raidgroup (and even there i´d just have my whole guild run it bc it proccs on woe and etos).

Derra

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Hurika wrote: »

So 4 of the 5 attacks shown are a weapon proc, and it is not showing any light/heavy attacks, abilities, etc (aside from 1 ultimate which hit for 3600). All the other attacks that caused the procs must have been hitting a shield and doing 0 damage(?) to not show at all meaning the player likely died spamming shield. I guess pushing 1 button isn't a viable defense any more. <shrug>

My problem with this is it will essentially make the Knight Slayer and Shield Breaker sets less useful in PvP. Why waste a 5 piece when you can just slot one enchantment on a now arguably BiS Trait that would do the same amount of damage, even more so, to targets at or below 29,960 HP on Light, Heavy, and Valid Weapon Ability casts every 2 seconds? Knight Slayer requires a Heavy attack to proc its damage, so depending on the weapon it's even worse. So know you've got an entire set whose utility is equal to that of One weapon Trait and Enchantment. Shield Breaker is a little better, as it has no cooldown asides from that of a heavy/light attack (so around 1 second).

Well i will run on my sorc just for just fun 5xShieldbreaker+infused torugs next patch = 5k(20% of most targets hp) damage against any shielded target per light attack the next patch

I will just light attack ppl to death

Thats literally building to kill shield users though. I dont think shield users have room to complain about a build directly built to counter them.

Kinda like healing debuff builds against stam or magplars.

Or piercing mark against nb's.

Only that it´s the definition of hardcounter where a healdebuff is a counter but does not prevent you from using a skill. Its not suddenly harmful to heal (though that mechanic is insanely fun).

Also heals interact with other defensive mechanics (block and mitigation) which shields do not.
Can i get something workign against block?

Not a comparable situation at all.

Anne_Firehawk

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hrm...

All I think is:

OMG 2H ULT SO OP!!!! GETTING ULT BACK TOO OP!!!

EtoS needs to be buffed...

Cuz listening to PTS players always worked out in the past..

Eots was a pve argument. It wasn´t competetive there tested by people playing raids.
Nobody who actually tested on pts said 2hult was op

This is about people who test on pts. Infused oblivion outperforms everything else for pvp purposes not running in an organized raidgroup (and even there i´d just have my whole guild run it bc it proccs on woe and etos).

@Derra
It's not only that, Infused + Random Fire/Shock Enchant outperforms everything we've seen before in PVE, it's 12-14K DPS just from a single freaking enchant and even more on a Stamina Character, it's broken as *** and it's just worse in PVP. On my MagDK I just weave Light Attacks with S/B and do like 4K Damage ontop of my normal skills. Like who the *** came up with that stupid Idea?

Feanor

Maybe that's what ZOS meant all the time when they talked about "raising the floor"

Zer0oo

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Hurika wrote: »

So 4 of the 5 attacks shown are a weapon proc, and it is not showing any light/heavy attacks, abilities, etc (aside from 1 ultimate which hit for 3600). All the other attacks that caused the procs must have been hitting a shield and doing 0 damage(?) to not show at all meaning the player likely died spamming shield. I guess pushing 1 button isn't a viable defense any more. <shrug>

My problem with this is it will essentially make the Knight Slayer and Shield Breaker sets less useful in PvP. Why waste a 5 piece when you can just slot one enchantment on a now arguably BiS Trait that would do the same amount of damage, even more so, to targets at or below 29,960 HP on Light, Heavy, and Valid Weapon Ability casts every 2 seconds? Knight Slayer requires a Heavy attack to proc its damage, so depending on the weapon it's even worse. So know you've got an entire set whose utility is equal to that of One weapon Trait and Enchantment. Shield Breaker is a little better, as it has no cooldown asides from that of a heavy/light attack (so around 1 second).

Well i will run on my sorc just for just fun 5xShieldbreaker+infused torugs next patch = 5k(20% of most targets hp) damage against any shielded target per light attack the next patch

I will just light attack ppl to death

Thats literally building to kill shield users though. I dont think shield users have room to complain about a build directly built to counter them.

Kinda like healing debuff builds against stam or magplars.

Or piercing mark against nb's.

Are you really defending that build? The Shield Breaker was just an extra to maximize the cheese but it will still deal 3k damage per light attack against anyone. Something like that should NOT exist in this game if it were balanced....


But i have an even better build 5 Knight Slayer+5 inf torugs on a S&B build ~ 20% hp per heavy attack and that not only against shielded targets.

GreenSoup2HoT

Zer0oo wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Hurika wrote: »

So 4 of the 5 attacks shown are a weapon proc, and it is not showing any light/heavy attacks, abilities, etc (aside from 1 ultimate which hit for 3600). All the other attacks that caused the procs must have been hitting a shield and doing 0 damage(?) to not show at all meaning the player likely died spamming shield. I guess pushing 1 button isn't a viable defense any more. <shrug>

My problem with this is it will essentially make the Knight Slayer and Shield Breaker sets less useful in PvP. Why waste a 5 piece when you can just slot one enchantment on a now arguably BiS Trait that would do the same amount of damage, even more so, to targets at or below 29,960 HP on Light, Heavy, and Valid Weapon Ability casts every 2 seconds? Knight Slayer requires a Heavy attack to proc its damage, so depending on the weapon it's even worse. So know you've got an entire set whose utility is equal to that of One weapon Trait and Enchantment. Shield Breaker is a little better, as it has no cooldown asides from that of a heavy/light attack (so around 1 second).

Well i will run on my sorc just for just fun 5xShieldbreaker+infused torugs next patch = 5k(20% of most targets hp) damage against any shielded target per light attack the next patch

I will just light attack ppl to death

Thats literally building to kill shield users though. I dont think shield users have room to complain about a build directly built to counter them.

Kinda like healing debuff builds against stam or magplars.

Or piercing mark against nb's.

Are you really defending that build? The Shield Breaker was just an extra to maximize the cheese but it will still deal 3k damage per light attack against anyone. Something like that should NOT exist in this game if it were balanced....

But i have an even better build 5 Knight Slayer+5 inf torugs on a S&B build ~ 20% hp per heavy attack and that not only against shielded targets.

Im defending oblivion as a mechanic to combat shields/perma block. The current cooldown reduction from torags infused is to much though. All enchants should be 2.2 second cooldowns minimum. Enchants procing every weave or even every other weave is to much.. considering enchants a long time ago were buffed by 300% when it wasnt needed.

Knight slayer is only 10% per heavy. Not even duel wield produces 20% with a heavy. Unless your including buffed enchant for the other 10%.

Brutusmax1mus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People complained about 3k~ viper procs every 4s.

But apparently 3k every 0.8 or 1.4s that goes through block and shields is OK.


I give up with this forum and the balance of this game overall nowdays.

Nerf oblivion dmg ffs zos.

On the topic of viper, you still had a 1.9k oblivion enchant ontop of that though. With usally Seleane. It was the combo potenail burst that was more of an issue with heavy>incap and all the procs.

Its not just oblivion thats the issue. Prismatic glyphs with infused torags is freaking 11k and it can crit. Its camo hunter all over again. Im looking forward to @KenaPKK gank videos with mag nb heavy 1 shotting vamps.

In my opinion we gotta just reduce infused back to 30% cd and get rid of torags cd. Its the cd thats the issue imo.

Sshhhhhh! I already crafted my gear for my magblade!

Xvorg

Does Slimecraw boost oblivion glyph? Last time I checked it boosted proc sets dmg, but I'm not sure if it works on glyphs.

Waffennacht

Xvorg wrote: »

Does Slimecraw boost oblivion glyph? Last time I checked it boosted proc sets dmg, but I'm not sure if it works on glyphs.

I have a feeling it'll buff the tooltip but not the actual damage

Subversus

@GreenSoup2HoT I agree, they should just revert the infused/torugs changes, they are already very powerful on live....

DDuke

Waffennacht wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Does Slimecraw boost oblivion glyph? Last time I checked it boosted proc sets dmg, but I'm not sure if it works on glyphs.

I have a feeling it'll buff the tooltip but not the actual damage

All applicable % modifiers increase enchant (and proc) dmg.

I.e.

Minor Berserk -> +8% to your enchants & procs (all of them)
Energized (sorc passive) -> +5% to lightning glyph & +5% to physical or lightning dmg set procs

The only notable exception is DKs' World in Ruin passive, which does not increase dmg of AoE fire/poison procs (or even skills outside Ardent Flame) by 6% as it should.

Also any target takes x% increased dmg debuff increases proc/enchant dmg, e.g. Minor Vulnerability.

Same with penetration, though this doesn't affect oblivion dmg enchant or bleed procs (as they ignore resistances already).