Why are MagPlars Perma-Op even after dozens of nerf's?

Prince_of_all_Pugs

i just dont get it, someone enlighten me.

SugaComa

They're not ... I find in one on one no lag situations I either stand toe to toe or get decimated, I've never completely destroyed anyone bar that level 11 who dueled meand I swear I thought he was hiding cp under the hood till I dropped in on his arse in seconds

I still feel bad about it

Minno

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

i just dont get it, someone enlighten me.

We get our strength from outside OP sources, not Templar skills.

Watch any strong magplar and you'll see that they killed you or survived using an outside skill line.

Only skill that needs adjusting is purfying light/power of light. The end effect needs to be dodged to promote counter play for those that can't purge it.

BroanBeast1215

Minno wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

i just dont get it, someone enlighten me.

We get our strength from outside OP sources, not Templar skills.

Watch any strong magplar and you'll see that they killed you or survived using an outside skill line.

Only skill that needs adjusting is purfying light/power of light. The end effect needs to be dodged to promote counter play for those that can't purge it.

how about we leave Templars alone for a bit?

Minno

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

i just dont get it, someone enlighten me.

We get our strength from outside OP sources, not Templar skills.

Watch any strong magplar and you'll see that they killed you or survived using an outside skill line.

Only skill that needs adjusting is purfying light/power of light. The end effect needs to be dodged to promote counter play for those that can't purge it.

how about we leave Templars alone for a bit?

Puryfing light change was recent and not needed.

They should fix unstable core; it doesn't explode after the player is dead before the timer goes off while sorc's curse autosets+ explodes post-death.

timidobserver

It's because 1 in 10 players know how to react to being beamed(sa/ro). The average stam build just spams dodge while they die.

Joy_Division

They're not.

Flowersquisher

You obviously don't play one, templars(stam and mag) got nerfed to Oblivion

WuffyCerulei

They aren't magsorcs, meaning they're not OP. If they spam Breath of Life, a well-placed Negate can screw them over.

bikerangelo

Every class is good with a decent player. The current imbalances with magicka in pvp stem from the resto/destro ults. Why do you think even some stamina toons are running the resto ult?

Templars need fixes to abilities, not more nerfs. If you want to look at a class that actually needs a nerf, make this officially a #nerfsorc thread.

Iyas

Haeh what are you talking about

Drdeath20

Lets talk about magplars;

Our passives are tied with dragon knights for having the worst.

Our hard hitting ranged skill (darkflare) has a long cast time + travel time and does not synergies with any other skill. Its not like we can insta cast our flare after casting another ability. So a unstable core is wasted because your telegraphing your next attack, which has a cadt time and travel time. This skill is strictly a situational skill.

Solar barrage is the most useless skill in the game.

I cannot find a time that healing ritual becomes mores usefull than BoL.

Our only form of cc pushes our enemy away from us????

Our only forms of defense are a gimmiky class shield, a reflect that gives away free cc immunity or just trying to out heal incomming damage.

Most the people still left as magplars end up using world skills to be competitive in pvp.

Minno

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lets talk about magplars;

Our passives are tied with dragon knights for having the worst. I'd say they are better. We do have a few passives with no pve/PvP combat functionality but our strongest passive is spear procs, minor sorcery stacked with major sorcery, ult gen on DW skill use, and ability to gain minor mending on cheap rune use.

Our hard hitting ranged skill (darkflare) has a long cast time + travel time and does not synergies with any other skill. Its not like we can insta cast our flare after casting another ability. So a unstable core is wasted because your telegraphing your next attack, which has a cadt time and travel time. This skill is strictly a situational skill. problem with unstable core is it's a waiting game and doesn't do DMG if the enemy is dead before the timer is up

Solar barrage is the most useless skill in the game.

I cannot find a time that healing ritual becomes mores usefull than BoL.

Our only form of cc pushes our enemy away from us???? jav is eh. Vamp drain provides more utility and CC through block/dodge.

Our only forms of defense are a gimmiky class shield, a reflect that gives away free cc immunity or just trying to out heal incomming damage. don't forget that we have restoring focus! Minor protection+minor vitality means we can offset us losing major mending plus stack minor mending with resto ultimate

Most the people still left as magplars end up using world skills to be competitive in pvp. that is the Templar PvP way, sadly

NedicWildling

This is just another bait thread by op, pretty sure he has been trying to farm forum stars for the past couple of months with all the *** posting threads he has been spawning.

Sallington

Take away my mist form and I'm just a turd waiting to be killed.

Bonzodog01

Magplars are not OP, they certainly take a LOT more skill to play in PvP than they used to. In PvE, yes, they can faceroll the game with one button push and nothing more.

But in PvP, it now requires a decent rotation, keeping your range and dodge-rolling till the cows come home (and thats on a full magicka build with only 10K stamina.....). Guess where we are having to put CP? yeah, in the star that reduces cost of dodge-rolling as much as possible.

BoL is no longer the go-to heal.

A magplar rotation is more likely to be - Ritual of Retribution (places a DoT on enemy), Jav x 2, Heavy attack, switch bar, grand healing, switch bar, sweeps until mag almost drained, heavy attack, switch bar for grand healing, back to main bar, and so on and on...

NBrookus

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Our only form of cc pushes our enemy away from us????

Our only forms of defense are a gimmiky class shield, a reflect that gives away free cc immunity or just trying to out heal incomming damage.

Most the people still left as magplars end up using world skills to be competitive in pvp.

I like javelin, but I play a destro-plar, so pushing people back is useful. I just have to be careful not to push them out of range.

Losing the CC on shards was sad and unnecessary though.

Brutusmax1mus

I think y'all are crazy, I'm wrecking ppl in pvp. My groups are never over 6 ppl.

Worst passives in the game? Youre nuts. Some may be more utility, but they are essential for pvp.

thankyourat

I don't think they are op 1v1 but in group play they are definitely op. 1 templar can keep an afk player you are bursting alive with the press of 1 button. So templars will forever be at the top of the meta because support is so important for the zergs to function. Templar and mag dk are the only class that can be op without actually needing to kill anyone

Koolio

thankyourat wrote: »

I don't think they are op 1v1 but in group play they are definitely op. 1 templar can keep an afk player you are bursting alive with the press of 1 button. So templars will forever be at the top of the meta because support is so important for the zergs to function. Templar and mag dk are the only class that can be op without actually needing to kill anyone

MagWarden ultimate spam build. I also have an extremely strong build for a nightblade that couldn't even kill a wolf

HiImRex

DK passives are bad what

revonine

They aren't OP, what's OP is the mitigation you get from heavy + 1H/Shield + passives from both + blocking. The recent "nerf" to blocking effected the wrong people the most.

Subversus

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

They aren't magsorcs, meaning they're not OP. If they spam Breath of Life, a well-placed Negate can screw them over.

Let me grab my magblade and stop that breath of life spam by negating the ***. Should screw them over right?????????

Also templars are super strong in duels. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. Purge alone makes the class strong as *** 1v1.

Nivellan

Minno wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

i just dont get it, someone enlighten me.

We get our strength from outside OP sources, not Templar skills.

Watch any strong magplar and you'll see that they killed you or survived using an outside skill line.

Only skill that needs adjusting is purfying light/power of light. The end effect needs to be dodged to promote counter play for those that can't purge it.

Making it dodgeable negates the entire skill vs stamina builds. That's why curse works the way it does. If you give anyone 6 seconds to dodge something they're gonna dodge it 100% of the time. Only time they won't is if they're too worried about getting trained down by other people.

DisgracefulMind

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CatchMeTrolling

You guy's use op way too loosely

revonine

Subversus wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

They aren't magsorcs, meaning they're not OP. If they spam Breath of Life, a well-placed Negate can screw them over.

Purge alone makes the class strong as *** 1v1.

While I agree purge is awesome this game isn't balanced around 1v1.

Drdeath20

Their is always a situation where specific templar strengths shine but the best parts of the game the fall short

RinaldoGandolphi

Templars are not OP perse and I agree with @Minno on purifying light.

However ,what else I'm about to say I know I will get push back for. Ready?

Healing in this game is a little too bursty. This goes for both mag and Stam all classes.

I wouldn't be against them slightly lowering the effectiveness of healing slightly via battlespirit(like 5% or so putting it slightly below damage) but it's not something I think should be at the top of their priority list. Just something to think about

Xsorus

I run 5 light/1 medium/1 heavy
On my magicka Templar, i do this on the no cp server but I've ran it on cp also.

It can be squishy and my medium armor stam sorc is way more tanky despite my Templars better heals. Then again my stamina sorc is probably my tankiest toon so far.

Having 25k resist, 4K crit resist, and full well fitted is pretty beast.

With that said my stamina sorc even running a super heavy burst setup is nothing compared to the amount of beat down my magicka Templar can put down on someone who isn't full tank.

The combination of valkyns,overwhelming,PL, and unstable core with jabs is just nasty as hell.

Joy_Division

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Templars are not OP perse and I agree with @Minno on purifying light.

However ,what else I'm about to say I know I will get push back for. Ready?

Healing in this game is a little too bursty. This goes for both mag and Stam all classes.

I wouldn't be against them slightly lowering the effectiveness of healing slightly via battlespirit(like 5% or so putting it slightly below damage) but it's not something I think should be at the top of their priority list. Just something to think about

No need to nerf, already has counterplay.



2.4K "burst" heal.