What on earth are you doing to the dye system??

emilyhyoyeon

I don't understand how crown store dye stamps are more vibrant colors. I preview the dyes (with the argonian outfits which also have the dullness problem) and they're all dull. The crown store dye stamps borrow colors from in-game achievable dyes. How does this work? I've never seen dye stamps that aren't in-game dyes (besides the holiday ones - spring, July, etc)

Caligamy_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If I was truely cynical Id say theyre intentionally making dying in game for free a terrible experience. Where everything is dull or just rather bland. This way those dyes in the store look more attractive. I would not be surprised if the dyes in the store look much better on these outfits.

So basically what they're doing with the rest of the game then?

MarbleQuiche

I wonder how SWTOR is doing. That is, after all, the revenue model they're copying.

I've not bought this because the last one was a disaster with dyes. I lost interest in housing because it's a grind and useless. I don't have any characters to level. I've got nothing to spend money on. What's crafting actually good for?

Is there a point to ESO+?

Hello ZOS, don't you want my money? I'm probably a whale, but you're somehow managing to flip me off to the point I don't care about subscribing or buying anything.

Still really curious about SWTOR. Did I somehow miss how successful it actually is?

MornaBaine

xaraan wrote: »

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

Hey guys,
We've had to remove a few posts from this thread for getting offensive. Let's keep on topic to the thread discussion on dyes.

Hmm, can we get two different types of "Zos Comments" note on threads. So we can see the difference between a thread that has real feedback from devs vs moderation comments?

This has been asked for many times. The apparent answer is, "NO."

MornaBaine

On the subject of red dyes...

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

Actually those dyes are in game. All three colors can be unlocked. I believe thats Khenarthi Red, Jode Red and Obsidian Black.

Khenarthis Red can be unlocked with the Khenarthis Roost Pathfinder Achievement.
Jode Red can be unlocked with the Reapers March Master Explorer Achievement
Obsidian Black can be unlocked with the Expert Deconstructor Achievement.

Some of the dyes are okay...But far too many and even the most popular dyes unlocked in game look terrible on these new costumes.

I have all of the dyes you list and just tested them and no, NONE of them are the dyes in the pic of the new costume. I was hoping against hope ZOS would do the right thing here... but they have not.

Lylith

ecru wrote: »

Not buying any more costumes until this is fixed. Been burned twice with these last few costumes and I'm not too happy about it.

The newest two costumes also need to be retroactively fixed to accept dyes like everything else.

the newest three, i'd say.

Vapirko

This also happens with a fair amount of armor as well, not including monster sets which often look like ***. The mercenary style is one that really gets to me, the chest piece at least in heavy doesn't accept dyes the same way as whatever else you're wearing. Super annoying.

Recremen

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I don't understand how crown store dye stamps are more vibrant colors. I preview the dyes (with the argonian outfits which also have the dullness problem) and they're all dull. The crown store dye stamps borrow colors from in-game achievable dyes. How does this work? I've never seen dye stamps that aren't in-game dyes (besides the holiday ones - spring, July, etc)

@emilyhyoyeon

They're referring specifically to the holiday ones, yeah. The other ones work, as far as I've seen, precisely like their in-game counterparts.

Recremen

Vapirko wrote: »

This also happens with a fair amount of armor as well, not including monster sets which often look like ***. The mercenary style is one that really gets to me, the chest piece at least in heavy doesn't accept dyes the same way as whatever else you're wearing. Super annoying.

Oh my gosh absolutely. I really need to put together a master post of all the aesthetic-related things that are going wrong in this game. I just don't like being so negative because there are so many things going so right in the aesthetics department, like basically every Imperial costume. But then we've had some pretty junky Breton outfits, some lovely Argonian outfits that just don't dye or have huge undyeable areas, and now this new line of beautiful Dunmer outfits that can't take a dye properly. This is not the direction to go!!

nimander99

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If I was truely cynical Id say theyre intentionally making dying in game for free a terrible experience. Where everything is dull or just rather bland. This way those dyes in the store look more attractive. I would not be surprised if the dyes in the store look much better on these outfits.

Nothing would ever drive to buy dyes from the store unless they were permanent. The dye packs they have now are possibly the dumbest idea a developer has ever executed in an in game store... Whether they look better or not... Just stupid.

Yet they are being purchased as we see time and time again new options. They wouldnt reinvest resources if it wasnt doing the trick.

I personally havent seen or at least noticed anyone with these dyes. But at the same time Im not looking for it and my experience in game is only anecdotal. So is yours and your personal opinion, and thats really all it is, doesnt mean these dyes arent selling.

@Korah_Eaglecry I have seen only two people in game sporting dye pack gear and that was during the Witche's Festival, the orange and black combo was probably the best color scheme they've dropped. Still, I didn't buy it because it isn't permanent... And I believe the VAST majority of spenders do not buy dye's, its why we always see limited time offers on them and constant cycling. Zenimax is trying reeeeeeeeeally hard to sell the dye packs, it just isn't working. (Of course I understand this is my subjective opinion).

I have asked in my 5 guilds if anyone buys dye's from the crown store and between the 1000+ people who respond its always lels... And I play in guilds that shop on the CS, mostly pve rp and crafting guilds, so we are all, very much into the 'look' and 'feel' of our avatar's.

LadyNalcarya

Ah well. Wanted to buy this costume but it looks like I'm not going to.
For me, dye system is one of the big reasons to use ESO+ (well, after craft bag of course), and I just hate when it doesnt work properly on certain motives or costumes.

Linaleah

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

Actually those dyes are in game. All three colors can be unlocked. I believe thats Khenarthi Red, Jode Red and Obsidian Black.

Khenarthis Red can be unlocked with the Khenarthis Roost Pathfinder Achievement.
Jode Red can be unlocked with the Reapers March Master Explorer Achievement
Obsidian Black can be unlocked with the Expert Deconstructor Achievement.

Some of the dyes are okay...But far too many and even the most popular dyes unlocked in game look terrible on these new costumes.

its not any of those colors. trust me, I have tried. sorry if its already been said, but... the kind of disappointment i have felt when trying to dye my DK's outfit rich red, only to get... faded pinks? cannot be overstated.

LadyNalcarya

max_only wrote: »

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

That's cheap Zos lol cmon

I wouldnt say thats cheap...
Especially considering that dye stamps arent just 1 use items, theyre 1 use limited edition items. Even if you're not against buying dye stamps, good luck with buying orange dye in June or red one in September.
Honestly, I'd buy permanent dye unlocks (and maybe something more interesting, like pattern overlay dyes or something like that), but the fact that dyes are limited to 1 use and colors are limited to rl holidays... Thats just silly.

bottleofsyrup

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I don't understand how crown store dye stamps are more vibrant colors. I preview the dyes (with the argonian outfits which also have the dullness problem) and they're all dull. The crown store dye stamps borrow colors from in-game achievable dyes. How does this work? I've never seen dye stamps that aren't in-game dyes (besides the holiday ones - spring, July, etc)

The dye stamps referenced in this thread are using dyes not obtainable in-game. We saw this first with the Witches Festival when they released dye stamps with a very nice, vibrant orange (I think it was called Hundred Pumpkin Orange), and again during the Jester's Festival when they released those really nice purple and gold dyes through dye stamps.

The current ones use the Crown Store-only dyes Patriots' Blood, Immaculate White and True Blue. The Stamp-exclusive dyes seem to recolor their dye channels entirely instead of just "tinting" like many other dyes.

Dye Stamp-exclusive dyes need to be unlocked permanently upon purchase of the stamp or ZOS needs to give us an option to buy the dyes outright. They also need to work on costumes dying better as OP said. Finally, give us an intensity/opacity slider when dying so we can control just how much a dye impacts costumes and armor.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert Could this thread be forwarded to the art team?

Recremen

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I don't understand how crown store dye stamps are more vibrant colors. I preview the dyes (with the argonian outfits which also have the dullness problem) and they're all dull. The crown store dye stamps borrow colors from in-game achievable dyes. How does this work? I've never seen dye stamps that aren't in-game dyes (besides the holiday ones - spring, July, etc)

The dye stamps referenced in this thread are using dyes not obtainable in-game. We saw this first with the Witches Festival when they released dye stamps with a very nice, vibrant orange (I think it was called Hundred Pumpkin Orange), and again during the Jester's Festival when they released those really nice purple and gold dyes through dye stamps.

The current ones use the Crown Store-only dyes Patriots' Blood, Immaculate White and True Blue. The Stamp-exclusive dyes seem to recolor their dye channels entirely instead of just "tinting" like many other dyes.

Dye Stamp-exclusive dyes need to be unlocked permanently upon purchase of the stamp or ZOS needs to give us an option to buy the dyes outright. They also need to work on costumes dying better as OP said. Finally, give us an intensity/opacity slider when dying so we can control just how much a dye impacts costumes and armor.

Well I'm glad at least that idea is catching on. Like how do they NOT stand to make boatloads of money off of that? Is there some issue with the colors being too far off the official palette to be allowed to stick around? Because they definitely already are sticking around well past their associated holidays, I still sometimes see folks running around in some of those retired holiday colors even now. Let me throw money at it too, but in the way I want!

Korah_Eaglecry

I guess if we see more costumes coming out with issues regarding dying we'll have a better idea if theyre purposely messing with the textures so that only the purchased stamps look as vibrant on costumes.

Mettaricana

Fix the damn dyes sick of all my reds being brown either make the dyes the color shown or replace the pallete with the acyual bland color so we know what disappointment awaits

qsnoopyjr

This is ESO,

They like to make everything look "back in the old days"

"Back in the old days", cloths wasnt pretty, therefore, cloths aint pretty in ESO.

Recremen

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

This is ESO,

They like to make everything look "back in the old days"

"Back in the old days", cloths wasnt pretty, therefore, cloths aint pretty in ESO.

@qsnoopyjr

This is incorrect.











I have lots more if you need further examples.

emilyhyoyeon

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I don't understand how crown store dye stamps are more vibrant colors. I preview the dyes (with the argonian outfits which also have the dullness problem) and they're all dull. The crown store dye stamps borrow colors from in-game achievable dyes. How does this work? I've never seen dye stamps that aren't in-game dyes (besides the holiday ones - spring, July, etc)

Dye Stamp-exclusive dyes need to be unlocked permanently upon purchase of the stamp or ZOS needs to give us an option to buy the dyes outright. They also need to work on costumes dying better as OP said. Finally, give us an intensity/opacity slider when dying so we can control just how much a dye impacts costumes and armor.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert Could this thread be forwarded to the art team?

that's what I thought. In this case I don't see how the devs/anyone thinks the crown store dyes are worth it/"a good excuse to make non-crown dyes look bad" just because of the fact that the stamps are restrictive (can't pair holiday dyes with normal dyes, isn't a permanent unlock).

I would only buy crown dyes if they were permanent unlocks that were added to the dye table interface. Dye stamps seem just so mediocre compared to even paying one month for Plus so that the player can have dye freedom - essentially a stamp that can be decided over one month before Plus expires

MornaBaine

I would buy permanent unlock dyes. I will never buy a single use dye.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

One thing that bothers me about the costume dye it not having the ability to dye all of a certain costume.

Belegnole

MarbleQuiche wrote: »

I wonder how SWTOR is doing. That is, after all, the revenue model they're copying.

I've not bought this because the last one was a disaster with dyes. I lost interest in housing because it's a grind and useless. I don't have any characters to level. I've got nothing to spend money on. What's crafting actually good for?

Is there a point to ESO+?

Hello ZOS, don't you want my money? I'm probably a whale, but you're somehow managing to flip me off to the point I don't care about subscribing or buying anything.

Still really curious about SWTOR. Did I somehow miss how successful it actually is?

SWTOR is hemorrhaging players. I left a couple of months ago due to the changes in gear. Particularly the grind that has been introduced.

Epona222

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

Hey guys,
We've had to remove a few posts from this thread for getting offensive. Let's keep on topic to the thread discussion on dyes.

I find it offensive that with costumes offered on the crown store for IRL money it is hit and miss until after you buy them whether they can be dyed in the colours you want or not.

Recremen

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

One thing that bothers me about the costume dye it not having the ability to dye all of a certain costume.

Yeah the Vast Undeyable Areas is gonna be like its own whole section when I do the meta aesthetics post.

Recremen

And of course the trend with these costumes has me even more worried for when they release the highest-tier Dunmer clothing. Will that dye well? Poorly? Will we ever get dev feedback/have these costumes fixed? The world may never know.

RANKK7

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would buy permanent unlock dyes. I will never buy a single use dye.

This.

notimetocare

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would buy permanent unlock dyes. I will never buy a single use dye.

Permanent unlocks are free for challenging feats

Store dyes are a joke tho

LadyDestiny

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

This isn't about the dyes, its the costumes texture overlay thats broken. The Holiday in Balmora costume is the same.

When ZOS made costumes dyeable, they did say they were already then having problems dying costumes in some cases, and not all costumes will dye properly.

Was really mad when I bought that holiday costume and the top still looked like rough gunny sack material with every color. 700 crowns blown....:(

LadyDestiny

I saw pictures of peoples characters wearing these costumes and the holiday costume on pc. The dyes were bright and vibrant. What the heck is going on with xbox and dyes? Would like to see people post pics from pc, ps4 and xbox to see the comparison. Xbox looks like ****.