suggestion adding major fracture to...

Raghul

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

paulsimonps

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I say it would probably be to strong in PvP, Poison Injection is used by basically every stamina toon in PvP cause of its strong DoT and Execute on that DoT, adding such a strong debuff would make it brokenly strong.

Qbiken

Stamina Warden also have access to Major Fracture.

Raghul

paulsimonps wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I say it would probably be to strong in PvP, Poison Injection is used by basically every stamina toon in PvP cause of its strong DoT and Execute on that DoT, adding such a strong debuff would make it brokenly strong.

Well it would help for sure against very tanky players in pvp, at least it isn't an extra proc you get ^^
But thanks for your feedback, i am sure there might be other suggestions to help get bow builds, stamplars and stamsorcs major fracture without overpowering one skill tho

Raghul

Qbiken wrote: »

Stamina Warden also have access to Major Fracture.

Yes indeed, every class can get it except for stamplar and stamsorc

paulsimonps

It is true also that its much easier for magicka toons to get access to Major Breach, since it can come from Destro Staff but only Stamina weapon with Major Fracture is One Handed and Shield.

Major Fracture (Decrease physical resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Puncture+Morhps
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Nightblade Shadow Ability: Surprise Attack (Morph of Veiled Strike)
• Dragonknight Ardent Flame Ability: Noxious Breath (Morph of Fiery Breath)
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

Major Breach (Decrease spell resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Pierce Armor (Morph of Puncture)
• Destruction Staff Ability: Weakness to Elements+Morphs
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

Raghul

paulsimonps wrote: »

It is true also that its much easier for magicka toons to get access to Major Breach, since it can come from Destro Staff but only Stamina weapon with Major Fracture is One Handed and Shield.

Major Fracture (Decrease physical resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Puncture+Morhps
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Nightblade Shadow Ability: Surprise Attack (Morph of Veiled Strike)
• Dragonknight Ardent Flame Ability: Noxious Breath (Morph of Fiery Breath)
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

Major Breach (Decrease spell resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Pierce Armor (Morph of Puncture)
• Destruction Staff Ability: Weakness to Elements+Morphs
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

Thanks for adding a clear overview of everything

Fvh09NL

Maybe put it on the volley morphs? Would work for pve and no one uses it in pvp.

Raghul

I guess adding major fracture to rending slashes could also work ( but then again 2h/bow builds for pve still don't have acces to major fracture)
Or adding major fracture to trap beast, this would imo not be overpowered to that skill because in pvp it is already hard enough to trap a player, in vma it could work nice as you can place trap on bossfight and on spawning portals, and it doesn't make stamsorcs and stamplars any stronger in trials because major fracture is already applied by tanks.

Raghul

Fvh09NL wrote: »

Maybe put it on the volley morphs? Would work for pve and no one uses it in pvp.

That would be a nice idea also, first aoe debuff for major fracture, would be good on aoe fights,
Thanks for your input

Raghul

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GreenSoup2HoT

Fvh09NL wrote: »

Maybe put it on the volley morphs? Would work for pve and no one uses it in pvp.

no. stamina dps would be 50% volley with vMA bow lol.

Raghul

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Fvh09NL wrote: »

Maybe put it on the volley morphs? Would work for pve and no one uses it in pvp.

no. stamina dps would be 50% volley with vMA bow lol.

well each stamina dps will get better damage on aoe fights with that, and then stam aoe might catch up with magicka aoe abit better ^^ but on single targets fights damage would remain the same as major fracture is already applied by tank ^^

Asardes

Stamina Templar has access to an ability that copies damage and does minor breach & fracture and sorcerer has passive heals and execute abilities. If they also had major breach and fracture it would make them overpowered. Giving all classes same abilities under different names would ruin the diversity.

Xvorg

paulsimonps wrote: »

It is true also that its much easier for magicka toons to get access to Major Breach, since it can come from Destro Staff but only Stamina weapon with Major Fracture is One Handed and Shield.

Major Fracture (Decrease physical resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Puncture+Morhps
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Nightblade Shadow Ability: Surprise Attack (Morph of Veiled Strike)
• Dragonknight Ardent Flame Ability: Noxious Breath (Morph of Fiery Breath)
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

Major Breach (Decrease spell resistance by 5280)

• One Hand and Shield Ability: Pierce Armor (Morph of Puncture)
• Destruction Staff Ability: Weakness to Elements+Morphs
• Nightblade Assassination Ability: Mark Target+Morphs
• Warden Animal Companion Ability: Subterranean Assault (Morph of Scorch)

And mark works only with one enemy at time

Xvorg

Raghul wrote: »

I guess adding major fracture to rending slashes could also work ( but then again 2h/bow builds for pve still don't have acces to major fracture)
Or adding major fracture to trap beast, this would imo not be overpowered to that skill because in pvp it is already hard enough to trap a player, in vma it could work nice as you can place trap on bossfight and on spawning portals, and it doesn't make stamsorcs and stamplars any stronger in trials because major fracture is already applied by tanks.

No, rending slashes will be the strokest skill with infused weapons.

Trap is not hard to use it. You need to put it at your feet and then lure

Chilly-McFreeze

Asardes wrote: »

Stamina Templar has access to an ability that copies damage and does minor breach & fracture and sorcerer has passive heals and execute abilities. If they also had major breach and fracture it would make them overpowered. Giving all classes same abilities under different names would ruin the diversity.

What class debuffs does the common 2h + bow stam sorc has access to again?

Edit: Also, Implosion... 1 of the 5 or 6 class passives that are usefull for a stamina sorc is RNG based. Right, half ot the passives are not of good use for stam. I'd trade that RNG passive in a sec for anything reliably usefull.

Strider_Roshin

Adding major fracture to Magnum Shot wouldn't be a terrible idea.

SirSocke

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

paulsimonps

SirSocke wrote: »

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

But all Magicka users gets access to major Breach AND light armor has a 4884 penetration passive, medium armor does not.

dsalter

or we could go another route and rather than take away from magicka or give more from tankier skills, why not change dual wield twin slashes and 2h basic cleave bleeds to apply minor/major life steal?
gives 2 of the lesser used skills more utility for all then just put the 2 morphs for both skills together into one morph and make the other morph become the one that can major breach.
so then you can choose between a slow+heal from twinslashes or major breach and cleave can choose between heroism+shields or major breach.
cleave being better since it allows you to apply breach to everything infront of you while twin slashes lets you have lifesteal+breach on targets of your choice

leepalmer95

Every class shouldn't have access to everything.

LiquidPony

SirSocke wrote: »

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

But all Magicka users gets access to major Breach AND light armor has a 4884 penetration passive, medium armor does not.

But Magicka users do not have have pen/debuff sets like Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame, or Twice-Fanged Serpent ... they have Spinner's, which is a Spriggan's equivalent, but it's not a debuff like NMG/Sunderflame and it's not as strong as Twice-Fanged.

And who cares what Magicka builds do or don't have? What's that got to do with stamina builds?

Raghul

I think it is only fair everyone should get acces to an armor debuff, why leave stamplar and stamsorc out of this, ok these classes have their nice little perks but so does the other classes on top of getting their armor debuffs.
They don't need to get it in their class skill lines per se, but i am sure we can add it to weapon skill lines as many of the morphs are just meh anyway.

LiquidPony

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I don't see the point.

Every build doesn't need access to every buff and debuff. Why homogenize everything?

Raghul

LiquidPony wrote: »

SirSocke wrote: »

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

But all Magicka users gets access to major Breach AND light armor has a 4884 penetration passive, medium armor does not.

But Magicka users do not have have pen/debuff sets like Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame, or Twice-Fanged Serpent ...

And who cares what Magicka builds do or don't have? What's that got to do with stamina builds?

Thats not the point actually, giving major fracture also opens build diversity, so stamsorc and stamplar can use something else also for vma for instance then NMG and still get penetration.

Chilly-McFreeze

LiquidPony wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I don't see the point.

Every build doesn't need access to every buff and debuff. Why homogenize everything?

While I'm all against homogenizing everything I might ask again what debuffs a stam sorc has access to from his class skills.

leepalmer95

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I don't see the point.

Every build doesn't need access to every buff and debuff. Why homogenize everything?

While I'm all against homogenizing everything I might ask again what debuffs a stam sorc has access to from his class skills.

Does he need one with an auto aoe execute paired with an armor buff with a dot higher than most actual dots...

LiquidPony

Raghul wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

SirSocke wrote: »

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

But all Magicka users gets access to major Breach AND light armor has a 4884 penetration passive, medium armor does not.

But Magicka users do not have have pen/debuff sets like Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame, or Twice-Fanged Serpent ...

And who cares what Magicka builds do or don't have? What's that got to do with stamina builds?

Thats not the point actually, giving major fracture also opens build diversity, so stamsorc and stamplar can use something else also for vma for instance then NMG and still get penetration.

So you're saying that stamsorcs should be able to run the exact same gear as stamblades, and that's "build diversity?"

LiquidPony

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

There are currently 2 classes that don't have major fracture, wich is ok because they do have other benefits.
Those 2 classes are stamina templar and stamina sorcerer.
They have no way to get major fracture in solo play, be it vma or simply fighting at a dummie.
Without overpowering those classes and still allowing them to get major fracture somewhere i would suggest
Adding major fracture to one of the bow abilities,
I would say poison injection as this ability is mostly used by stamina players in pve dps setups.
In trials this would mean nothing because tanks already apply major fracture but for solo play this could be a nice addition for both bow builds and those 2 classes in particular.
Any thought about this i would gladly hear it.

Nate

I don't see the point.

Every build doesn't need access to every buff and debuff. Why homogenize everything?

While I'm all against homogenizing everything I might ask again what debuffs a stam sorc has access to from his class skills.

So? Why does that matter?

Stamsorcs and stamplars are both very strong, and they both have all sorts of unique and interesting skills and passives.

Raghul

LiquidPony wrote: »

Raghul wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

SirSocke wrote: »

What about no?

Every class has its benefits. And not every class should have all!

But all Magicka users gets access to major Breach AND light armor has a 4884 penetration passive, medium armor does not.

But Magicka users do not have have pen/debuff sets like Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame, or Twice-Fanged Serpent ...

And who cares what Magicka builds do or don't have? What's that got to do with stamina builds?

Thats not the point actually, giving major fracture also opens build diversity, so stamsorc and stamplar can use something else also for vma for instance then NMG and still get penetration.

So you're saying that stamsorcs should be able to run the exact same gear as stamblades, and that's "build diversity?"

Thats pretty short sighted, so many different gear sets these days for stam that are nice, but not worth it when penetration is close to nihil.