[PC NA] AD Wins Vivec, Season 2 - Congratulations

Prince_of_all_Pugs

NA Vivec have a strange ability that none of the other 2 factions seem to have. The AD faction on Vivec Does not run PuG groups, yet they all move as a single massive faction zerg almost effortlessly. I can say that the AD faction is roughly 80 percent solo players who can faction stack very quickly with almost no orders given from Zone chat or other guilds. Another thing is also that the AD elite 1VXers on Vivec actually assist with their pushes and faction zergs. Also You cant even Make a PuG group (none will join, they rarely LFG in zone) on AD vivec because the AD PuGs dont need it cause of their innate ability to form a faction zerg to attack almost any keep in a moments notice. Not even DC on Vivec can do this , for they often depend too heavily on VE to do everything for them. So i tip my hat off to the AD PuGs of vivec, EP and DC pugs could learn alot from yall.

Elong

Congratulations, fully deserved, smart gameplay and a joy to fight against. Never that much lag fighting against AD either!

The last few campaigns have been very close, which is healthy for pvp!

Good luck in the next campaign!

Juli'St

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

re post

you know AD is doing well when Iskra is being quiet in zone chat. XD

PC NA btw

also thanks to the pug sherpas I saw, props to anti-fusion and a few others that kept herding the pugs what seemed like 24/7

couple times DC and EP saw we had the lead and decided to ignore each other and purple up against us. even though its the right thing to do and the alliance war was kind of balanced with that idea in mind, it still makes it hard. but AD fought hard.

extra proud because AD is not known for anything and often talked down, DC has the guilds, EP the numbers, and AD the potatoes -_- glad we could rally together and give the other factions a smack in the mouth.

Iskra is your leader? I challenge him to a fight.

yeap the legend

(people get mad cause some 'streamers' die to a LOW cp...or cant kill me XD I understand!)

Satiar

While I did want to win the campaign I'm really happy to see resilience all around. When I came back to the game after a few month break it was rough. I remember taking trikeeps with barely s fight and leaving out of boredom. No one likes losing but I'd rather have a hard fought loss then an easy win, 'tis better fit the game.

Juli'St

About BB. Month a go END in this campaign, someone from AD make a guild called 'Xylena is trash'. I report this player. Xylena is EP, a excellent player.

I can understand the jealousy, the anger for not getting something, but I do not tolerate cynicism and that I denounce without any reserve!

Those who demand respect, who learn to respect first and then demand some respect. And, cynicism with me does not glue.

ataggs

Congrats on the win Iskra! You worked very hard for it. Don't let them keep you quiet!

Juli'St

ataggs wrote: »

Congrats on the win Iskra! You worked very hard for it. Don't let them keep you quiet!

Some times i need be quiet Some times i make crap. I understand this feeling from some AD players.

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Grampa_Smurf

Dam long speeches here O well here goes......
















Grats and 2 thumbs up

GlorphNoldorin

Well done AD you had the superior tactics and deserved to win the campaign. It is impossible for DC to combat AD faction stacking and EP faction stacking when both attack DC at the same time.(with periods of relatively little ad/ep fighting observable on the map.)...Maybe it was when I logged in but that seemed to me to happen alot

Wing

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Well done AD you had the superior tactics and deserved to win the campaign. It is impossible for DC to combat AD faction stacking and EP faction stacking when both attack DC at the same time.(with periods of relatively little ad/ep fighting observable on the map.)...Maybe it was when I logged in but that seemed to me to happen alot

depends on whats going on. this happens all the time and is the nature of the 3 way alliance war.

quite a few times DC and EP ignored each other and shoved AD to its gate keeps. I recall one point when DC had emp (one of the early morning DC guilds) EP and AD seemed to just get sick of DC and decided they had our undivided attention regardless of score.

sometimes its strategy, sometimes its revenge, sometimes its just puglife.

you see this when AD takes bleakers, DC and EP decide there just not having it and decide there going to gate AD or AD is going to leave bleakers, pick a choice.

Juli'St

It is not 'unusual' - speaking of a dispute involving 3 factions - that there are informal 'small alliances', that is, taking advantage of a particular moment and strength of one faction to grow over another. The hard part about this is knowing how and when to do it.

I insist a lot on the AD side so that we have AD, attention to the 'chess' of the campaign, the 'game of forces', to better enjoy the different moments. I think everyone does it. The nickname or the way we call it is: purple team, orange team, green team. It is part of Cyrodiil. Some things have changed, I have observed. One is that I no longer see those races for 'farmar', something unrelated to the campaign and I find it interesting. Also knew that EP was without some good pictures that, in the recent past, made the difference - when EP won its last campaign or DC.

With the expansion and the new DLCs, upgrades, etc., a lot is now and will continue to be 'tested', even during the campaigns. Populations have changed, there is a new scenario that we are still experiencing.

Herbatio

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

Agrippa_Invisus

Wing wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Well done AD you had the superior tactics and deserved to win the campaign. It is impossible for DC to combat AD faction stacking and EP faction stacking when both attack DC at the same time.(with periods of relatively little ad/ep fighting observable on the map.)...Maybe it was when I logged in but that seemed to me to happen alot

depends on whats going on. this happens all the time and is the nature of the 3 way alliance war.

quite a few times DC and EP ignored each other and shoved AD to its gate keeps. I recall one point when DC had emp (one of the early morning DC guilds) EP and AD seemed to just get sick of DC and decided they had our undivided attention regardless of score.

sometimes its strategy, sometimes its revenge, sometimes its just puglife.

you see this when AD takes bleakers, DC and EP decide there just not having it and decide there going to gate AD or AD is going to leave bleakers, pick a choice.

Simple rule of strategy -- when you know where the enemy's strength is, hit him where his greatest weakness is.

When a powerful raid or the Emperor group decides to go off on an adventure and farm or cart a scroll around always marking their position on the map, that's prime time to hit their most important home and Imperial keeps. Last night at one point, VE (a strong PC NA raid guild on DC side) took BRK (while not owning Chalman). To farm, to take points from EP --- I don't know their exact motivation.

Both EP and AD knew where VE was at that point. DC's home keeps got hammered, as they should, in that situation.

Warfare and strategy is mostly deception. Hide your motives until it's too late to do anything about them. Show your hand too heavily and even if you're in third, you've just exposed a weakness, and that is something that will be exploited ruthlessly.

Herbatio wrote: »

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

I sense that the salt is strong with this one.

GlorphNoldorin

Herbatio wrote: »

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

I sense that the salt is strong with this one.[/quote]

I can see that every faction sees the campaign from their own perspective.....but I have to back this up...it's what I saw alot of the time. Doesnt mean I am right from other factions perspective but that's what it appeared like....not salty just saying

Satiar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Well done AD you had the superior tactics and deserved to win the campaign. It is impossible for DC to combat AD faction stacking and EP faction stacking when both attack DC at the same time.(with periods of relatively little ad/ep fighting observable on the map.)...Maybe it was when I logged in but that seemed to me to happen alot

depends on whats going on. this happens all the time and is the nature of the 3 way alliance war.

quite a few times DC and EP ignored each other and shoved AD to its gate keeps. I recall one point when DC had emp (one of the early morning DC guilds) EP and AD seemed to just get sick of DC and decided they had our undivided attention regardless of score.

sometimes its strategy, sometimes its revenge, sometimes its just puglife.

you see this when AD takes bleakers, DC and EP decide there just not having it and decide there going to gate AD or AD is going to leave bleakers, pick a choice.

Simple rule of strategy -- when you know where the enemy's strength is, hit him where his greatest weakness is.

When a powerful raid or the Emperor group decides to go off on an adventure and farm or cart a scroll around always marking their position on the map, that's prime time to hit their most important home and Imperial keeps. Last night at one point, VE (a strong PC NA raid guild on DC side) took BRK (while not owning Chalman). To farm, to take points from EP --- I don't know their exact motivation.

Both EP and AD knew where VE was at that point. DC's home keeps got hammered, as they should, in that situation.

Warfare and strategy is mostly deception. Hide your motives until it's too late to do anything about them. Show your hand too heavily and even if you're in third, you've just exposed a weakness, and that is something that will be exploited ruthlessly.

Herbatio wrote: »

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

I sense that the salt is strong with this one.

For the record, EP had held Alessia for hours and AD hadnt even *tried* to get it. They instead preferred to be farmed by me at Roe and Nikel for hours. I was *hoping* that AD would push Alessia if BRK was cut off.

It wasn't my most successful ploy ever.

But then if I stay front lines with DC im a big zergstacking baddie

Agrippa_Invisus

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Well done AD you had the superior tactics and deserved to win the campaign. It is impossible for DC to combat AD faction stacking and EP faction stacking when both attack DC at the same time.(with periods of relatively little ad/ep fighting observable on the map.)...Maybe it was when I logged in but that seemed to me to happen alot

depends on whats going on. this happens all the time and is the nature of the 3 way alliance war.

quite a few times DC and EP ignored each other and shoved AD to its gate keeps. I recall one point when DC had emp (one of the early morning DC guilds) EP and AD seemed to just get sick of DC and decided they had our undivided attention regardless of score.

sometimes its strategy, sometimes its revenge, sometimes its just puglife.

you see this when AD takes bleakers, DC and EP decide there just not having it and decide there going to gate AD or AD is going to leave bleakers, pick a choice.

Simple rule of strategy -- when you know where the enemy's strength is, hit him where his greatest weakness is.

When a powerful raid or the Emperor group decides to go off on an adventure and farm or cart a scroll around always marking their position on the map, that's prime time to hit their most important home and Imperial keeps. Last night at one point, VE (a strong PC NA raid guild on DC side) took BRK (while not owning Chalman). To farm, to take points from EP --- I don't know their exact motivation.

Both EP and AD knew where VE was at that point. DC's home keeps got hammered, as they should, in that situation.

Warfare and strategy is mostly deception. Hide your motives until it's too late to do anything about them. Show your hand too heavily and even if you're in third, you've just exposed a weakness, and that is something that will be exploited ruthlessly.

Herbatio wrote: »

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

I sense that the salt is strong with this one.

For the record, EP had held Alessia for hours and AD hadnt even *tried* to get it. They instead preferred to be farmed by me at Roe and Nikel for hours. I was *hoping* that AD would push Alessia if BRK was cut off.

It wasn't my most successful ploy ever.

But then if I stay front lines with DC im a big zergstacking baddie

And, not trying to toss barbs here, just my honest review of what happened coming up --

It was a poor strategic choice that hurt DC and EP equally. It gave Ash to AD, who then back capped us hardcore when we retook BRK as well and was the ultimate nail in the coffin of AD ever being dislodged from first. They had Ash and BRK both and dominant map positioning and they never, ever looked back. They remained aggressive throughout the night and eventually EP/DC had to accept second was their only goal and turned on each other completely. (that's my recollection of what they regained -- I admit my memory is fuzzy after a very very long night and a lot of keep flips merging together)

Your short term goal of 'get Alessia back to AD' was successful, but the long term plan failed in the end.

AD exploited the opening ruthlessly, effectively, and good on them for catching it and handling it. You were in a position you couldn't respond to threats to the home keeps and we were cut in half by a combination BoD KC back cap and the back cap on BRK (coordinated or not, I dunno). BoD was also out of position to respond to threats at home.

In the end, the only way to dislodge #1 from their seat is to actually damage them more than whomever is below them. Constant back caps of BB, BM, and Fare were required to end with any outcome other than what we were left with (aside from a juggle of whom was 2nd/3rd.). It was still mathematically possible till around that event, but never happening after. AD regained waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

heng14rwb17_ESO

AD PUG IS STRONG.
AD PUG CAN 1vX.
AD PUG WILL ARRIVE AT ANY KEEP UNDER ATK IN 1 MIN TIME.

NO WAY ANY TOMATOES OR SMURFS CAN WIN AD PUG !

Drummerx04

Not even exaggerating, @Telel is largely responsible for AD's lead and DC's 3rd place. Between at least 2pm-5pm you could find him almost daily running a group of roughly 8 and capping 3-6 of DC resources from Rayles, Glade, and Warden. This would happen 2-6 minutes before the eval while most of the DC faction was busy fighting AD at Ash or EP in the usual places.

He played the resource game and he played it well.

Agrippa_Invisus

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Not even exaggerating, @Telel is largely responsible for AD's lead and DC's 3rd place. Between at least 2pm-5pm you could find him almost daily running a group of roughly 8 and capping 3-6 of DC resources from Rayles, Glade, and Warden. This would happen 2-6 minutes before the eval while most of the DC faction was busy fighting AD at Ash or EP in the usual places.

He played the resource game and he played it well.

Yeah. He'd do the same to EP as well, periodically.

It's the grunt work and the little things that bring success, not the rockstar, flashy moves. Smashing down a keep is worth the same points to the scoreboard as a resource.

Rohamad_Ali

Herbatio wrote: »

congratulations? really? you think you deserve it? so you pretty much don't fight EP in the evening and you actually feel good about winning , lol that is ******* hilarious

Ghostbane

Vilestride

AD earned this without a doubt. Its good to see because everyone had written them off, myself included. They played the map intelligently. Rarely over extending to gate another faction, just holding what they need and playing the evals precisely. Where I do believe the other factions outweighed them in both guild presence and general population AD made up for it with patience and a commitment to the campaign.

I am actually really happy with the result. EP had to do dirty things in the last few evals of that campaign to ensure 2nd place and avoid the life time of shame that is a last place finish, now that shame is rightfully DC's.

Juli'St

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD PUG IS STRONG.
AD PUG CAN 1vX.
AD PUG WILL ARRIVE AT ANY KEEP UNDER ATK IN 1 MIN TIME.

NO WAY ANY TOMATOES OR SMURFS CAN WIN AD PUG !

lol

Telel

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Not even exaggerating, @Telel is largely responsible for AD's lead and DC's 3rd place. Between at least 2pm-5pm you could find him almost daily running a group of roughly 8 and capping 3-6 of DC resources from Rayles, Glade, and Warden. This would happen 2-6 minutes before the eval while most of the DC faction was busy fighting AD at Ash or EP in the usual places.

He played the resource game and he played it well.

Yeah. He'd do the same to EP as well, periodically.

It's the grunt work and the little things that bring success, not the rockstar, flashy moves. Smashing down a keep is worth the same points to the scoreboard as a resource.

While a humble khajiit is happy to take credit for their entire faction's victory they also must be honest.

That resource capturing was mostly just us doing our best to try and force the bloops and griffs to spread out across the map instead of concentrating entire population bars into one location. Plus it helped train the new pups in the necessities of proper mount maintenance and pack coherency.

The whole getting points thing was just a happy by product of Telel's attempt to avoid the zergs.

Oh, and it also showed you only need two people to take a keep. Which we did repeatedly during that last night.

Eirella

Congrats AD

Nivellan

Tons of tactical skill involved in winning campaigns.

Juli'St

Nivellan wrote: »

Tons of tactical skill involved in winning campaigns.

First: event, queue in 900
Secound: 2 day of campaign, we are in vacation
3 - AD ll win!

END!

Vilestride

Nivellan wrote: »

Tons of tactical skill involved in winning campaigns.

yeah I don't get the relevance of this either? Enlighten us?

Agrippa_Invisus

Vilestride wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

Tons of tactical skill involved in winning campaigns.

yeah I don't get the relevance of this either? Enlighten us?

I think it's an attempt to reach a salt quota.

Telel

Nivellan wrote: »

Tons of tactical skill involved in winning campaigns.

Well it did indeed take a lot of tactics to come back from the kind of zerging displayed by Team purple in the pictures you shared.

Thank you for showing just how hard the Dumbminion had to fight against the two faction hordes arrayed against humble khajiit.

=^.^=