I used to not mind cliff racer much until now

NyassaV

This is becoming a problem now... This photo was not rigged, and it is only a little bit of an irregularity. If things aren't dodge-able, they should go through wards too. Not only is that fair, but makes more sense lore wise as well

Waffennacht

Hey... That's cutting dive, the Stam version

geonsocal

great death recap - I'm jeleaous...i enjoy collecting those "odd" death recaps...

best i have to date is one with 4 eye of whatever and another with 5 lethal arrows...

I mean if you pvp you're going to die anyway - good to at least have an interesting death...

sly007

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hey... That's cutting dive, the Stam version

I don't see why does matters since both cutting dive and screaming cliff racer are morphed from cliff racer, which is undodgeable.

I agree with making cliff racer undodgeable with the condition of a faster travel time and a secondary effect for cutting dive.

k9mouse

There is a reason that they have such a bad rep...

Ulo

Praise Saint Jiub.

SodanTok

I too have full recap of undodgeable abilities when I spent like 10sec before death just dodging all around
Do you run impen at all? It looks like they had 70% crit damage modifier on you.

sly007 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hey... That's cutting dive, the Stam version

I don't see why does matters since both cutting dive and screaming cliff racer are morphed from cliff racer, which is undodgeable.

I agree with making cliff racer undodgeable with the condition of a faster travel time and a secondary effect for cutting dive.

Because cutting dive is bad (like 20% less damage than magicka morph bad) and the only way to die to it is if you are nonstop dodging and there are several people so they cant use any better ability on you.
The only people I kill with cutting dive are those that think they can just tank 80% of their health pool fighting and then just spent 5 sec dodging while healing to full

"Let me just stand there and spam my abilities and once I see my HP going down I will just press the dodge button no matter what class or build I am and it will take care of all the problems" - every keep defender/attacker

DocFrost72

You died to one of the better players on AD and at least two other people.

I'm willing to bet money that recap could have said jabs and PotL a few patches ago.

Joy_Division

DocFrost72 wrote: »

You died to one of the better players on AD and at least two other people.

I'm willing to bet money that recap could have said jabs and PotL a few patches ago.

Two of the best players in the game period.

paulsimonps

We see only one allied body, you, and 3 AD standing tall next to you, 3vs1. In most cases, regardless of what they used you would be dead. Very few can 1vX and win.

br0steen

I've had 5 jesus beams before, all from different people.

Lore_lai

I think I remember you!
If you are that one DK that kept coming back and hate whispering us - then maybe you should present this esteemed audience everything that transpired there.

Also, instead of wasting your time charging head-on into an organized small-scale group and then raging in whispers - you should use that time in a more constructive fashion.
Maybe next time try to be less toxic and you will find yourself with a more pleasant experience!

EDIT: If it wasn't you then I can tell you for sure that you must have done something to stir up all that because we rarely attack solo players like that unless they poke too much or have done something to deserve it.

Tryxus

Glory

LOL

This may have been one of those times we were saying "I wonder if we can just Cliff Racer to death that guy," and then you just stood there and took every hit like a champ.

For real though, I'm playing an off-meta build with no proc sets, it probably was just that you were running from us and we happen to have range skills?

xaraan

Haven't you heard?

https://youtu.be/2WNrx2jq184
https://youtu.be/2WNrx2jq184

STEVIL

paulsimonps wrote: »

We see only one allied body, you, and 3 AD standing tall next to you, 3vs1. In most cases, regardless of what they used you would be dead. Very few can 1vX and win.

especially with what appears to be not much blocking and not much mitigation.

Lughlongarm

While I can understand where all the QQ on the "Dive" skill and morphs is coming from, this skill is actually in a very awkward place.

Most stmina wardens won't even use it, not on PVP and not on PVE, it just doesn't do enough. Just Look at streamers/youtubers that play stamina wardens, this skill is nowhere to be found. They will use other weapon skills as spammbles.

Magica builds will use "Screaming Cliff Race" in PVP and are very much dependent on this skill to set up a kill combo. PVE magica wardens will cut this skill from their bar on most content and use "Force Shock".

If you take away the undodgeable element from this skill without giving it something else to make it interesting , the weapons spammbles(for both stamina and magica) will out preform this skill all across the board.

I do think they should take away the toxic element of the skill and replace it with something interesting that could be beneficial for both stamina and magica and fro both PVP and PVE.

Witar

Got several 10k cliffracer today while cristal frags usually hit me for 6kish. Is something wrong with this skill? Didn't bother to level a warden yet.

Zordrage

Witar wrote: »

Got several 10k cliffracer today while cristal frags usually hit me for 6kish. Is something wrong with this skill? Didn't bother to level a warden yet.

for a Sorc to hit hard he needs to slot and activate a bilion other abilities that barely do dmg...

im seriously its redicoulus how much crap you need to activate during a fight so that your main class abilities actual can kill soemthing lol

lucky_Sage

I understand why its undodgeable but as I have been playing a magwarden and I think I'm making it my new main with the slow travel time and how there burst is hard to hit. only people its strong against is people who dodge roll very often. when I'm 2vxing or a small group only time i get a kill with my warden is by people who over dodgle roll cause I'm the only one who can hit them other than that they all get the kill cause they have a execute. the bear is crap and not a reliable execute in pvp i don't even think its good in pve where mobs don't move
a more flavorful cliff racer would but other abilities would need looked at to aswell for it to work

Neoauspex

I'm fine with it being undodgeable if it's reflectable or vice versa. Or increase the resource cost after 10 casts in a row. Just needs to be some counter to it.

QuebraRegra

geonsocal wrote: »

great death recap - I'm jeleaous...i enjoy collecting those "odd" death recaps...

best i have to date is one with 4 eye of whatever and another with 5 lethal arrows...

I mean if you pvp you're going to die anyway - good to at least have an interesting death...

that EOS is not that usual, with NBs using lotus fan gap closer so you can't escape. Crap skill.

QuebraRegra

Zoliru wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Got several 10k cliffracer today while cristal frags usually hit me for 6kish. Is something wrong with this skill? Didn't bother to level a warden yet.

for a Sorc to hit hard he needs to slot and activate a bilion other abilities that barely do dmg...

im seriously its redicoulus how much crap you need to activate during a fight so that your main class abilities actual can kill soemthing lol

sounds like what I have to do with my NB.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Stop trying to take away the strongest ability from the weakest class.

O_LYKOS

I didn't mind until the other day. I honestly must have been hit my 15 of those dam things in a row. I really really wish I could have just yawned at that player and asked "are you done?" and just move along because he didn't get anywhere with it. Except being highly irritating.

Torbschka

I guess it will never end .. PLZ, show ne that build with the 10k cliffracers. I am above 50k mag with 2,5k spelldmg, yet to see a 10k cliffracer, especially if you say u only eat a6k frags on your build.

Witar

If you can't pull it off doesn't mean it's impossible. You could be simply bad - unable to perform on level with top tier or even mediocre wardens

Azurya

Hollery wrote: »

This is becoming a problem now... This photo was not rigged, and it is only a little bit of an irregularity. If things aren't dodge-able, they should go through wards too. Not only is that fair, but makes more sense lore wise as well

look at it the other way around, it took 5(!) attacks to take you down, so you were really good on healthpoints and so, good armour and yes you did all you could have done,( I hope, or were you just sitting on your mount in the middle of nowhere looking at your map?), but that is life, someone came with something better and chucked you like salami.
That is life.

Chilly-McFreeze

Just a snap from last night's battleground. Me wearing 5 heavy with 28k resistance (41%) and 2.9k impen (44%). I was impressed to say the least.

Edit: uff, photobucket at it's best... 6.9k and 7.3k cliffracer

i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o711/Chilly-McFreeze/dr%20-%20cliff%207k%20edit_zps1biiplqb.png

Gan Xing

i've been hit with 8k cliff racers... in no CP campaign... for most players, that is a 3 shot kill. Even then, I held my own, but it still is annoying to say the least.

Zordrage