About soul assault..

Sarato

is this skill too powerful?

ak_pvp

Yes.

Waffennacht

No.

Chufu

Yes, when you don't have ressources to block/dodge/heal.

No, when you can stun the target, go out of Line-of-sight (LOS).

Sarato

Chufu wrote: »

Yes, when you don't have ressources to block/dodge/heal.

No, when you can stun the target, go out of Line-of-sight (LOS).

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Lord-Otto

Only effective at killing noobs. Therefore hardly worth the slot if you expect some knowledgable enemies.

Chilly-McFreeze

Chufu wrote: »

Yes, when you don't have ressources to block/dodge/heal.

No, when you can stun the target, go out of Line-of-sight (LOS).

SA grants the caster cc immunity. So no stun.

Brutusmax1mus

I use it mainly to drain stamina or shields, however it does kill baddies often. I've used it to provide cc immunity before to haha.

TheDoomsdayMonster

I used to use it...

It's excellent for killing weakened or inexperienced players...

You won't be beating the upper tier players with it however; there are just too many effective ways to counter this ability for my tastes...

I get better results by combining Devouring Swarm + Puncturing Sweeps than I did with Soul Assault...

Beardimus

What? No way. It's a noob cannon for sure. Aside from that it kills no one but the unaware half dead. It has SO many counters.

It needs a buff of anything, the only skill tree does

br0steen

Whats the counter besides LOS or healing/warding through it? Or are those the MANY counters?

TheDoomsdayMonster

At one point in time, Soul Assault could be Cleansed...

Nightblades can break this ability with Cloak...

Any competent Templar (as well as Strongly built Stamina characters) that's not out of Resources will heal through it without much difficulty...

Sorcs can easily shield through it...

Reverb

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I use it mainly to drain stamina or shields, however it does kill baddies often. I've used it to provide cc immunity before to haha.

This sums it up well for me as well. It's useful against perma-rolldodge or permanent-shield builds. It won't kill them, but it gives me a chance against them that I wouldn't have otherwise. People seem to hate when their build has counters though.

Hoked_on_ponix

In no cp SA is debilitating to a stamina user. Only counter is to heal, block, and pray. The 70% snare makes in about impossible to LOS.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Soul Assault can also flat out be overpowered...

Me and another player once surprised each other...

He immediately hit Soul Assault...

I hit Devouring Swarm and started using Puncturing Sweeps...

I killed him easily...

Soul Assault ties you down unable to do anything else for 3+ seconds; that's just too long against the better players...

s7732425ub17_ESO

Removing the counter to Soul Assault (interrupt) makes the skill too strong. Especially in no-CP PVP- Soul Assault outputs 10-15k DPS, and this is extremely hard to counter without CP.

DeHei

It is strong, yes. But you shouldnt play on an open field against magickaplayer. Staminabuilds have there strenght in tactical fighting. This has more potencial but need more experience too. You need to make pressure and then run away to restore ressources. Go out from line of sight to reduce damage and other... Magickabuilds are much slower.. You will allways win a fight with hit and run.. Anytime you will cc and burst in right moment and kill that opponent.
Really you should not have stress with this 1 ult..

GrumpyDuckling

Soul Assault is fine. Eye is too powerful because it remains active while gap closing.

ak_pvp

It doesn't do much damage, and opens up the caster to attacks since its a channel, but it also opens you up to death by draining stam if blocking, slowing and being near uncounterable. People do it from the comfort of their group so you are pretty much screwed.

Meh in 1v1s. OP in open world.

Lord-Otto

Well, if in zergs, be thankful they didn't save the ult for destros!
(^_-)

ChildOfLight

Sarato wrote: »

is this skill too powerful?

Yes if you cant use Streak or Cloak.

Basically if you are a Dk, you're dead.

Minno

Beardimus wrote: »

What? No way. It's a noob cannon for sure. Aside from that it kills no one but the unaware half dead. It has SO many counters.

It needs a buff of anything, the only skill tree does

Like Jesus beam/DK burst strategies, only an idiot would use this ultimate with the expectation that it's doing to bring an enemy from full health to execute range.

Much better to burn down to below 50% health and then cc+rip for that sweet sexy burn.

Waffennacht

Minno wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

What? No way. It's a noob cannon for sure. Aside from that it kills no one but the unaware half dead. It has SO many counters.

It needs a buff of anything, the only skill tree does

Like Jesus beam/DK burst strategies, only an idiot would use this ultimate with the expectation that it's doing to bring an enemy from full health to execute range.

Much better to burn down to below 50% health and then cc+rip for that sweet sexy burn.

Sorcs and Wardens can also combo it with Curse and Shalk. However I agree with some above comments, It's mostly useful in the resource war

SilverWF

This is extremely powerful skill for this cost.

Just compare number at the same character (stam NB) with the same gear and buffs:
Toxic barrage (bow ult) - 175 cost - 27k channel per 4.1 sec + 20k DOT per 8 sec. Obviously, requires a bow.
Soul Assault - 100 cost - 32k channel* per 3.5 sec, 70% snare and 2 sec anti-stealth. No special requirements.
* - Damage numbers from mages would be ~60k channel here.

With nearly 2 times less cost Soul Assault has nearly 1.5 times more damage. This is BS. A damage must be toned down (by ~40% and some debuff removed) or cost increased (up to 200 ult).

Waffennacht

SilverWF wrote: »

This is extremely powerful skill for this cost.

Just compare number at the same character (stam NB) with the same gear and buffs:
Toxic barrage (bow ult) - 175 cost - 27k channel per 4.1 sec + 20k DOT per 8 sec. Obviously, requires a bow.
Soul Assault - 100 cost - 32k channel* per 3.5 sec, 70% snare and 2 sec anti-stealth. No special requirements.
* - Damage numbers from mages would be ~60k channel here.

With nearly 2 times less cost Soul Assault has nearly 1.5 times more damage. This is BS. A damage must be toned down (by ~40% and some debuff removed) or cost increased (up to 200 ult).

Or just make the bow ult like not worthless

Solariken

SilverWF wrote: »

This is extremely powerful skill for this cost.

Just compare number at the same character (stam NB) with the same gear and buffs:
Toxic barrage (bow ult) - 175 cost - 27k channel per 4.1 sec + 20k DOT per 8 sec. Obviously, requires a bow.
Soul Assault - 100 cost - 32k channel* per 3.5 sec, 70% snare and 2 sec anti-stealth. No special requirements.
* - Damage numbers from mages would be ~60k channel here.

With nearly 2 times less cost Soul Assault has nearly 1.5 times more damage. This is BS. A damage must be toned down (by ~40% and some debuff removed) or cost increased (up to 200 ult).

Nice analysis but the solution is to buff the bow ult, not nerf soul assault.

Koolio

Blocking this on a Stam character drain roughly 20k stam. Meteor 2800ish.

Sarato

Solariken wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

This is extremely powerful skill for this cost.

Just compare number at the same character (stam NB) with the same gear and buffs:
Toxic barrage (bow ult) - 175 cost - 27k channel per 4.1 sec + 20k DOT per 8 sec. Obviously, requires a bow.
Soul Assault - 100 cost - 32k channel* per 3.5 sec, 70% snare and 2 sec anti-stealth. No special requirements.
* - Damage numbers from mages would be ~60k channel here.

With nearly 2 times less cost Soul Assault has nearly 1.5 times more damage. This is BS. A damage must be toned down (by ~40% and some debuff removed) or cost increased (up to 200 ult).

Nice analysis but the solution is to buff the bow ult, not nerf soul assault.

Well the Bow Ult is already amazingly strong..

lucky_Sage

its weak by it self but when 2 or more its 12k to 18k dmg per person and with only counter los or block not over powered just annoying sometime and weak and strong at the same time think it should be changed to a range single target burst ult with a short cast time and keep it like at .5 sec beam so not dodgle able but keep it block-able and remove cc immunity

Beardimus

I'm really surprised people fond this strong. It has so many counters. When it first got buffed I ran it for ages and had some kills. Now 95% of players just block or heal thru it.

I've literally only killed the odd noob in a dual..its very far from being OP.. Unlike stamina in general and their meldly of OP proc sets

Sarato

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm really surprised people fond this strong. It has so many counters. When it first got buffed I ran it for ages and had some kills. Now 95% of players just block or heal thru it.

I've literally only killed the odd noob in a dual..its very far from being OP.. Unlike stamina in general and their meldly of OP proc sets

Yeah seems I'm only having trouble with it in 1vXs