How do you feel about Frost Tanks

Tasear

Just curious, so here's a poll .

dsalter

the way it's implemented? i'm sorry but ya gotta go you arent gunna get far heavy attack taunting, put the taunt of frost onto crushing shock and it'll work... better... but they'll still lack armor

Azurya

cold, just cold

adriant1978

They should have left frost staves alone and added an alteration staff for magicka tanking.

xSkullfox

Ice HA with taunt was one of ZOS worst decisions, made the stave for every other builds useless.

DocFrost72

xSkullfox wrote: »

Ice HA with taunt was one of ZOS worst decisions, made the stave for every other builds useless.

This. On paper, it's great. You get a free taunt that grants a damage shield, which is a HUGE deal. In application, you need to wind up at least 2.5 seconds before losing aggro and pray nothing stuns you.

They need to make a morph of inner fire apply major fracture, and have it be the first undaunted ability you unlock at undaunted rank one. They're already making the defender passive give armor for having a shield equipped. That...and even if it is JUST an ice staff, 2 item pieces.

GreenhaloX

Sure, if it can hold the boss in place similar to a normal tank. Unlike the ones I have been seeing; the sorc continuously heavy frost blasting the boss, and instead of keeping the boss at bay while shield's up, running around while being chased by the boss. Sure, it's aggroing the boss with the frost blast, but not actually what tanking is. I'm sure not all frost tank are like that. Ha ha

central_scrutinizer

I don't care how you fulfill the role you choose as long as you're earnestly trying to. It's not like anybody can't slot undaunted if they need to.

I don't really care how anybody wants to play their characters, I don't need all of the stars aligned perfectly to make it through a run.

Khenarthi

I have not tried tanking with a frost staff yet (took a break from pledges and other 4-people content).

Not really sure why this was implemented, even as a magetank (nightblade magicka flavour), shield+sword worked just fine.

Balsagna

I have no idea

DeadlyRecluse

It has some novelty in PvP, and I would consider doing it in non-challenging PvE (whatever that means to you and your playgroup). But that's about it.

Tasear

Here's a good frost tank set for those feeling inspired or curious

Undaunted Bastion Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 140

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

(5 items) When you taunt an enemy while you are under 60% Health, gain a damage shield that absorbs 13760 damage for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

DeadlyRecluse

Tasear wrote: »

Here's a good frost tank set for those feeling inspired or curious

Undaunted Bastion Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 140

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

(5 items) When you taunt an enemy while you are under 60% Health, gain a damage shield that absorbs 13760 damage for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

I'm not really sure this is a good frost tank (or any tank) set. If your group is decent, you will have 0 percent uptime on the 5piece.

Keep_Door

Idc

GrumpyDuckling

DocFrost72 wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Ice HA with taunt was one of ZOS worst decisions, made the stave for every other builds useless.

This. On paper, it's great. You get a free taunt that grants a damage shield, which is a HUGE deal. In application, you need to wind up at least 2.5 seconds before losing aggro and pray nothing stuns you.

They need to make a morph of inner fire apply major fracture, and have it be the first undaunted ability you unlock at undaunted rank one. They're already making the defender passive give armor for having a shield equipped. That...and even if it is JUST an ice staff, 2 item pieces.

^ Great post - needs more attention.

Danksta

Dual ice staves? No thanks. Ice staff/SnB? It can work really good in certain situations. Not sure of any other trial bosses it would work this good but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEG1D_jg0-c

Tasear

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Here's a good frost tank set for those feeling inspired or curious

Undaunted Bastion Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 140

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

(5 items) When you taunt an enemy while you are under 60% Health, gain a damage shield that absorbs 13760 damage for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

I'm not really sure this is a good frost tank (or any tank) set. If your group is decent, you will have 0 percent uptime on the 5piece.

Fine round 2

Syrabane's Grip Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) When you block a Flame, Frost, Shock or Magic Damage ability, you restore 860 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 1 second.9

Flaminir

Tasear wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Here's a good frost tank set for those feeling inspired or curious

Undaunted Bastion Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 140

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

(5 items) When you taunt an enemy while you are under 60% Health, gain a damage shield that absorbs 13760 damage for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

I'm not really sure this is a good frost tank (or any tank) set. If your group is decent, you will have 0 percent uptime on the 5piece.

Fine round 2

Syrabane's Grip Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) When you block a Flame, Frost, Shock or Magic Damage ability, you restore 860 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 1 second.9

Interestingly I'm working on a build for 4 person content thats a hybrid tank/dps with fantastic sustain (I hope)

That one is planning on using S&B on the main tank bar and ice staff on the back.... and part of it involves Syrabane.

Will see how it turns out...

But as a generic thing... twin ice staves not a chance... and even a hybrid like the one i'm planning I would never take to trials tbh, have a proper raid tank in my arsenal for that.

DeadlyRecluse

Tasear wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Here's a good frost tank set for those feeling inspired or curious

Undaunted Bastion Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 140

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

(5 items) When you taunt an enemy while you are under 60% Health, gain a damage shield that absorbs 13760 damage for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

I'm not really sure this is a good frost tank (or any tank) set. If your group is decent, you will have 0 percent uptime on the 5piece.

Fine round 2

Syrabane's Grip Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) When you block a Flame, Frost, Shock or Magic Damage ability, you restore 860 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 1 second.9

Much better, and has good synergy with frost tanking.

You win this round : P

Caligamy_ESO

I hate the frost staff taunt for two reasons, once I had a really fun ice sorcerer that was unconventional but fun to play that got flattened by the change, and two.. I keep encountering players that don't even know the HA on it taunts and they end up yanking bosses off of me while I am tanking.

This just happened last night in Hew's Bane on one of the world bosses. Usually it is no problem for me to stand there tanking the main boss and gathering up adds when she calls them out but this time she was regularly running rampant every 30 seconds or so all over the place hitting people and confusing the hell out of me. That's when I noticed there was a guy in light armor in the corner consistently dying once a minute. So I watched him sit there and heavy attack like his life depending on it and sure enough, the boss made a b-line for him and promptly pressed his face into the dirt. Three or four times later I stopped my attack rotations long enough to type "Just so you know.. that ice staff heavy attack taunts the boss to you."

Ended up crafting him some gear better suited to his character goals, and he agreed to keep a healthy distance away from the ice staves.

raj72616a

it's conditonally useful as an off bar weapon for my 70k health DK tank. i can heavy attack to restore magicka for spamming igneous shield, and get a free damage shield while doing that, and taunting one mob as a side effect.

my main feature is continuous spamming of a 8k+ damage shield for the whole group, so i dont feel it necessary to chain taunt all the trash mobs in a hurry. i have noxious breath and ele drain to apply debuff. the only thing i dont have a replacement for is heroic slash.

Arbit

I gave frost tank a try personally and found it doesn't block damage as well as a sword and board. The passive from a sword and shield are much better. It's unfortunate but I feel they need to buff it before you wanna try tanking anything more difficult like vet dlc or trials. It's a really cool concept but it's currently not up to snuff.

coop500

I have a frost tank, but she uses inner fire for insta taunt, so far it is working alright.

Betsararie

Considering they're terrible not good

RavenSworn

haven't done trials but I've always used frost staves for my magicka sorc tank and magward tank. It works like a charm imo. had the aggro of all four shades in last boss ICP without even needing to move closer to them. now with Wardens as dps and hitting that sub assault every now and then, I don't even care if I need to deal Pierce armor.

one thing though, they really should put up a better Force Shock ability to the frost staff element. maybe a "Casting Frost Shock on a target will create a ball of frost on the target that deals X damage to all other nearby enemies, with a 70% chance to deal Chilled to targets affected.

idk

Frost stave converted to taking was a lazy design that was poorly implemented. It should have been a new weapon specifically for tanking. Not due to the taunt since that is not an issue, undaunted has that covered. It lacks 2 debuffs S&B provides and passives such as movement speed while blocking and more. Not to mention the skills are mostly worthless for tanking.

If I did a random pug and the tank was using an ice staff I would not vote to kick, but would not expect the best results.

Rungar

frost staff works well enough for vet dlc though the heavy attack taunt and requirement for a destro skill to be slotted aren't that great. You really have to use it with sword n board for the most benefit. The real advantage to it is that you can easily switch to magic blocking and your stam will regen.

actually works pretty good overall depending on the sets you use.

I use plague doctor, magicka furnace and chudan. All sturdy, decisive weapons. Tried bloodspawn and engine guardian and while they have their perks I find the chudan set and the slot it opens up to be more reliable and versatile choice.

Teridaxus

Depends...are they dps who queue as dps doing dps and hide their frost staff on the backbar only to reveal it at the first boss and running away while i fail to reapply to taunt.

Nyghthowler

I solo ALOT, and I never have any trouble keeping agro using frost tanking.....

helediron

Works when leveling a mage alt. I can taunt worldbosses at level 15. Makes them easier and less of Benny Hill shows.

mewcatus

Santa just can't catch a break.