Why are MagPlars Perma-Op even after dozens of nerf's?

John_1999

they nerfed this class near to dead for solo play, for group play every class is good.
I got destroyed by procblades in no cp in no time, in 5 heavy, 7 impen.
Magplars need way more time to kill someone. They just don't have the burst damage.
In light armour you are a piece of paper, and in heavy you don't have sustain, because Templars skill are just too expensive.

IMO Cleansing Ritual and its morphs should be buffed and give you debuff immunity for about 3-5 seconds.
In the time you remove debuffs, you have new one's on you, so make the skill cheaper or give the caster immunity.

Solarbarage needs finally a buff or a change, this skill is unused for years.

Unstable core is a joke, it is a weak version of Sorc's curs, but costs a lot of magica.

Magsorc and StamNB are one of the best classes for more than 2 years now, but guess what... nerf Templars, patch by patch by patch. From day one to now, Templars have never been the best class in pvp, but nerf templars.

Why should you play Templars and earn your kill, if you can just play a procblade, press 2 buttons and one shot ppl.

Don't understand me wrong, Templars have been a strong class, but they were never the best class in pvp.

I mean look at the leaderboards of each campagne. I haven't seen a Templar on first place there for a long long time.

Azurya

I don´t think they are OP from observations

Subversus

Good cherry picking of screenshots @Joy_Division let me go ahead and pick a screenshot where I do minimal damage with my surprise attack due to it being debuffed into oblivion, I'm sure that will support my claim of that skill being underpowered and needing a buff.

MarzAttakz

Sallington wrote: »

Take away my mist form and I'm just a turd waiting to be killed.

Shot to the heart, you're to blame, you give love... a bad name!

Publius_Scipio

I think it's obvious that ANY and ALL of the classes can be "op" and "troll" if built the right way. I have fought templars that were insanely tough and hit like trucks, and others, still end game templars, that gave me a back and forth fight and I was able to win my fair share of our dance numbers. And the absolute only hard difference between the templars was the gear (OP? Meta?) and maybe some CP shifted around.

I will say it again, if you are end game, you've played ESO for a good amount of time, the biggest gap between you and another player will simply be the gear you equip. Animation canceling, all that other stuff, is a much smaller factor in the equation. You wear the gear, you have the ESO math on your side, you will win more often than not.

Edit: And if you think my post isn't the truth or reality. Well, you are fake news!

Edit 2: CP was a focus of a lot of debate, it was changed/"balanced". Let's balance gear sets now, buff some crafted sets.

Joy_Division

Subversus wrote: »

Good cherry picking of screenshots @Joy_Division let me go ahead and pick a screenshot where I do minimal damage with my surprise attack due to it being debuffed into oblivion, I'm sure that will support my claim of that skill being underpowered and needing a buff.

Wrong.

I did not post a screenshot of a skill that I claimed to be underperforming in an attempt to lobby Zos for a buff.

And there is a difference between providing evidence of a situation that is a scenario derived from the combat tools ZoS has provided and being disingenuous with misleading screenshots that are not representative of combat situations.

LeifErickson

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Magplars are not OP, they certainly take a LOT more skill to play in PvP than they used to. In PvE, yes, they can faceroll the game with one button push and nothing more.

But in PvP, it now requires a decent rotation, keeping your range and dodge-rolling till the cows come home (and thats on a full magicka build with only 10K stamina.....). Guess where we are having to put CP? yeah, in the star that reduces cost of dodge-rolling as much as possible.

BoL is no longer the go-to heal.

A magplar rotation is more likely to be - Ritual of Retribution (places a DoT on enemy), Jav x 2, Heavy attack, switch bar, grand healing, switch bar, sweeps until mag almost drained, heavy attack, switch bar for grand healing, back to main bar, and so on and on...

So this is the the rotation I should be using! That explains so much! I can't wait to demolish everyone in Cyro with this. I'm so glad there are great magplars in this community I can learn from.

DeadlyRecluse

My magplar rotation is mistform, mistform, mistform, radiant.

Brutusmax1mus

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

My magplar rotation is mistform, mistform, mistform, radiant.

I like to throw in a seige shield too. Its op.

DHale

Ha ha ha good one. All those one v x Templar videos.... carry the one.... oh it's ZERO.

Lore_lai

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I will say it again, if you are end game, you've played ESO for a good amount of time, the biggest gap between you and another player will simply be the gear you equip other 50 ppl behind u ready to roll over that one dude.

Fix'd that 4 u.

Publius_Scipio

Lore_lai wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I will say it again, if you are end game, you've played ESO for a good amount of time, the biggest gap between you and another player will simply be the gear you equip other 50 ppl behind u ready to roll over that one dude.

Fix'd that 4 u.

That's semi fake news. Duels are unfortunately a joke right now.

DeadlyRecluse

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

My magplar rotation is mistform, mistform, mistform, radiant.

I like to throw in a seige shield too. Its op.

Sometimes I run around in a little circle spamming BoL until I run out of magicka and die, too. It's a great strat.

Subversus

@Joy_Division are you implying that breath of life actually heals for that little regularly? I must play against some exploiting templars that keep healing to full in 1-2 breaths of life.

Magus

Subversus wrote: »

@Joy_Division are you implying that breath of life actually heals for that little regularly? I must play against some exploiting templars that keep healing to full in 1-2 breaths of life.

Hard to see from just that one screenshot. Could have healing debuff on him but more likely is he was holding block and spamming honor the dead - as I see blocks to all attacks after the HtD. I can see the magicka return proc from a previous HtD right before the circled one. There are a couple damage sources listed within the screenshot that total 1858. What I'm getting at is that I believe the addon tells how much you healed for, not how big the heal could have been. So, if you were only missing 2k health, you receive a 2k heal, but I could be wrong about that.

DeHei

Wtf ... WTF... After Templar lost nearly all, because of this:" PLS NERF THE TEMPLAR, BECAUSE THEY ARE SOOO OP WITH SPAMMING PUNCTURING SWEEP AND TEMPLARBEAM TO FINISH ME..."
I say to you L2P and WTF you lose again against the weakest class!

Templar need a *** buff, they need more CC and some reworked skills for more diversity!

When i need to read 1 more time "nerf Templar", because you couldnt beat 1 Templar from 1000 in duells, my head will EXPLODE. I will play "the ring" on your PC.. you will not see this chinese girl.. you will just see my hand punching you like Terence Hill until you say, "Yes, i was wrong.."

DeHei

And dont understand me wrong, i love my Templar. But when you unable to counter this gapcloser, puncturing sweep and beam mechanic, that cant be the solution to nerf it to zero.. work on you, you can do it!

Mojmir

OP must be a sorc, dont try to divert attention
#nerfsorc

Joy_Division

Subversus wrote: »

@Joy_Division are you implying that breath of life actually heals for that little regularly? I must play against some exploiting templars that keep healing to full in 1-2 breaths of life.

No. I am implying nothing. I am stating that there are tools in the game like major defile, minor defile, and the CP defile for people who whine about healers.

But people don't want to use these tools because they want to slot max damage, use an oblivion glyph, and have ZoS cater nerfs so their overly specialized and limited builds is strong against every opponent they face.

How many times must ZoS nerf healing to satisfy you people who hate healing? Lost a heal from breath of life, now it has to be aimed, lost major mending - a huge nerf - buffed the crap out of major defile and STILL people whining about healers.

What I am doing is no different than when Nightblades come onto these forums and claim Cloak is fine because there are counters and yet you accuse me of being disingenuous. There are counters - use them.

And, yes, whenever I fight a NB who uses Incap (most of them), any Sword & Board who uses Reverb (most of them), if they invest in defile - and the better players do - if I want a heal worth a damn, pretty much have to cast purify before breath of life, especially if they are running a disease glyph or poison to hit me with minor defile as well. So using what's supposed to be my primary defense cost two global cooldowns and two resource drains, but nerf templars, right?

It's gotten to the point where the Warden completely invalidated Wrobel's "house" concept for templars because all a warden has to do is put corrupting pollen down and that's the end of any "house."

You aren't playing against exploiting templars, you just aren't using the tools readily available to you. If I am not defiled, then my heals, especially crits, are going to restore a lot off health. It's no different from me not slotting radiant magelight, or using a detect potion, or the other counters for cloak and then coming onto these forums complaining how I would have killed that dastardly nightblade if she didn't disappear.

Lore_lai

Joy_Division wrote: »

And, yes, whenever I fight a NB who uses Incap (most of them), any Sword & Board who uses Reverb (most of them), if they invest in defile - and the better players do - if I want a heal worth a damn, pretty much have to cast purify before breath of life, especially if they are running a disease glyph or poison to hit me with minor defile as well.

And that is *IF* Purify will even cleanse the debuff - because at that point you could potentially have so many debuffs on you...
I sometimes wish we would have a purify priority list

Mazbt

I like fighting the high damage magplars because they aren't super tanky, and they are usually brave and fight until there's a winner as opposed to how i see the tanky high regen ones mist forming back to their precious zerg for help.

Makato

Magplar isn't OP ,snb ult , heavy armor and stuff like that make it seem that way...

Subversus

@Joy_Division lmfao are you serious? Did you really just fire the l2p shot at me? Literally all my stam classes run sword and board with reverb as their only stun ('xcept for my stamblade), my magblade runs incap. I've been playing this game for a LONG time, I don't need some Templar hero salty that his precious fotm class isn't fotm anymore trying to lecture me on how to play.

Your argument on how BoL is weak is just pure bias and ignorance. I am dueling templars every day, and not a single one heals for 2k.

And please, telling me to run defile to counter a Templar when you yourself said that you purge the debuff right before healing? Mate just drop it, breath of life did get nerfed and I agree on that, but calling it weak? You know very well yourself that it isn't weak.

Oh yeah and let's not forget about purge, the single most overpowered skill in the whole game. Templars may be weak open world, but that's pretty much it.

Integral1900

Nerf my beloved pve magic Templar one more time and I swear I will send deamons to pull your souls out though your noses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morgul667

Please, no more nerf threads

Asmael

I am no magplar expert, but I can count.

Up to 2.

Which happens to be the number of solo magplars I've faced since Morrowind launch in open world.

Joy_Division

Subversus wrote: »

@Joy_Division lmfao are you serious? Did you really just fire the l2p shot at me? Literally all my stam classes run sword and board with reverb as their only stun ('xcept for my stamblade), my magblade runs incap. I've been playing this game for a LONG time, I don't need some Templar hero salty that his precious fotm class isn't fotm anymore trying to lecture me on how to play.

Your argument on how BoL is weak is just pure bias and ignorance. I am dueling templars every day, and not a single one heals for 2k.

And please, telling me to run defile to counter a Templar when you yourself said that you purge the debuff right before healing? Mate just drop it, breath of life did get nerfed and I agree on that, but calling it weak? You know very well yourself that it isn't weak.

Oh yeah and let's not forget about purge, the single most overpowered skill in the whole game. Templars may be weak open world, but that's pretty much it.

You have done nothing in this thread but insult me and accuse me of lying. And you constantly misrepresent my arguments. I have not asked ZoS to buff BoL. I have not called BoL weak.

I have over 4000 posts and in none of them have I asked ZoS to nerf any class or any spec. You think I am a "templar hero" but I have a consistent posting record in which I have pointed out to ZoS abilities and mechanics that I believe have been under-performing for all classes, not just templars. I understand that if my opponent does not also have powerful and unique abilities, then the game won't be very much fun or interesting for them; all classes and specs need them. I do not seek ZoS to nerf other builds people's builds so that mine becomes more powerful, yet you are calling me biased.

You aren't the only person who has been playing this game a long time. And just because you have played this game for a long time does not mean you aren't full of the very bias you accuse others of having.

Publius_Scipio

*Scipio double clotheslines Subversus and Joy Division*

Cinbri

Every single update people claim "Templars OP". But exact same people don't play Templar/don't have experience of playing Templar; because just when they trying to play this "op" class, they stomped constantly/unable to kill any decent enemy/can't do absolutely anything solo.
And always they ending to not play this "op" class because they "don't like such style", or just playing a healbot nanny for group; yet still trying to claim how strong this class is.
Thats why everytime i hear that templar is one of strongest class it cause nothing but laugh.

DeHei

Cinbri wrote: »

Every single update people claim "Templars OP". But exact same people don't play Templar/don't have experience of playing Templar; because just when they trying to play this "op" class, they stomped constantly/unable to kill any decent enemy/can't do absolutely anything solo.
And always they ending to not play this "op" class because they "don't like such style", or just playing a healbot nanny for group; yet still trying to claim how strong this class is.
Thats why everytime i hear that templar is one of strongest class it cause nothing but laugh.

Nearly everytime i find a enemy Templar, who starts spaming puncturing sweep to me, i am happy to have an easy to kill target... Everybody else with think the same...