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Ihatenightblades
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Daedric trickery says grants RANDOM buff. So why is it not random? Why did i get expedition 70% of the time?
Wasted 500 ancestor silk for nothing smh better tool tip please !!
Wasted 500 ancestor silk for nothing smh better tool tip please !!
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭RNG decided that was the buff you should have. Cry moreGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5028 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wasted materials making this set too. I thought it would be a fun back-bar buff set for a 5-2-5 loadout. To my dismay I soon discovered that you have to have the 5th bonus active a full 20 seconds to proc a buff. Lame sauce.5 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wasted materials making this set too. I thought it would be a fun back-bar buff set for a 5-2-5 loadout. To my dismay I soon discovered that you have to have the 5th bonus active a full 20 seconds to proc a buff. Lame sauce.
That's kind of inherent with the set though.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 502 -
Erraln✭✭✭✭✭Random does not mean even.
Also, by the sound of it you don't want that buff, so you're likely noticing it every time, and suffering from a memory error concerning its frequency in relation to the others.20 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Random does not mean even.
Also, by the sound of it you don't want that buff, so you're likely noticing it every time, and suffering from a memory error concerning its frequency in relation to the others.
No its actually bugged the set isnt working as intended right now i am testing it right now from my 200+ tests so far i have gotten 6% chance on protection. Thats not working as intended buddy2 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭i dopnt recall but were the words "with equal distribution" in the 5pc tip or did you just assume it?Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Ihatenightblades It sounds like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. Not saying that is what you are trying to do right now, but this is why people are writing negative comments atm
If you've actually discovered a bug and the purpose of this thread is to make it known, please link a vid showing it off. A 5-10min video of buff rotating should be sufficient for this set.0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Yeah but I was thinking you could proc a buff just by activating the 5th bonus and then bar swap to a different set, 20 seconds later rinse and repeat (kinda like Lich).
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ThePrinceOfBargains✭✭✭✭✭
✭Random means random. As in selected without any form of conscious decision or reason. It does not mean "different every time" or an equal chance of getting each buff. ~Pibb
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Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Random means random. As in selected without any form of conscious decision or reason. It does not mean "different every time" or an equal chance of getting each buff. ~Pibb
i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on July 29, 2017 5:28PM8 -
Alpheu5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Random means random. As in selected without any form of conscious decision or reason. It does not mean "different every time" or an equal chance of getting each buff. ~Pibb
i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
Unless expedition has a 100% chance to proc, or there's a determinable pattern to the buffs applied, it's random. If it's picking a number between 1 and 100, and expedition happens to be applied to 50 of those numbers, it's still random. That's how chance works. It's math and definitely random.Edited by [Deleted User] on July 29, 2017 5:26PMDalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.5 -
Paulington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's actually a broken set in its current form.
Once you enter combat, you have to wait the full 20 seconds to even get a buff, then once you drop out of combat the buff drops and you have to wait another 20 seconds, it's really not working as it should I can agree there.
I did a /feedback and suggested it be changed to be more like the Succession set, where it just cycles through the five buffs 20 seconds at a time, that way you can plan ahead if you need a certain buff and has less of an RNG element.
I hope this set can be fixed relatively soon.
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
It's been proven over and over since early beta that ZOS random is not pure random, it's (usually heavily) weighted.
Edited by [Deleted User] on July 29, 2017 5:27PM4 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
It's been proven over and over since early beta that ZOS random is not pure random, it's (usually heavily) weighted.
Out of 300+ test ita fair to call it for what it is i dont get how delusional people can be. Its a fact that you are less likely to get major protection every single time the set procs. Thats not random lol. Thats percentageEdited by [Deleted User] on July 29, 2017 5:27PM1 -
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
It's been proven over and over since early beta that ZOS random is not pure random, it's (usually heavily) weighted.
Out of 300+ test ita fair to call it for what it is i dont get how delusional people can be. Its a fact that you are less likely to get major protection every single time the set procs. Thats not random lol. Thats percentage
Nobody's saying that they have an equal chance.
They're saying that if there's 100 slots, and expedition takes up 50 of those and protection takes up 5, it's still random. It's just weighted random and not true random.Edited by [Deleted User] on July 29, 2017 5:27PM0 -
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✭Random doesn't necessarily mean even. I used excel to roll a D6 5000 times. You'd think there would be an equal change of any number appearing. Well, you'd be wrong.
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Paulington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Random doesn't necessarily mean even. I used excel to roll a D6 5000 times. You'd think there would be an equal change of any number appearing. Well, you'd be wrong.
This is absolutely correct.
Let's say each bonus has a 20% chance to proc (1/5) and you test 100 procs, the probability of you getting 25 or more of that buff is around 9%, that's most certainly not uncommon.
The probability of you getting 30 rolls on the same buff in 100 is about 0.9%, so still not all that uncommon.
As @PlagueSD mentioned, random does not mean even. Random means it will tend to an even distribution over time but even a few hundred procs is most certainly not enough to tell that.
The set is broken as I posted above, but not because the RNG isn't correct.. 1 -
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It doesn't matter how many times you test it. The fact that you got something different even 1% of the time and were unable to find a trigger for getting a specific buff shows that it is indeed random. Now I'm all for calling out ZOS on their consistent incompetence and poor decisions, but this is not an example of it. You may not agree with expedition having such a high probability of activitation, but that's another matter entirely. Whether this was intended or not, it is absolutely not false advertising. ~PibbIhatenightblades wrote: »Are you intentionally trying to sound idiotic, or do you simply not grasp the concept of "random"? Random means random. As in selected without any form of conscious decision or reason. It does not mean "different every time" or an equal chance of getting each buff. ~Pibb
Yes but you are being delusional.. i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
Maybe you should do test yourself before you throw in your worthless 2 cents
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✭Paulington wrote: »Random doesn't necessarily mean even. I used excel to roll a D6 5000 times. You'd think there would be an equal change of any number appearing. Well, you'd be wrong.
This is absolutely correct.
Let's say each bonus has a 20% chance to proc (1/5) and you test 100 procs, the probability of you getting 25 or more of that buff is around 9%, that's most certainly not uncommon.
The probability of you getting 30 rolls on the same buff in 100 is about 0.9%, so still not all that uncommon.
As @PlagueSD mentioned, random does not mean even. Random means it will tend to an even distribution over time but even a few hundred procs is most certainly not enough to tell that.
The set is broken as I posted above, but not because the RNG isn't correct..
Dude that chart is even to me for a random. If u had that same chart for the daedric trickery set it would be soooooooooo different and thats my point.
Its a fact that protection and mending have the lowest proc chance its simple math bud.0 -
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✭rhapsodious wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Yes but you are being delusional.. i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
It's been proven over and over since early beta that ZOS random is not pure random, it's (usually heavily) weighted.
Out of 300+ test ita fair to call it for what it is i dont get how delusional people can be. Its a fact that you are less likely to get major protection every single time the set procs. Thats not random lol. Thats percentage
Nobody's saying that they have an equal chance.
They're saying that if there's 100 slots, and expedition takes up 50 of those and protection takes up 5, it's still random. It's just weighted random and not true random.
Well then there you go you proved my point thank you. It is supposed to be random period. As in some times one proc can proc more than the other. The problem here is daedric set doesnt do that. Expedition seems to be the only "random" buff that keeps coming.
Random should also mean there is a chance protection can proc more than others but it doesnt..0 -
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✭rhapsodious wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Yes but you are being delusional.. i tested over 300 times and its confirmed that expedition has highest chance to proc. Its math and its definitely not random.
It's been proven over and over since early beta that ZOS random is not pure random, it's (usually heavily) weighted.
Out of 300+ test ita fair to call it for what it is i dont get how delusional people can be. Its a fact that you are less likely to get major protection every single time the set procs. Thats not random lol. Thats percentage
Nobody's saying that they have an equal chance.
They're saying that if there's 100 slots, and expedition takes up 50 of those and protection takes up 5, it's still random. It's just weighted random and not true random.
Engine guardian is random. Sometimes i get 4 magicka in a row sometimes i get 4 health in a row sometimes i get 3 stam in a row.
This doesnt happen with trickery its not working as intended period jesus why are you trying to stop devs from fixing a broken set that u never even tried? Smh1 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Daedric trickery says grants RANDOM buff. So why is it not random? Why did i get expedition 70% of the time?
Wasted 500 ancestor silk for nothing smh better tool tip please !!
Protip: When testing a new set, make the CP150 version first. Saves ~450 mats and the stat difference won't make or break the build.2 -
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Daedric trickery says grants RANDOM buff. So why is it not random? Why did i get expedition 70% of the time?
Wasted 500 ancestor silk for nothing smh better tool tip please !!
Protip: When testing a new set, make the CP150 version first. Saves ~450 mats and the stat difference won't make or break the build.
Ya but the tool tip looked pretty simple not gonna lie after this i will test before crafting. Atleast i didnt make it gold0 -
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Daedric trickery says grants RANDOM buff. So why is it not random? Why did i get expedition 70% of the time?
Wasted 500 ancestor silk for nothing smh better tool tip please !!
Protip: When testing a new set, make the CP150 version first. Saves ~450 mats and the stat difference won't make or break the build.
Exactly. I NEVER craft a CP160 set unless I KNOW I'll be using it forever...Even for the crafted sets I use, it's still cp150 (my sneaking around set - Night's Silence)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Random does not mean even.
Also, by the sound of it you don't want that buff, so you're likely noticing it every time, and suffering from a memory error concerning its frequency in relation to the others.
No its actually bugged the set isnt working as intended right now i am testing it right now from my 200+ tests so far i have gotten 6% chance on protection. Thats not working as intended buddy
You need to add three or four digits to that 200+ to get close to having enough data to determine any anomalies.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2
