Surely a healer shouldn't pull 55 % of the group dps?

Kanar

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And yeah, average (good, but not spectacular) dps is very easy on any class. I used to play stamplar and stamsorc at some point, and stam dk in the old vdsa days and didnt have any issues with survival or damage.

Ok, create a casual stamina build with casual gear and post your best combat metrics log against molag kena.

Since when Molag Kena is a dps test?
The fact that you suggest it says a lot.

Oh I didn't realize you only discuss theoretical or ideal numbers. You clearly said stamina DPS is easy in dungeons, so prove it.

LadyNalcarya

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And yeah, average (good, but not spectacular) dps is very easy on any class. I used to play stamplar and stamsorc at some point, and stam dk in the old vdsa days and didnt have any issues with survival or damage.

Ok, create a casual stamina build with casual gear and post your best combat metrics log against molag kena.

Since when Molag Kena is a dps test?
The fact that you suggest it says a lot.

Oh I didn't realize you only discuss theoretical or ideal numbers. You clearly said stamina DPS is easy in dungeons, so prove it.

You clearly dont know what youre talking about. Dps parse on Kena, Velidreth etc is useless due to mechanics (if you actually did these dungeons you'd know).
Edit: I mean, Id understand if you asked about speedrun video or something, but parse on Kena (not the hardest boss in the dungeon) wouldnt prove anything.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Reverb wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

76.9% of DPS as the tank:

(Yes, saptanks have more DPS than your typical tank, and my attributes and CP are set up for DPS. But still, I was in heavy armor with sword-and-board and 30K health. And the sad thing is, this is pretty common in Group Finder.)

I admire you for having been willing to pug ICP with a cp14 and a cp33 DPS. Both NBs even.
I would have bailed on that group the second I loaded in.

(For the record, not ripping on NB dps, but the learning curve is long. Those who are good are very very good, the rest...aren't)

those dps are NOT champion level, they are plain old level 14 and level 33.

Drummerx04

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And yeah, average (good, but not spectacular) dps is very easy on any class. I used to play stamplar and stamsorc at some point, and stam dk in the old vdsa days and didnt have any issues with survival or damage.

Ok, create a casual stamina build with casual gear and post your best combat metrics log against molag kena.

Since when Molag Kena is a dps test?
The fact that you suggest it says a lot.

Oh I didn't realize you only discuss theoretical or ideal numbers. You clearly said stamina DPS is easy in dungeons, so prove it.

I ran vDSA with a stamplar in group not long ago. On the final boss (around 6 million health) he pulled 39k single target damage against the boss. Probably died 5 times in the entire run, mostly due to bad positioning or situational awareness since it was very late.

SugaComa

I know my DPS isn't great but I find a lot of DPS these days my self included have to run with self heals cos pug healers are shockingly bad, I was set up for pure DPS around CP300 and I was dying constantly after asking the healer to lay down heals he replied why , I'm a DPS it's just faster to group as a healer

So now a lot of DPS have to be hybrid builds

Kanar

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And yeah, average (good, but not spectacular) dps is very easy on any class. I used to play stamplar and stamsorc at some point, and stam dk in the old vdsa days and didnt have any issues with survival or damage.

Ok, create a casual stamina build with casual gear and post your best combat metrics log against molag kena.

Since when Molag Kena is a dps test?
The fact that you suggest it says a lot.

Oh I didn't realize you only discuss theoretical or ideal numbers. You clearly said stamina DPS is easy in dungeons, so prove it.

I ran vDSA with a stamplar in group not long ago. On the final boss (around 6 million health) he pulled 39k single target damage against the boss. Probably died 5 times in the entire run, mostly due to bad positioning or situational awareness since it was very late.

I didn't say it was impossible. Just not easy and that some boss mechanics make it difficult, a point which flew over his head.

LadyNalcarya

Kanar wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And yeah, average (good, but not spectacular) dps is very easy on any class. I used to play stamplar and stamsorc at some point, and stam dk in the old vdsa days and didnt have any issues with survival or damage.

Ok, create a casual stamina build with casual gear and post your best combat metrics log against molag kena.

Since when Molag Kena is a dps test?
The fact that you suggest it says a lot.

Oh I didn't realize you only discuss theoretical or ideal numbers. You clearly said stamina DPS is easy in dungeons, so prove it.

I ran vDSA with a stamplar in group not long ago. On the final boss (around 6 million health) he pulled 39k single target damage against the boss. Probably died 5 times in the entire run, mostly due to bad positioning or situational awareness since it was very late.

I didn't say it was impossible. Just not easy and that some boss mechanics make it difficult, a point which flew over his head.

Good job debunking the point you've made yourself.
Dps numbers differ from boss to boss, Ive never argued that.
But I'm curious, what did you want to see on that Kena parse?

agingerinohio

On my Templar healer running SPC and Worm, I once ended up doing 75-ish% of the group damage in vet Blessed Crucible. Ended up tanking too. Why was this the case? The DD's were very low cp light attack bow spammers and the tank was too busy not holding taunt and was insulting me for pulling off healing, DD and tanking. Why did I put up with this? I just wanted to complete the pledge as I had already sat in the group finder queue for around 20 minutes. Very same dungeon I was called an elitist for explaining the last boss mechanics.

Tasear

coop500 wrote: »

Not exactly what's being talked about here, but I feel it's related.

Do randoms expect the healer to do a lot of DPS now? A few days back I went into a vet dungeon, Selene's Web to be exact, we had two DPS, a tank and I was a templar healer. One DPS was a vampire khajiit NB, I think Magicka, the other was a high elf Magicka Sorc, tank was a Warden.

I had the lowest CP at the moment, 180, but no one really died on us and tank wasn't throwing heals like a madman so I assume I was doing alright. Problem was this high elf sorc, she ALWAYS stood behind me and hard casted frags and kept her two pets up, that's pretty much all she did. Everytime I moved to stand behind her, so my heals and buffs would hit her, she'd move away again.

Since we were doing okay though I decided not to say anything, the khajiit and tank seemed happy as well (saying gg and such when we did the mini bosses like the 4 shadow cats)

Then we got the the final boss, this is when we started having troubles. The sorc couldn't hide behind me so much because there were adds everywhere shooting arrows. The khajiit died a few times but mainly that elf, she was so squishy but also wasn't doing much damage. Tank told us to start killing more adds, so I did as much DPS as I could but keeping that elf alive was sucking my resources while she was not pulling her weight.

I don't have any addons to tell me who was doing the most DPS but I suspect it was the kahjiit, she had some nice AOE and used her des staff ult, saw her kill plenty of adds but she can't do it entirely by herself. We wiped once before I decided to ignore the elf a bit more and keep the vamp khajiit buffed while throwing more shards at adds and tank. We almost killed her but a few times I rezed the elf, probably a mistake because she got me killed a few times, whch in turn caused the team to wipe.

Anyway, one more wipe after I and the tank messed up and got killed by that green bear attack. Tank decided to kick the elf then to get new DPS. I agreed and explained the issue earlier with her standing behind me and dying so much. I admit we should have took the effort to explain to her what was wrong before kicking, but I just wanted to get through this, I wasn't even supposed to be here I wanted to finish my pledges and that wasn't a pledge.

Now comes the important part (lol) after we got a new DPS, the tank decided to kick ME! When I asked why through whispers, he just said sorry, we need more DPS.

We didn't even try with the new DPS we got, we were still standing on that log waiting for him to show up. I could have done more DPS without the elf if they gave me a chance with the new DPS, but nope. His excuse after I told him that was 'well you'are a healer, you'll get another dungeon easy'

I still wasted a hour and the cost of repairs for almost nothing. I didn't do the quest yet so in a way, I also lost a skillpoint which I could have used. So my question is, do people often kick healers for not enough DPS? When clearly there was a bad DPS on the team and was taken care of?

Sounds like you got kicked for your CP. I would assume the new dd found you a eye sore. Either way you my sympathy.


For that dungeon, easier way to do it is postioning. After wards slow down the adds, place circle of protection on questionable members, maybe apply quick siphon.Also, you could've slot mending, check your weapon enchaments. Maybe sure everyone slots a shield. Make sure everyone has food, because I swear some of these cp 630s have to be buying their accounts


Never forget you are the healer. You job is simply keep people alive. Any more is extra. Who failed here was damage dealer. So next time if nothing above works, and if people are not listening...then you must suggest to kick first. Lastly a sad truth, but once you level up nobody going to kick you. They will simply recongize