WTF Happened to "CC Immunity"?

Meilinka

Lately I've been having issues where my immovability potions are sometimes just flat out not working as intended.

It can be infuriating. Sometimes they work, sometimes I get cc'd to buggery.

SkillzMFG

Noticed this while doing the Battlegrounds yesterday. I was getting stun locked in fights and it was ridiculous.

Idinuse

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Thank goodness. And thank you very much for responding to the thread. You guys at ZOS HQ be having me worried sometimes. And honestly? I don't know if you were just told to post that, in order to quiet a lot of us who are angry and frustrated. Or if it is genuine, and things will get fixed. All I know is that I appreciate you taking the time to post this, and that I'm going to hold you all at ZOS to your word on this.

Jesus they actually responded?

I've gotten some Moderator warnings in a couple posts by now, But honestly I don't care anymore.


It seems the only way to get things fixed is to scream at them now before anything gets noticed anymore


So frustrating

Honestly, it shouldn't have to be that way. We're talking internally about how we can fix this.

Zaldan

Sorry for the wall of text, it's late and I started rambling. TL;DR - we'll work on doing a better job to communicate the larger, more overarching changes and plans we have for future gameplay updates to keep everyone abreast of what we're doing.

not the first or even second time we've seen such a claim, "When words and actions differ, judge by actions" nothing is going to change.

Nelson_Rebel

Any fix Yet?

Nelson_Rebel

Day 1 where's our fix

Magdalina

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Day 1 where's our fix

Lol. If you're super lucky they will try to implemeht a fix with next DLC(some time August), likely fail miserably, break something else in the process(something like Idk...drinking an immov potion will now instantly get you cc'd, sparing you the wait for an actual inevitable cc'ing attack) then never fix it because they'll be too busy fixing all the other things next DLC with inevitably break.

Given next DLC is less than a month way though it's more likely to go in the DLC after that so in 3-4 months in best case.

In the meanwhile, why don't we waste some more Columbine potions on those Immovable pots that never work when most needed? ...I think it's time to take a break for me tbh, this game has become a lot more rage inducing than fun lately>.<

ak_pvp

This has been an issue so long I didn't even know it wasn't a feature. To be honest I am split on this. On one hand, it shows negligence on ZOS's part. On the other hand, why should you get a free CC immunity without breaking free, manage yo stam.

A better fix would be to leave CC immunity to break frees only, but improve the other methods of CC immunity like longer pots (And make eternal *** not CC when using pots.) Making CCs breakable free midway through the stun/knockback happening.

Mildly related:

I know that stun/root immunity are different, but is having someone roll out of my root then stunning them near instantly, skipping the 2 sec, intended

Jamascus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Thank goodness. And thank you very much for responding to the thread. You guys at ZOS HQ be having me worried sometimes. And honestly? I don't know if you were just told to post that, in order to quiet a lot of us who are angry and frustrated. Or if it is genuine, and things will get fixed. All I know is that I appreciate you taking the time to post this, and that I'm going to hold you all at ZOS to your word on this.

Jesus they actually responded?

I've gotten some Moderator warnings in a couple posts by now, But honestly I don't care anymore.


It seems the only way to get things fixed is to scream at them now before anything gets noticed anymore


So frustrating

Honestly, it shouldn't have to be that way. We're talking internally about how we can fix this.

What's the current process for gameplay issues being relayed from the forums to the people that can fix it?

From the forums specifically? There's a number of avenues for how threads get to the dev team, including:

• The community team sees threads that require attention, and we send them to the devs to review.
• Other devs see threads that require attention, and they send them to the appropriate team to review.
• The gameplay team sees threads and review amongst themselves (this happens more than you might think).
• The QA team also reviews many, many threads posted in the Bug Reports section and take whatever action is appropriate. This includes creating a new bug if one doesn't exist and sends it to the team, noting if something is already bugged but is getting more reports, something that sounds off but can't be reproduced easily, or something that's been reported but is actually working the way it was designed (sometimes this can lead to further discussions, such as why it's being viewed as broken if it isn't, but that's another discussion).
• Customer Support finds a thread that's related to tickets that get sent in, and those get triaged/escalated as appropriate.

Those are just some examples. We've said this before, but we are reading many of the threads and posts from the forums!

Thanks for the explanation!

Jamascus

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I think the issue is going beyond broken CC immunity. Today in a keep fight I drank an immovability potion (15.7 second immunity to knockdowns) and within 2 seconds not only was I knocked down, but used my break free and was knocked down again immediately.

Yep, these potions are broke too.

Magdalina

ak_pvp wrote: »

This has been an issue so long I didn't even know it wasn't a feature. To be honest I am split on this. On one hand, it shows negligence on ZOS's part. On the other hand, why should you get a free CC immunity without breaking free, manage yo stam.

A better fix would be to leave CC immunity to break frees only, but improve the other methods of CC immunity like longer pots (And make eternal *** not CC when using pots.) Making CCs breakable free midway through the stun/knockback happening.

Mildly related:

I know that stun/root immunity are different, but is having someone roll out of my root then stunning them near instantly, skipping the 2 sec, intended

It's to prevent chain cc which is happening left and right. Now technically a breakfree would stop chain cc but breakfree is not exactly known to be responsive around these parts. I don't think it's right to get ping ponged by three Wrecking Blows(or whatever the cc-ing morph is called) in a row while frantically spamming breakfree key at full stamina bar with zero result.

Technically if breakfree(along with cc immunity potions) was more reliable it'd be much less of an issue but I don't think it ever will be.

Krayzie

Petrified into a fear dizzy swing

EttinTheBreton

Just so everyone's aware, here is a quote from the PTS Patch Notes, found here (August 7th):

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[...]

General

• Improved the reliability of CC (crowd control) immunity when other status effects are on you.
  • For example, you can now reliably break CC after being CC’d while sprinting.
  [...]

[...]

Reverb

Has anyone noticed if break free and cc immunity are better since the patch?

reActor1

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any update on this?

Please fix this mechanic. It completely kills our gameplay. Especially medium armored are supposed to break-free and roll dodge when under heavy pressure. In these cases we have only 1 chance.
In the following scene I was expecting the hard CC (but only 1!) because I was there to move enemy attention from siegers to me. I do it very often and I can evade a lot of attacks but this way... it's frustrating.
I tried to break-free after the first expected CC but I've been hit by another (and all the other attacks coming with it).

Please let us know if you found out the broken mechanic or need more evidences.

https://youtu.be/9miboH2r-Jg

Berenhir

HalfSaw wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any update on this?

Please fix this mechanic. It completely kills our gameplay. Especially medium armored are supposed to break-free and roll dodge if under heavy pressure. In these cases we have only 1 chance.
In the following scene I was expecting the hard CC (but only 1!) because I was there to move enemy attention from siegers to me. I do it very often and I can evade a lot of attacks but this way... it's frustrating.
I tried to break-free after the first expected CC but I've been hit by another (and all the other attacks coming with it).

Please let us know if you found out the broken mechanic or need more evidences.

https://youtu.be/9miboH2r-Jg

No ETA

Koolio

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Thank goodness. And thank you very much for responding to the thread. You guys at ZOS HQ be having me worried sometimes. And honestly? I don't know if you were just told to post that, in order to quiet a lot of us who are angry and frustrated. Or if it is genuine, and things will get fixed. All I know is that I appreciate you taking the time to post this, and that I'm going to hold you all at ZOS to your word on this.

Jesus they actually responded?

I've gotten some Moderator warnings in a couple posts by now, But honestly I don't care anymore.


It seems the only way to get things fixed is to scream at them now before anything gets noticed anymore


So frustrating

Honestly, it shouldn't have to be that way. We're talking internally about how we can fix this.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks @Ch4mpTW, these issues are on our radar and is something we want to fix. We have some improvements coming in the next couple updates that should help with this.

dennissomb16_ESO

Funny that this post came back around today. I had just commented to a buddy of mine that I started a fight with a Dolmen boss, I was CC'd broke free and was instantly CC'd again by the boss. No immunity at all. Of course it is far worse in PvP when such a high percentage of attacks include some sort of CC along with damage

Jeremy

They should just bring back the old unstoppable ability.

There is just nothing fun about CC effects in PvP.

Fodore

Happens to me as well, sad for magicka characters especially, after 2 break frees my stamina pool is done for. Sad times.

Gan Xing

Happens to me when you are soloing resources... Guard chain you and you get stuck in a carousel just going around unable to break free or do anything while all the guards wail on you.

Kalante

no fix because it actually requires coding

Thogard

I’m going to hate myself for saying this because it’s something I use all the time... and I really don’t want to start seeing it everywhere..

But ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno should really look specifically at situations where an immovability poison is procced off of a hard CC like dizzy swing or reverb.

There. I let the genie out of the bottle.

Nebthet78

There are so many issues with this game right now.. Not only is CC immunity messed up, but half the time I'm finding I can't even use my weapon to light or heavy attack, even though I'm able to use skills or block. It's utterly a mess!!

Koolio

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

https://youtu.be/I1wsTHhjb2M

Seriously. What happened to it? Whether it is PvE or PvP. I'm so damn tired of getting double CC'd from hard-CC's that I'm ready to scream. I can't avoid it in PvE, and I can't avoid it in PvP. NPC's and players alike just completely rendering CC immunity null and void. And I've damn near had it. I made a post about this a month or so ago, and not a single damn dev or combat team member made a comment about what they are doing to look into it. Nor have mentioned an ETA on a proper fix.

I'm sick of it, bruh. I'm tired of having point out crap, and nothing gets done. Just like how early I made a thread about how I could still gap-close into keeps, and sent out messages to the staff of ZOS. And not 1 of them has gotten back to me about it, or how they'll look into it. People have been exploiting the queue system, and still no ETA on when that will be fixed. Keep doors not letting you in or out have been broken for YEARS, and still no damn ETA on a fix. But you ZOS mods can come into a thread, and make a comment about how you removed a post this and that. You can sure comment on that. But, you can't comment and engage on what you're ACTIVELY doing to make your game better.

And yes, before some white knight joins this thread and says how I'm not entitled to a functioning game. Save it. I already know about how we signed the damn TOS that states how ZOS don't have to fix anything, and that they are free to do whatever they want and how we want. So save it. I don't want to hear that noise. Call this another complaint and whine thread. Call me the ESO Alex Jones. Idgaf at this point, bruh. I really don't.

Same issue still happens. With the same move as well. Can we get an update to CC immunity?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Magdalina

CC immunity is still for the weak.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Also consider when we're looking at new features specifically, for example, this kind of takes the wind out of Marketing and PR's sails if we just lay it all out on the table early.

So you'd be able to save money on PR and Marketing (as anyone who works in those sectors knows the BEST form of both is word of mouth - which would be off the scales in this scenario) and redirect that money to improvements and additions to content.

And you (Zenimax) think this is a bad idea?

Well I guess that's "priorities" clearly sorted then.

All The Best

HoloYoitsu

Nebthet78 wrote: »

There are so many issues with this game right now.. Not only is CC immunity messed up, but half the time I'm finding I can't even use my weapon to light or heavy attack, even though I'm able to use skills or block. It's utterly a mess!!

You have to wep swap when that happens, somehow it fixes the lockout.

RazerKlang

Goosefraba? Pvp players just goosefraba.

krachall

I've been farming Sunderflame and the one boss on the platform that uses all the fire AOE has an interesting attack sequence. He will actually start his CC's before he even appears on my screen. And this is with 70ish latency.

Platform is empty.
CC'd due to Ambush before boss spawns.
Massive fire AOE, that you are stunned in the middle of.
Boss actually appears after two attacks. My health at 50%.
Break out of first CC and block.
Boss does heavy attack that ignores block and knocks you back into fire.
Knocked down at 25%
Fire takes health to 10% before you can recover.
Recover and try to vigor. Second Ambush stuns you.
Dead.

Fun gameplay ZOS!

(yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit, but for a dungeon I can solo with my eyes closed on an 18k health character, it's stupid how often the permastun happens)