What on earth are you doing to the dye system??

Recremen

The "Buoyant Gentility" Ensemble has so much potential as a costume but it's pretty much completely squandered by whatever nonsense direction the dye system is being taken in. To illustrate the problem I have a host of screenshots using what are normally the most luxurious dyes available. The blackest black, reddest red, greenest green, most orangey orange, etc.

Legate Black, Ruby Throne Red, Ophidian Jade, Viridian Venom, Voidsteel Violet



Motif Master Brown, Sigil Orange, Covenant Blue, Colossus Brass, Vehk's Mystic Blue



Can you see the problem here?? They're completely faded out rubbish!!! Where in the undulating hyperspheres of space-hell did someone come up with the idea that a costume should take a dye and just say "nah you look like this now"?? If I WANTED a different red why wouldn't I have just, you know, used one of the other dozens of reds I have available? There are alREADY faded reds if I were going for that!!

Now I'm not saying every costume has to take dyes exactly like this gorgeous thing.



Obviously different costumes will have different materials, more/less shine to them, some faded patches, etc. etc. But what we have with the "Buoyant Gentility" Ensemble, and apparently by extension the "Holiday in Balmora" getup, are crimes against fashion. This is a shame because the costumes themselves are SO. GOOD. Why ruin them with awful dyeing capacity? Why make everything 5000% more faded?? It doesn't make any sense! PLEASE give these outfits a once-over in terms of how they dye, their aesthetic potential is being entirely strangled over here. And please also don't... do that again?? Let dyes behave more consistently, I'm begging you.

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Korah_Eaglecry

If I was truely cynical Id say theyre intentionally making dying in game for free a terrible experience. Where everything is dull or just rather bland. This way those dyes in the store look more attractive. I would not be surprised if the dyes in the store look much better on these outfits.

Bonzodog01

This isn't about the dyes, its the costumes texture overlay thats broken. The Holiday in Balmora costume is the same.

When ZOS made costumes dyeable, they did say they were already then having problems dying costumes in some cases, and not all costumes will dye properly.

s7732425ub17_ESO

You can't expect a super rare color to always give the results you want. Sometimes a common color actually looks better. It's unfortunate that this happened on a crown store item.

bellatrixed

Yep, I had been looking forward to that dress since I first saw it on NPCs in Vvardenfell, but I didn't buy it or any of the other recent costumes because of the dying issues. It sucks.

Beardimus

That second pic is highly disturbing!

Magdalina

It's already the case for plenty of existing armor styles in the game. It's a texture thing. Personally I don't mind it much, seems kind of realistic that different materials dye differently. Admittedly I'm generally not much for crown store costumes.

It appears that some of the new dyes introduced in crown store are vibrant enough to override the texture limitation though. Which might just be a consequence of newer dyes being better implemented because new rather than ZOS' evil plan to make moar money - but I'm sure they don't mind the extra income from those regardless and probably aren't in any hurry to change how existing in-game dyes work with different textures.

Recremen

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

This isn't about the dyes, its the costumes texture overlay thats broken. The Holiday in Balmora costume is the same.

When ZOS made costumes dyeable, they did say they were already then having problems dying costumes in some cases, and not all costumes will dye properly.

The dye system isn't just in regards to the dyes themselves, but also all the things that you can put the dyes on. As such, coming out with new costumes, armor, etc. that don't dye well is going in a bad direction for the whole dye system. Personally, I consider this a relatively huge priority to fix as far as art assets go. This stuff is affecting my play quality on a daily basis. I'm not playing some demure, reserved dullard, I am playing an extravagantly vivacious ***. These outfits would work great for that except for the fact that I have more color options on the dang Nordic Bather's Towel.

Slurg

Magdalina wrote: »

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It appears that some of the new dyes introduced in crown store are vibrant enough to override the texture limitation though. Which might just be a consequence of newer dyes being better implemented because new rather than ZOS' evil plan to make moar money - but I'm sure they don't mind the extra income from those regardless and probably aren't in any hurry to change how existing in-game dyes work with different textures.

I've been out shopping and noticed a lot of people with the limited crown store dyes on their costumes lately. It really stands out when you can't get those same costumes to look nearly as bright using comparable colors at your local dye station.

Reminds me of those old commercials I used to see about buying a certain laundry product to get my whites whiter and my colors brighter. But here it's crown store exclusive dye packs.

Loralai_907

If costumes do not dye well outside of purchased dye stamps, I guess I will purchase less costumes. Also, if costumes are going to start not dying well without a dye stamp, that would be one less reason to have ESO+ in my opinion.

nimander99

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If I was truely cynical Id say theyre intentionally making dying in game for free a terrible experience. Where everything is dull or just rather bland. This way those dyes in the store look more attractive. I would not be surprised if the dyes in the store look much better on these outfits.

Nothing would ever drive to buy dyes from the store unless they were permanent. The dye packs they have now are possibly the dumbest idea a developer has ever executed in an in game store... Whether they look better or not... Just stupid.

Betheny

If they're trying to drive us to buy dye packs...not going to happen. If costumes start needing dye packs I'll just stop buying costumes.

It's getting stupid ZOS - I'd like to see variety in my dye colours - not have them all look almost the same shade of grey/brown.

ZOS_CoriJ

Hey guys,
We've had to remove a few posts from this thread for getting offensive. Let's keep on topic to the thread discussion on dyes.

Korah_Eaglecry

nimander99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If I was truely cynical Id say theyre intentionally making dying in game for free a terrible experience. Where everything is dull or just rather bland. This way those dyes in the store look more attractive. I would not be surprised if the dyes in the store look much better on these outfits.

Nothing would ever drive to buy dyes from the store unless they were permanent. The dye packs they have now are possibly the dumbest idea a developer has ever executed in an in game store... Whether they look better or not... Just stupid.

Yet they are being purchased as we see time and time again new options. They wouldnt reinvest resources if it wasnt doing the trick.

I personally havent seen or at least noticed anyone with these dyes. But at the same time Im not looking for it and my experience in game is only anecdotal. So is yours and your personal opinion, and thats really all it is, doesnt mean these dyes arent selling.

nine9six

lol

max_only

Maybe it's their culture? Dunmer are dull and subdued colors, everything covered in ash, (constantly depressed from their inferiority complex ). Where as imperials are bold and bright, parading around to get attention. Some cultural or regional reasons could be behind the style choice.

Betheny

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

Maybe then they'll start giving us decent costumes.

Glamdring

Same with the morag tong costume, dyes look really blend and washed out and i usually use Legate Black that is the best black in game, but on this costume it looks rubbish

ecru

Not buying any more costumes until this is fixed. Been burned twice with these last few costumes and I'm not too happy about it.

The newest two costumes also need to be retroactively fixed to accept dyes like everything else.

Minyassa

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

Maybe then they'll start giving us decent costumes.

Or better yet, let crown store costume previews show up in the colors that your character's current costume, or a focus piece of equipment like the chest piece.

Incognitius

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

The_Smilemeister

gpreid81 wrote: »

offensive remove post never mind comments prat

@gpreid81

Someone's eyes have been dyed red.

Betheny

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.

Yeah I saw that, like I said if they expect us to start buying dye stamps to make the costumes look good, then I'll just stop buying the stupid costumes.

max_only

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

That's cheap Zos lol cmon

Ch4mpTW

lol bruh

Recremen

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

You mean it takes one particular color well from one particular dye, once, and only in the slots that the dye stamp makes that color. Doesn't do me any good if I want a blue, black, green, or even just a different shade of red. Dye stamps are a fresh NEW kind of hell that's been added to the equation, because while I'd totally buy those colors as permanent unlocks it's completely useless to me as a single-use consumable that only works on costumes. And I really do mean completely useless. I keep the same dyes on a costume for like, a single night.

Korah_Eaglecry

Incognitius wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

The costumes need to start coming with warnings - like "does not take dye well" - so we can avoid buying them.

But it can take dye well, it just sets you back 200 crowns.



Fire -> Gasoline

Actually those dyes are in game. All three colors can be unlocked. I believe thats Khenarthi Red, Jode Red and Obsidian Black.

Khenarthis Red can be unlocked with the Khenarthis Roost Pathfinder Achievement.
Jode Red can be unlocked with the Reapers March Master Explorer Achievement
Obsidian Black can be unlocked with the Expert Deconstructor Achievement.

Some of the dyes are okay...But far too many and even the most popular dyes unlocked in game look terrible on these new costumes.

xaraan

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

Hey guys,
We've had to remove a few posts from this thread for getting offensive. Let's keep on topic to the thread discussion on dyes.

Hmm, can we get two different types of "Zos Comments" note on threads. So we can see the difference between a thread that has real feedback from devs vs moderation comments?

Incognitius

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Actually those dyes are in game. All three colors can be unlocked. I believe thats Khenarthi Red, Jode Red and Obsidian Black.

Khenarthis Red can be unlocked with the Khenarthis Roost Pathfinder Achievement.
Jode Red can be unlocked with the Reapers March Master Explorer Achievement
Obsidian Black can be unlocked with the Expert Deconstructor Achievement.

Some of the dyes are okay...But far too many and even the most popular dyes unlocked in game look terrible on these new costumes.

Haha, no.

This red is called patriot's blood. And on most costume pieces it will look a bit too neon for my tastes, but it is the only red that shows as an actual red on this outfit. And I've tried...

This is Khenarthi's Red:


And this is Jode Red:


And gotto say not a fan of dye stamps. I had hoped that they would work as permanent dyes. So if you would try something else, and then remove that colour, the original dye stamp would come back. But alas,it's gone forever.

GlassHalfFull

I had the same problem with the "Holiday in Balmora" costume, most dyes look like faded rubbish or greyish.

I wish before we purchase costumes, on the crown store demo screen of costumes, there was a selector button/arrow to choose primary dye colors (red, blue, green) so we could see how the dyes affect them.

I hope this would be possible, what do others think?

Recremen

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

I had the same problem with the "Holiday in Balmora" costume, most dyes look like faded rubbish or greyish.

I wish before we purchase costumes, on the crown store demo screen of costumes, there was a selector button/arrow to choose primary dye colors (red, blue, green) so we could see how the dyes affect them.

I hope this would be possible, what do others think?

I like the idea of being able to preview dyes for a costume before getting the costume, but I vastly prefer just... making it so we can actually dye costumes well. There are so many that dye fabulously, I am completely thrown for a loop every time something goes wrong like this.