stamblade pvp BIS after patch

Strider_Roshin

akray21 wrote: »

Defile, outside of incap, isn't that common. Dark flare, reverberating, and lethal arrow.

It's very common actually since wardens have an AoE Major Defile that they can place 28+10 meters away.

akray21

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Defile, outside of incap, isn't that common. Dark flare, reverberating, and lethal arrow.

It's very common actually since wardens have an AoE Major Defile that they can place 28+10 meters away.

I wasn't aware... That sounds OP. Are you talking about Frozen Gate? Because that's major maim.

Strider_Roshin

akray21 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Defile, outside of incap, isn't that common. Dark flare, reverberating, and lethal arrow.

It's very common actually since wardens have an AoE Major Defile that they can place 28+10 meters away.

I wasn't aware... That sounds OP. Are you talking about Frozen Gate? Because that's major maim.

Nope I'm talking about corrupting pollen, and yes it is OP; just like the Cliff Racer.

leepalmer95

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Defile, outside of incap, isn't that common. Dark flare, reverberating, and lethal arrow.

It's very common actually since wardens have an AoE Major Defile that they can place 28+10 meters away.

I wasn't aware... That sounds OP. Are you talking about Frozen Gate? Because that's major maim.

Nope I'm talking about corrupting pollen, and yes it is OP; just like the Cliff Racer.

Cliff racer is balanced what are you talking about

KingJ

akray21 wrote: »

For all the 2H stamblades, do you think the 2H maul will now be preferable over the 2H sword to help get back the penetration lost to the sharpened trait? Assuming the heavy armor meta will persist...

Ace is really good because of the bleed.

RazorCaltrops

akray21 wrote: »

For all the 2H stamblades, do you think the 2H maul will now be preferable over the 2H sword to help get back the penetration lost to the sharpened trait? Assuming the heavy armor meta will persist...

It depends on your target, but if we assume majority of the enemies wear heavy, then probably yes.

Let's say you equipped a sharpened Spriggan's maul. In this case:

%20 from 2H passive + 2752 from trait + 4000 from 5th bonus + 5280 from Surprise attack =

%20 from 2H passive + 12.032 penetration

Against a light and/or medium armor target you're already over penetrating with these values. More heavy armor enemies you encounter, more valuable maul becomes as the %20 bonus is calculated before all other penetration sources (against a 30k resist target, you'll have 6k penetration even before attacking)

Subject to change. Correct me if there's a mistake.

KingJ

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'm doing 5 Hunding's, 5 Bone Pirate, 1 Pirate Skeleton (Chuden works too).

2H is Nirnhoned with a weapon damage enchant.
Bow is Infused with Oblivion enchant.

Drink is Dubious Camoran Throne.

Mundus will be Warrior for CP. Serpent for non-CP.

Any questions?

@Strider_Roshin do you run vigor back bar or front bar?If back bar you better off using a nirn bow with weapon damage since so you wont have to switch bars every 1.1.5-2 seconds to proc obvilon.Have a infused front bar weapon and you would have a higher uptime on the enchantment.Plus use weapon damage on your back bar with the nirn will give a nice heal.

Strider_Roshin

KingJ wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'm doing 5 Hunding's, 5 Bone Pirate, 1 Pirate Skeleton (Chuden works too).

2H is Nirnhoned with a weapon damage enchant.
Bow is Infused with Oblivion enchant.

Drink is Dubious Camoran Throne.

Mundus will be Warrior for CP. Serpent for non-CP.

Any questions?

@Strider_Roshin do you run vigor back bar or front bar?If back bar you better off using a nirn bow with weapon damage since so you wont have to switch bars every 1.1.5-2 seconds to proc obvilon.Have a infused front bar weapon and you would have a higher uptime on the enchantment.Plus use weapon damage on your back bar with the nirn will give a nice heal.

That's not a bad idea. It seems a little cheesy but it might be more effective.

When I get 8 tempers I'll try it out, and see which I'm more successful with.

Strider_Roshin

@KingJ I could also use the Master's Bow on the back for more permanent up time.

QuebraRegra

I don't PVP with my STAMBLADE, but I notice that the SELENE bear seems to miss a lot in PVE. I can trigger it with shrouded daggers (although day low proc), but most the time it's more a light show than a help. Sometimes the bear shows up from where I threw my dagger, being far away from the actual target.

Also, does BLOODTHIRST not trigger SELENE? Sorry for this not being about PVP.

KingJ

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'm doing 5 Hunding's, 5 Bone Pirate, 1 Pirate Skeleton (Chuden works too).

2H is Nirnhoned with a weapon damage enchant.
Bow is Infused with Oblivion enchant.

Drink is Dubious Camoran Throne.

Mundus will be Warrior for CP. Serpent for non-CP.

Any questions?

@Strider_Roshin do you run vigor back bar or front bar?If back bar you better off using a nirn bow with weapon damage since so you wont have to switch bars every 1.1.5-2 seconds to proc obvilon.Have a infused front bar weapon and you would have a higher uptime on the enchantment.Plus use weapon damage on your back bar with the nirn will give a nice heal.

That's not a bad idea. It seems a little cheesy but it might be more effective.

When I get 8 tempers I'll try it out, and see which I'm more successful with.

Yea that 8 temps thing is what keep me from trying certain builds.It kind of cheesy but it's works.

The master bow is also a good idea.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Bone pirates for sure. To good of a set not to use. As far as the other set either spriggans or hundings. Spriggans penetration is going down although stamina will be going up. At the moment I run 5 bone pirate, 5 spriggans, 2 Selene. Monster helms will still be fine next patch, even if there is a que Selenes is procing.

Next patch I'm going to actually test bone pirate with Selene and twice born star. I plan on 4 or 5 pieces divines instead of impen and using either weapon damage and stamina mundus or weapon damage and shadow. Because the resources on sets are being raised and so are mundus values, TBS actually could be pretty good.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Selene eternal hunt and senche.

GreenSoup2HoT

Slime Claw ill be using on my stamnb. Tired of buffing up with relentless. Now i can use summon image or caltrops for group stuff.

It also looks pre bad ass. Now that is has crit ill use it for sure.

Trashs1

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Slime Claw ill be using on my stamnb. Tired of buffing up with relentless. Now i can use summon image or caltrops for group stuff.

It also looks pre bad ass. Now that is has crit ill use it for sure.

it only have 1k crit rating (i asumed from the patch notes a doble bonus so 2k) its not that great....

GreenSoup2HoT

Trashs1 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Slime Claw ill be using on my stamnb. Tired of buffing up with relentless. Now i can use summon image or caltrops for group stuff.

It also looks pre bad ass. Now that is has crit ill use it for sure.

it only have 1k crit rating (i asumed from the patch notes a doble bonus so 2k) its not that great....

yeah but its not cheese.

raasdal

NB meta is going to stay the same. At least for No CP. 5 x Eternal 5 x Viper 2 x Selene. Due to the nerf, Viper might get swapped out for something else. But it will probably still be BiS since the damage output is still the same. But other than that, they are just going to change out Sharpened weapons with infused with Oblivion enchant.

DisgracefulMind

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

its more an equip, after the viper selene ethernal hunt meta, topic^^

Just ignore him he hates NB.
Personally I think spriggans with Bone pirate will be really good next patch but Hounding Bone pirate with the new bonus to crit and recovery will be really good.

Shadow walker a great open world set Combining that with a new damage set will go a long way.Go Shadow walker jewelry and front bar a damage set could be very meta.

You do know sets like Spriggan's and Spinners had their penetration values nerfed pretty significantly....they will still be decent, but not anything close to what they are on live.

I thought they weren't nerfing the 5 pieces, only 1-4 bonuses were getting nerfed for pen. Or did I miss something o:

KingJ

Been messing around and theory crafting only thing I still find fun in this game.

If they fix Willow Path a nice setup could be 5 willow with a 5 piece damage set like senche could be a nice setup 1 slime claw,pirate or 1 bloodspawn.Combine that with relentless focus minor endurance you have 23% bonus to your stam recovery while in combat.On top of being a redguard or wood elf that's a big boost to recovery.

This build could be really strong If medium armor had any damn weapon damage boosting set like fury or seven legion or make automaton and swordsinger effect heals.

What is everyone thoughts on Night mothers embrace you can get the jewelry in robust and it has 2 weapon damage buffs

actosh

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I think fasallas guile could be awesome too, I know it's heavy (I'm a NB in heavy, I just like heavy armor) and the rings are healthy, but with this health regen getting hit from the defile debuffs I think it could be meta, even for medium armor NB. Yes you would lose stam for health but if your solo, or no one in group using it, this could be big. Just a thought.

I currently use seventh legion and spriggans, I think it will still be good also. But maybe with hundings stats boost it would be better than seventh legion now. Idk. Any thoughts? Cheers.

For maximum troll mode add duroks bane to it. Best to apply major defile to everyone attacking u for ten sec with a one sec cooldown.

Regarding 2hand maces/hammers: their pen is added as last factor. So they are not that strong. The less pen u have via skills cp and such the more effective hammers/maces get.

Trashs1

actosh wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I think fasallas guile could be awesome too, I know it's heavy (I'm a NB in heavy, I just like heavy armor) and the rings are healthy, but with this health regen getting hit from the defile debuffs I think it could be meta, even for medium armor NB. Yes you would lose stam for health but if your solo, or no one in group using it, this could be big. Just a thought.

I currently use seventh legion and spriggans, I think it will still be good also. But maybe with hundings stats boost it would be better than seventh legion now. Idk. Any thoughts? Cheers.

For maximum troll mode add duroks bane to it. Best to apply major defile to everyone attacking u for ten sec with a one sec cooldown.

Regarding 2hand maces/hammers: their pen is added as last factor. So they are not that strong. The less pen u have via skills cp and such the more effective hammers/maces get.

wow.. some ppl say the 20% pen is added before all other pen and u say the opposite.. whats now true?

TheRealSniker

Trashs1 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I think fasallas guile could be awesome too, I know it's heavy (I'm a NB in heavy, I just like heavy armor) and the rings are healthy, but with this health regen getting hit from the defile debuffs I think it could be meta, even for medium armor NB. Yes you would lose stam for health but if your solo, or no one in group using it, this could be big. Just a thought.

I currently use seventh legion and spriggans, I think it will still be good also. But maybe with hundings stats boost it would be better than seventh legion now. Idk. Any thoughts? Cheers.

For maximum troll mode add duroks bane to it. Best to apply major defile to everyone attacking u for ten sec with a one sec cooldown.

Regarding 2hand maces/hammers: their pen is added as last factor. So they are not that strong. The less pen u have via skills cp and such the more effective hammers/maces get.

wow.. some ppl say the 20% pen is added before all other pen and u say the opposite.. whats now true?

he is right

TheRealSniker

Why does noone consider Draugrhulk as something that could work? Is that set worth it?

actosh

Trashs1 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I think fasallas guile could be awesome too, I know it's heavy (I'm a NB in heavy, I just like heavy armor) and the rings are healthy, but with this health regen getting hit from the defile debuffs I think it could be meta, even for medium armor NB. Yes you would lose stam for health but if your solo, or no one in group using it, this could be big. Just a thought.

I currently use seventh legion and spriggans, I think it will still be good also. But maybe with hundings stats boost it would be better than seventh legion now. Idk. Any thoughts? Cheers.

For maximum troll mode add duroks bane to it. Best to apply major defile to everyone attacking u for ten sec with a one sec cooldown.

Regarding 2hand maces/hammers: their pen is added as last factor. So they are not that strong. The less pen u have via skills cp and such the more effective hammers/maces get.

wow.. some ppl say the 20% pen is added before all other pen and u say the opposite.. whats now true?

It has been tested and confirmed by a lot of ppl.
@Jeckll for example mentioms this as well in his nb guide @ tamrielfoundry.com.

If maces would their pen before all other sources they would be damn strong.

Jeckll

actosh wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I think fasallas guile could be awesome too, I know it's heavy (I'm a NB in heavy, I just like heavy armor) and the rings are healthy, but with this health regen getting hit from the defile debuffs I think it could be meta, even for medium armor NB. Yes you would lose stam for health but if your solo, or no one in group using it, this could be big. Just a thought.

I currently use seventh legion and spriggans, I think it will still be good also. But maybe with hundings stats boost it would be better than seventh legion now. Idk. Any thoughts? Cheers.

For maximum troll mode add duroks bane to it. Best to apply major defile to everyone attacking u for ten sec with a one sec cooldown.

Regarding 2hand maces/hammers: their pen is added as last factor. So they are not that strong. The less pen u have via skills cp and such the more effective hammers/maces get.

wow.. some ppl say the 20% pen is added before all other pen and u say the opposite.. whats now true?

It has been tested and confirmed by a lot of ppl.
@Jeckll for example mentioms this as well in his nb guide @ tamrielfoundry.com.

If maces would their pen before all other sources they would be damn strong.

Mace applies like this, after armor debuffs:

Dredlord

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Slime Claw ill be using on my stamnb. Tired of buffing up with relentless. Now i can use summon image or caltrops for group stuff.

It also looks pre bad ass. Now that is has crit ill use it for sure.

it only have 1k crit rating (i asumed from the patch notes a doble bonus so 2k) its not that great....

yeah but its not cheese.

What you do is cheese bro dont kid yourself...

Trashs1

thx for clarification on maces @Jeckll @actosh @TheRealSniker

deepseamk20b14_ESO

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

its more an equip, after the viper selene ethernal hunt meta, topic^^

Just ignore him he hates NB.
Personally I think spriggans with Bone pirate will be really good next patch but Hounding Bone pirate with the new bonus to crit and recovery will be really good.

Shadow walker a great open world set Combining that with a new damage set will go a long way.Go Shadow walker jewelry and front bar a damage set could be very meta.

You do know sets like Spriggan's and Spinners had their penetration values nerfed pretty significantly....they will still be decent, but not anything close to what they are on live.

I thought they weren't nerfing the 5 pieces, only 1-4 bonuses were getting nerfed for pen. Or did I miss something o:

I also heard from someone who was on PTS that the 5 pc bonus on spriggans is unchanged.

casparian

akray21 wrote: »

Defile, outside of incap, isn't that common. Dark flare, reverberating, and lethal arrow.

Umm

actosh

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

its more an equip, after the viper selene ethernal hunt meta, topic^^

Just ignore him he hates NB.
Personally I think spriggans with Bone pirate will be really good next patch but Hounding Bone pirate with the new bonus to crit and recovery will be really good.

Shadow walker a great open world set Combining that with a new damage set will go a long way.Go Shadow walker jewelry and front bar a damage set could be very meta.

You do know sets like Spriggan's and Spinners had their penetration values nerfed pretty significantly....they will still be decent, but not anything close to what they are on live.

I thought they weren't nerfing the 5 pieces, only 1-4 bonuses were getting nerfed for pen. Or did I miss something o:

I also heard from someone who was on PTS that the 5 pc bonus on spriggans is unchanged.

5piece on spriggan remains untouched.